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Old 12-21-2016, 11:54 AM   #16
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If you only take LA County and NYC away from Clinton, Trump wins the popular vote by 500,000 votes.
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Old 12-21-2016, 12:00 PM   #17
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It would seem "easier" for the Democrats to select someone as a candidate who had a "dog's chance in Hell" winning the final race ... without playing a "racist" or "misogynist" card in order to intimidate voters into supporting the candidate out of fear of being labeled an offensive name.

In other words .. someone with some sort of qualifications as an executive and/or manager of people in a crisis environment who was interested in focusing on ALL the citizens of the United States as opposed to a narrow group of contributors and ass-kissers.... and who isn't interested in selling their influence in the U.S. Government.

Driving a sub, removing (without replacing) insulation in public housing, and stuffing one's charitable slush fund are not the kinds of qualifications suitable for the job.
So are you sayin that you trust shrilLIARy as much as a Mexican around a fireworks factory ?
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Old 12-21-2016, 12:07 PM   #18
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Bambino -

Great Post...... After looking up the final results, it turns out that Manhattan
voted for Clinton over Trump by about 8 to 1...(!!!!).

Usually a candidate carries his/her home town, but not in this election.

The rest of New York City boroughs and Los Angeles County voted for Clinton
by about 3 to 1.

So your thesis appears CORRECT..

And the rest
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Old 12-21-2016, 02:04 PM   #19
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So are you sayin that you trust shrilLIARy as much as a Mexican around a fireworks factory ?
It would be dangerous for her to be around a fireworks factory ...

... the sniper fire might set the place off!
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Old 12-21-2016, 06:21 PM   #20
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It would be dangerous for her to be around a fireworks factory ...

... the sniper fire might set the place off!
Like that one recently in Mexico City ! Bet they weren't singing " La Cucaracha " after that one !!!!
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Old 12-21-2016, 06:54 PM   #21
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No. "We" just read it differently.
Please tell me the specific words in the constitution that force an elector to vote with the popular vote in their state. Just quote them right here. Should be easy since I've already provided the relevant text.
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Old 12-21-2016, 10:54 PM   #22
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Quit yalls pissing and moaning. You fuking lost!!! Now grow the fuk up!!! From the words of yalls soon to be Dear ex-leader. "Go out and win an Election"

Do you dumb asses actually think any Senator or Congressperson would vote to have their State lose Electoral Votes?? If so, god I feel sorry for you!!!

Also do you think that 38 States would ratify this??? NO FUKING WAY!!!
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Old 12-22-2016, 12:36 AM   #23
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Please tell me the specific words in the constitution that force an elector to vote with the popular vote in their state. Just quote them right here. Should be easy since I've already provided the relevant text.
If I remember correctly, it's the states that set that requirement. The Constitution directs the states to regulate how electors are chosen. Most states require electors to vote for the winner of the state.
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Old 12-22-2016, 03:31 AM   #24
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Please tell me the specific words in the constitution that force an elector to vote with the popular vote in their state. Just quote them right here. Should be easy since I've already provided the relevant text.
Typical.

Post a quote of the provision in the U.S. Constitution in which it states that Electors can vote for whomever they wish to vote.

Before you started crapping up the threads in here there was a lengthy discussion about that topic with references to case law opinions of the SCOTUS. You're late with your bullshit, again.

Where is it in the U.S. Constitution that it says women can have an abortion if they want one?
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Old 12-22-2016, 01:57 PM   #25
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If I remember correctly, it's the states that set that requirement. The Constitution directs the states to regulate how electors are chosen. Most states require electors to vote for the winner of the state.
You are correct.

When the Constitution was written, it was the electors who decided who the President was going to be, so of course they could vote for whoever they wanted.

Each state individually decided to hold a popular vote and to compel electoral voters to vote according to the results.

It's the states, not the Constitution, that give the popular vote any relevance. The Constitution is still written to reflect the original system.

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Post a quote of the provision in the U.S. Constitution in which it states that Electors can vote for whomever they wish to vote.
I DID
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Old 12-23-2016, 08:30 AM   #26
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Bambino -

Great Post...... After looking up the final results, it turns out that Manhattan
voted for Clinton over Trump by about 8 to 1...(!!!!).

Usually a candidate carries his/her home town, but not in this election.

The rest of New York City boroughs and Los Angeles County voted for Clinton
by about 3 to 1.

So your thesis appears CORRECT..

And the rest

Trump is from Queens and Hillary is from Chicago.
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Old 12-23-2016, 08:33 AM   #27
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Please tell me the specific words in the constitution that force an elector to vote with the popular vote in their state. Just quote them right here. Should be easy since I've already provided the relevant text.
It's like a number of laws. One document sets up the basic rule (each state decides how they will choose electors) and each determines how they will do that.
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Old 12-23-2016, 09:36 AM   #28
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You are correct.
You'd been better off to stop right there.

Do you want to go back to the "original system"?

You can't "cherry pick" the parts you want to keep, you know!
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Old 12-26-2016, 09:25 AM   #29
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I don't know, I can see the appeal of the old system. 2 degrees of separation between the general public and the President seems like a pretty decent idea, sometimes.
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Old 12-26-2016, 10:15 AM   #30
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"The Old System":

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"As specified by the Constitution, the President was chosen by the Electoral College. In 1788, the method for selecting electors was decided by each state legislature—by public vote in some states and by legislative selection in others. Each state had as many electors as senators and representatives. The election was administered only in ten of the states because Rhode Island and North Carolina had yet to ratify the Constitution and a quarreling New York failed to choose electors in time. Each elector was given two votes to cast for President. Washington received the support of every one of the electors, each of whom cast one of the two ballots for him. John Adams, who received thirty-four votes, was the runner-up and was thus named vice president." (Source)
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