Ukrainian to US prosecutors: Why don't you want our evidence on Democrats?

[bb1961]

Originally Posted by HoeHummer

Theys can post date Trumps excuses, they can post dates their conspiracies, so it seems.

Says the POSTER from your other handle ASSWIPE!!

[WTF]

Originally Posted by bb1961

Says the POSTER from your other handle ASSWIPE!!

You do understand that these are all fake handles? None are real names.

So it would be wise to research what was posted, not what handle posted it. If it is true it is true no matter the handle.

[BlisswithKriss]

Originally Posted by dilbert firestorm

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...m16X2anWtmKq1A


hmm very interesting.. a report from john soloman in an april 2019 article.

Ukrainian law enforcement officials believe they have evidence of wrongdoing by American Democrats and their allies in Kiev, ranging from 2016 election interference to obstructing criminal probes. But, they say, they've been thwarted in trying to get the Trump Justice Department to act.

Kostiantyn Kulyk, deputy head of the Prosecutor General's International Legal Cooperation Department, told me he and other senior law enforcement officials tried unsuccessfully since last year to get visas from the U.S. Embassy in Kiev to deliver their evidence to Washington.

"We were supposed to share this information during a working trip to the United States," Kulyk told me in a wide-ranging interview. "However, the [U.S.] ambassador blocked us from obtaining a visa. She didn't explicitly deny our visa, but also didn't give it to us."
One focus of Ukrainian investigators, Kulyk said, has been money spirited unlawfully out of Ukraine and moved to the United States by businessmen friendly to the prior, pro-Russia regime of Viktor Yanukovych.

Ukrainian businessmen "authorized payments for lobbying efforts directed at the U.S. government," he told me. "In addition, these payments were made from funds that were acquired during the money-laundering operation. We have information that a U.S. company was involved in these payments." That company is tied to one or more prominent Democrats, Ukrainian officials insist.

In another instance, he said, Ukrainian authorities gathered evidence that money paid to an American Democrat allegedly was hidden by Ukraine's National Anti-Corruption Bureau (NABU) during the 2016 election under pressure from U.S. officials. "In the course of this investigation, we found that there was a situation during which influence was exerted on the NABU, so that the name of [the American] would not be mentioned," he said.

Ukraine is infamous for corruption and disinformation operations; its police agencies fight over what is considered evidence of wrongdoing. Kulyk and his bosses even have political fights over who should and shouldn't be prosecuted. Consequently, allegations emanating from Kiev usually are taken with a grain a salt.

But many of the allegations shared with me by more than a half-dozen senior Ukrainian officials are supported by evidence that emerged in recent U.S. court filings and intelligence reports. The Ukrainians told me their evidence includes:

• Sworn statements from two Ukrainian officials admitting that their agency tried to influence the 2016 U.S. presidential election in favor of Hillary Clinton. The effort included leaking an alleged ledger showing payments to then-Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort;
• Contacts between Democratic figures in Washington and Ukrainian officials that involved passing along dirt on Donald Trump;
• Financial records showing a Ukrainian natural gas company routed more than $3 million to American accounts tied to Hunter Biden, younger son of then-Vice President Joe Biden, who managed U.S.-Ukraine relations for the Obama administration. Biden's son served on the board of a Ukrainian natural gas company, Burisma Holdings;
• Records that Vice President Biden pressured Ukrainian officials in March 2016 to fire the prosecutor who oversaw an investigation of Burisma Holdings and who planned to interview Hunter Biden about the financial transfers;
• Correspondence showing members of the State Department and U.S. Embassy in Kiev interfered or applied pressure in criminal cases on Ukrainian soil;
• Disbursements of as much as $7 billion in Ukrainian funds that prosecutors believe may have been misappropriated or taken out of the country, including to the United States.

Ukrainian officials say they don't want to hand the evidence to FBI agents working in Ukraine because they believe the bureau has a close relationship with the NABU and the U.S. Embassy. "It is no secret in Ukrainian political circles that the NABU was created with American help and tried to exert influence during the U.S. presidential election," Kulyk told me.

