I have a question for Shitstain

[Munchmasterman]

Nice try, Duh!bert.

The national inflation rate is hardly unrestricted. But it does exist so it affects most things. Especially relatively hi-tech, low volume, specialty equipment.

But that answer doesn’t fit the point (like the one on top of your head) that you misrepresent almost as well as jdouche does his.


You pretend the 1980 F-15 is the same as the current production model. The one which now carries 8 and will soon be capable of carrying 16 AIM-120 AMRAAMs


Hopefully you can see where this is going.


16 1980 F-15s armed with AIM-7 sparrows and AIM-9s flying along.

They turn on their radars to see what's going on.

They “see” a single aircraft way beyond the effective range of their AIM-7s that is heading away from them at 1000+ MPH.

They “see” 16 incoming missiles that suddenly turn on active radar.


They turn on their jammers but that don’t fool the slammers!


They don’t “see” the missiles switch to “Home on Jammer” mode.


With the high gee forces they are experiencing to evade the incoming missiles, they won’t see each other dropping out of the sky


16 1980 F-15s eat a Slammer.


We can change this scenario any way you want.


The fact remains that Sparrow’s best range is 31 miles with the aircraft’s radar illuminating the target.


The AIM-120’s best is close to 100 miles.
And oh, it’s a “fire and forget” weapon.


Some might say 1 taking out 16 is enough to justify the price increase. But the fire control computers, increased engine efficiency, increased speed, increased range, etc., etc.,


All that costs money.


And money means more to you than the lives of our pilots and the fate of our nation.

Sure would be nice to see something at least "tepid" from you.

Originally Posted by dilbert firestorm

Defense budget as it is currently now is the result of unrestricted inflation and poor procurement policies.

an F-15 that cost 20 million in 1980 now cost 80 million.

A Nimitz carrier cost 4.5 billion in 1980; 8.5 billion in 2012;
Get your facts right, Duh-ouche-bag. The final Nimitz class was finished in 2009 for 6.2 billion.
A Ford carrier costs 10 billion.

there was an article recently that raised concern about the defense spending at these levels.

A fighter aircraft in 2040 would be so expensive, the services could afford only one and would have to share air time on its use, some thing like 2 days in europe, 2 days in asia, etc...

Oh, I get it. You made a funny!!!

[IIFFOFRDB]

Originally Posted by Munchmasterman

Nice try, Duh!bert.

The national inflation rate is hardly unrestricted. But it does exist so it affects most things. Especially relatively hi-tech, low volume, specialty equipment.

But that answer doesn’t fit the point (like the one on top of your head) that you misrepresent almost as well as jdouche does his.


You pretend the 1980 F-15 is the same as the current production model. The one which now carries 8 and will soon be capable of carrying 16 AIM-120 AMRAAMs


Hopefully you can see where this is going.


16 1980 F-15s armed with AIM-7 sparrows and AIM-9s flying along.

They turn on their radars to see what's going on.

They “see” a single aircraft way beyond the effective range of their AIM-7s that is heading away from them at 1000+ MPH.

They “see” 16 incoming missiles that suddenly turn on active radar.


They turn on their jammers but that don’t fool the slammers!


They don’t “see” the missiles switch to “Home on Jammer” mode.


With the high gee forces they are experiencing to evade the incoming missiles, they won’t see each other dropping out of the sky


16 1980 F-15s eat a Slammer.


We can change this scenario any way you want.


The fact remains that Sparrow’s best range is 31 miles with the aircraft’s radar illuminating the target.


The AIM-120’s best is close to 100 miles.
And oh, it’s a “fire and forget” weapon.


Some might say 1 taking out 16 is enough to justify the price increase. But the fire control computers, increased engine efficiency, increased speed, increased range, etc., etc.,


All that costs money.


And money means more to you than the lives of our pilots and the fate of our nation.

Sure would be nice to see something at least "tepid" from you.



Oh, I get it. You made a funny!!!

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[JD Barleycorn]

I see that Munchkin's ignorace is on full display the last 24 hours. Still haven't owned up to that misquote about the amount of the defense budget I see.

Does anyone else think that faggoty blue font is annoying? Just another look inside that shriveled up thing he calls a soul.

Munchkin is getting to be a lot like WTF but with more words.

[Yssup Rider]

Typical JDrunk deflection.

Dishonest and intellectually bankrupt.

[dilbert firestorm]

Originally Posted by dilbert firestorm

Defense budget as it is currently now is the result of unrestricted inflation and poor procurement policies.

an F-15 that cost 20 million in 1980 now cost 80 million.

A Nimitz carrier cost 4.5 billion in 1980; 8.5 billion in 2012;
A Ford carrier costs 10 billion.

Originally Posted by Munchmasterman

Get your facts right, Duh-ouche-bag. The final Nimitz class was finished in 2009 for 6.2 billion.

source was from wikipedia which got it from other sources. it stated that 2012 figure.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nimitz...rcraft_carrier

Originally Posted by dilbert firestorm

there was an article recently that raised concern about the defense spending at these levels.

A fighter aircraft in 2040 would be so expensive, the services could afford only one and would have to share air time on its use, some thing like 2 days in europe, 2 days in asia, etc...

Originally Posted by Munchmasterman

Nice try, Duh!bert.

The national inflation rate is hardly unrestricted. But it does exist so it affects most things. Especially relatively hi-tech, low volume, specialty equipment.

But that answer doesn’t fit the point (like the one on top of your head) that you misrepresent almost as well as jdouche does his.

...[snip]...

Originally Posted by Munchmasterman

Sure would be nice to see something at least "tepid" from you.


Oh, I get it. You made a funny!!!

that came from the article. I'll see if I can find it.

[dilbert firestorm]

http://www.realcleardefense.com/arti...et_110972.html

this is talks about problems with the defense budget. it should be smaller but isn't.

[dilbert firestorm]

ok munchie.. this is for you.

http://www.popularmechanics.com/mili...oing-up-up-up/

At one point does this continuous shrinking of U.S. air power stop? In 1984, former Undersecretary of the Army Norman Augustine wrote, "In the year 2054, the entire defense budget will purchase just one aircraft. This aircraft will have to be shared by the Air Force and Navy 3-1/2 days each per week except for leap year, when it will be made available to the Marines for the extra day." Today, Augustine might amend his law to mandate this single plane spend two days in Europe, two days in Asia, and three days in the Middle East.

[JD Barleycorn]

I can see a future where the entire US air fleet is destroyed in a single engagement. That's right, all three planes by a larger number of inferior planes. Don't worry though, I see the former Confederate Air Force (now called the Commemorative Air Force) flies in to save the day with World War II fighters.

Speaking of which, did you know that the final dogfight scene in Independence Day had another ending. Instead of Randy Quaid (crazy as a bag of weasels) flying in with a F-18, he shows up with his old crop duster carrying a single air to air missile.