Another Flip Flop by Trump- he decides not to pull out of NAFTA

[LexusLover]

Originally Posted by Luke_Wyatt

LexusLover let's for once have an intelligent discussion-

A good starting point is to review and study NAFTA ...

https://www.nafta-sec-alena.org/Home...rade-Agreement

.. the review the Rules, Code, and Forms associated with NAFTA.

Not the hype and "justification" or folklore.

[LexusLover]

Originally Posted by WTF

Probably just like he was going to get Mexico to pay for the wall he is just a big f****** fat f****** liar. kind of like you

You should stay in you room with the rest of the kids.

[DSK]

Originally Posted by Luke_Wyatt

LexusLover let's for once have an intelligent discussion- do you think Trump's original idea of pulling out of NAFTA was a wise move?

I think he was just bargaining - apparently Mexico buys a lot of natural gas from us, and milk!!

[DSK]

Originally Posted by WTF

If it is so bad like Trump said...why not get rid of it like he said he would do? Why flip flop?

Probably just like he was going to get Mexico to pay for the wall he is just a big f****** fat f****** liar. kind of like you

It is a transactional type of bargaining, not a moral position.

We don't always have the high moral ground in the USA, a once great nation until we let the [prohibited word]s run wild.

[Muy Largo]

Yes, there have been some notable flip-flops for our President. To name some major ones -- NAFTA, NATO, China as a currency manipulator. It's a good thing that Trump can change his mind, but what is more worrisome is that he seemed to express his previously held positions with such utter confidence. Now he has admitted that he really didn't know that much about NAFTA during the campaign. Yet he repeated his confidently stated attacks on NAFTA over and over as he'd stir up his political rallies. He did the same thing with China, and with NATO, with his Mexicans-will-pay-for- the-wall idea. What does this type of behavior reveal about this man?

[DSK]

Originally Posted by Muy Largo

Yes, there have been some notable flip-flops for our President. To name some major ones -- NAFTA, NATO, China as a currency manipulator. It's a good thing that Trump can change his mind, but what is more worrisome is that he seemed to express his previously held positions with such utter confidence. Now he has admitted that he really didn't know that much about NAFTA during the campaign. Yet he repeated his confidently stated attacks on NAFTA over and over as he'd stir up his political rallies. He did the same thing with China, and with NATO, with his Mexicans-will-pay-for- the-wall idea. What does this type of behavior reveal about this man?

He is a good negotiator who puts conservatives on the SCOTUS, and he is trying to lower taxes and stick it to the liberals!!

[LexusLover]

Originally Posted by Muy Largo

Now he has admitted that he really didn't know that much about NAFTA during the campaign.

He did? I just SAW him talking yesterday and he repeated his disdain for NAFTA again, just like he said during the campaign.

You're not "interpreting" what he says by reading his mind, ...

.... are you?

[Jackie S]

What the Liberal/Socialist/Progressive Democrats on this Forum do not seem to understand is the same thing all of the other Liberal/Socialist/Progressive/Democrats through out the Country don't understand.

We don't care, because HILLARY CLINTON IS NOT PESIDENT!

[Muy Largo]

The proof regarding Trump's "new" position is in his actions, not his rhetoric. Before the election he ridiculed NAFTA relentlessly. Once elected he was made to understand that there are certain demographics who have benefitted from NAFTA. He is now listening to Ross and Perdue. Like I wrote earlier, before the election he confidently stood before thousands of people on numerous occasions and promised to pull us out of NAFTA. It was part of his "anti-establishment" pitch to voters. It was part of his "drain the swamp" message. But like so much of what he said as a campaigner it was hollow, uninformed and baseless advertising. He seemed to be so confident about his position on NAFTA, but in actuality he was naïve about the nuts and bolts of the matter.

[LexusLover]

Originally Posted by Muy Largo

The proof regarding Trump's "new" position is in his actions, not his rhetoric.

So his "rhetoric" during the campaign was "his position," but his "rhetoric" today is not?

I'm sorry for you (not the country) that HillariousNoMore didn't win!

If I recall, HillariousNoMore was "for it" before she was against it, and then "for it" again! But that was just her "rhetoric"!!! Little "action," but a lot of bullshit! Until the election results were in ... then it was a full bottle of booze into the widescreen!

I'll apply your "rhetoric" vs. "actions" to evaluating the "legacy" of YOUR LAST PRESIDENT ... Obaminable. BTW: Historians will also!

[Muy Largo]

I refer to rhetoric as persuasive speaking. At least in this example. Regarding the timeframe and position versus whatever else you want to compare them to -- Jeeez, when someone presents opinions and declarations as Trump did during the campaign you start thinking that those are his positions. He presented no alternative to his rhetoric on NAFTA, NATO, China currency, and that wall weirdness, and so it appeared that those were his positions. Or, we can consider that Trump treats language with a disregard for honesty, for factualness. You know, like the American Petroleum Institute's recent tv ad that states "Oil is clean." Is that their actual position, their genuine belief? Or is it baseless rhetoric aimed at you and me?

[LexusLover]

Originally Posted by Muy Largo

I refer to rhetoric as persuasive speaking.

His current "speaking" is consistent with his campaign "rhetoric"!

I saw the video of a couple of days ago while his lips moved when I heard the words while listening to the sound at the same time!

To paraphrase he was not dismissing the Canadians or the Mexicans summarily (to which you would have also no doubt raised HELL!), but was "open minded" enough to hear what they had to say to him regarding their respective positions as it related to his objections to the existing agreement.

That makes political and diplomatic sense to me, and it clearly shows a willingness on his part to get along with our neighbors.

But, of course, if you are "anti-Trump" PERIOD! It doesn't!

[Muy Largo]

I re-read the progression of our exchange on this thread, and read your final post, the one just before this one.

So -- Now is when I must stop trying to reason with you.

[LexusLover]

Originally Posted by Muy Largo

So -- Now is when I must stop trying to reason with you.

You were "reasoning" with me ....

.... sounded more like a self-presumed attitude that you have superior intellect giving a lecture....you know, internet bullshit.

Have you read NAFTA and the rules?

HillariousNoMore did ... and announced ..

"November 15, 2007 - 20:15 ET ... HILLARY CLINTON (D) New York: ..... "I believe the best way to deal with this is cancel NAFTA and renegotiate ..." She said it was a "mistake"!

[IIFFOFRDB]

A video for the concern trolls...

President Trump's First 100 Days