Kulyk's boss, Prosecutor General Yuriy Lutsenko, told me he has enough evidence - particularly involving Biden, his family and money spirited out of Ukraine - to warrant a meeting with U.S. Attorney General William Barr. "I'm looking forward to meeting with the attorney general of the United States in order to start and facilitate our joint investigation regarding the appropriation of another $7 billion in U.S. dollars with Ukrainian legal origin," Lutsenko said.

I wrote last week that Biden, in 2016, pressured Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko to fire Ukraine's top prosecutor, Viktor Shokin, who was investigating Burisma.

Kulyk confirmed Ukraine is investigating that alleged incident: "We have evidence and witnesses stating that Joe Biden applied pressure on Ukrainian law enforcement to stop the investigation."
Ukrainians officials have gone public in recent days with their frustrations after months of trying to deliver the evidence quietly to the Trump Department of Justice (DOJ) fizzled. Unable to secure visas from the U.S. Embassy, some Ukrainian law enforcement officials sought backdoor channels, Kulyk said.

One of those avenues involved reaching out last fall to a former federal prosecutor from the George W. Bush years, according to interviews. He delivered a written summary of some of the Ukrainian allegations to the U.S. attorney's office in Manhattan, along with an offer to connect U.S. investigators with individuals purporting to have the evidence. There was no response or follow-up, according to multiple people directly familiar with the effort.

More recently, President Trump's private attorney Rudy Giuliani - former mayor and former U.S. attorney in New York City - learned about some of the allegations while, on behalf of the Trump legal team, he looked into Ukrainian involvement in the 2016 election.
Since then, Lutsenko and others have talked with other American lawyers about helping to file U.S. legal action to recover money they believe was wrongly taken from their country.

"It's like no one at DOJ is listening. There is some compelling evidence that should at least be looked at, evaluated, but the door seems shut at both State and Justice," said an American who has been contacted for help and briefed on the evidence.

State Department officials declined to address whether they denied or slow-walked visas for Ukrainian officials. "Visa records are confidential under U.S. law; therefore, we cannot discuss the details of individual visa cases," a department spokesperson said.
Ukraine's evidence, if true, would mark the first documented allegation of Democrats receiving assistance from a foreign power in their efforts to help Clinton win the 2016 election.

"It looks like there is some evidence emerging that there could have been a proxy war between Russia and Ukraine to secure their preferred American president during the 2016 race," said a former top intelligence official who now advises the Trump administration on intelligence policy.

There is public-source information, in Ukraine and in the United States, that gives credence to some of what Ukrainian prosecutors allege.

A court in Ukraine formally concluded that law enforcement officials there illegally tried to intervene in the 2016 U.S. election by leaking documents of Manafort's business dealings after he was named Trump's campaign chairman. And a Ukrainian parliamentarian released a purported tape recording of a top Ukrainian law enforcement official bragging that he was responsible for the leak and was trying to help Clinton win.

Lutsenko told Hill.TV in an interview aired last week that he has opened a criminal investigation into those allegations.

Nellie Ohr, wife of a senior Justice official and a researcher for the Fusion GPS opposition research firm, testified to Congress last year that some of Fusion GPS's research on Trump-Russia ties came from a Ukrainian parliamentarian. The Democratic Party and the Clinton campaign paid Fusion GPS to dig up dirt on Trump.
Although Ohr acknowledged the Ukrainian source, lawmakers did not press her to be more specific.

And Politico reported in 2017 on evidence of Ukraine's U.S. embassy helping the Clinton campaign to discredit Trump. "A Ukrainian-American operative who was consulting for the Democratic National Committee met with top officials in the Ukrainian Embassy in Washington in an effort to expose ties between Trump, top campaign aide Paul Manafort and Russia," the newspaper reported.

Separately, the conservative nonprofit Citizens United last month filed a lawsuit seeking to force the State Department to disclose all information it possesses about Hunter Biden and his business partners involved with Ukraine-based Burisma Holdings.
If Ukrainian prosecutors can augment their allegations with real evidence, there could be a true case of collusion worth investigating.

The only question is why the U.S. government so far hasn't taken interest - and whether Attorney General Barr will change that.

John Solomon is an award-winning investigative journalist whose work over the years has exposed U.S. and FBI intelligence failures before the Sept. 11 attacks, federal scientists' misuse of foster children and veterans in drug experiments, and numerous cases of political corruption. He serves as an investigative columnist and executive vice president for video at The Hill.

FAKE NEWS....just the usual plate of gobbledegook lies. But that’s what you Trump cult slaves concentrate on. There is or was never any evidence that Ukraine dabbled with the Dems on any topic in the 2016 election ...maybe you should stop drinking the Trump/Reich wing FoolAid. BTW as Putin hated Hillary is it any wonder that Putin wanted His protege Trump to be in the WH. He got what he wanted. Now look what we are stuck with.

[oeb11]

Originally Posted by eccieuser9500

These Republican congressional leaders are either really stupid, really ignorant (on his third attempt his excuse was he "did not get the memo"), or really desperate to hold on to their government jobs and lie inspite of the facts.

9500 means "Narrative Truth" instead of facts for the DPST's!!

[dilbert firestorm]

Originally Posted by BlisswithKriss

FAKE NEWS....just the usual plate of gobbledegook lies. But that’s what you Trump cult slaves concentrate on. There is or was never any evidence that Ukraine dabbled with the Dems on any topic in the 2016 election ...maybe you should stop drinking the Trump/Reich wing FoolAid. BTW as Putin hated Hillary is it any wonder that Putin wanted His protege Trump to be in the WH. He got what he wanted. Now look what we are stuck with.

prove it that John Solomon's article is fake news. he has sources to back it up.

[oeb11]

DPST "Truth" instead of facts will triumph with them every time.

[HedonistForever]

Originally Posted by WTF

You do understand that these are all fake handles? None are real names.

So it would be wise to research what was posted, not what handle posted it. If it is true it is true no matter the handle.

I have to agree with you on that just like it shouldn't matter whether one quotes the NYT or Breitbart. If what one reads is true, it doesn't matter who wrote it. The trick is not to take everything you read at face value no matter who publishes it because we know that built in bias exist in most publications but have some curiosity, some doubt about everything you read and get more than one source from different points of view and even that may not be enough to discern "the truth".


This will be on full view when the Judicary committee brings constitutional scholars to testify what the constitution says and does not say about impeachment and the laws that govern it. We already know that both sides of the argument will be put forth. Which will you believe? What is true and what isn't?


I accept that Trump asked a foreign government to investigate whether one of his political opponents may have been involved in corruption. Is that a crime and does it rise to the level of impeachment considering that Biden demanded that an official of a foreign government be fired if they wanted money. A quid pro quo. Is a quid pro quo always illegal? I think we have all discovered that is not always true. Just because others agreed that the prosecutor was corrupt, would we fire a government official because other world leaders "demanded" we should? Wouldn't we investigate if accusations were true and charge and prosecute such a person if it turned out to be true? What Biden should have said was "do us a favor and investigate this guy because we think he is corrupt and we will with hold this billion until you reach the conclusion of your investigation and we will decide if you have corruption under control". It could easily be implied that is exactly what Trump was asking for, an investigation, not a result that depended on whether you get money or not.

[andymarksman]

Originally Posted by Redhot1960

VIDEO 2 50

Just wish a simple clarification from you: Are you implying that Trump fucked up by arming the ethnocentrically oppressive central government in Kyiv with the Javelins against the people in the Donbass region who are fighting to have their legitimate grievances redressed by the central government?

[The_Waco_Kid]

Originally Posted by BlisswithKriss

FAKE NEWS....just the usual plate of gobbledegook lies. But that’s what you Trump cult slaves concentrate on. There is or was never any evidence that Ukraine dabbled with the Dems on any topic in the 2016 election ...maybe you should stop drinking the Trump/Reich wing FoolAid. BTW as Putin hated Hillary is it any wonder that Putin wanted His protege Trump to be in the WH. He got what he wanted. Now look what we are stuck with.

how interesting that all u America hating Brits live .. in America? like yer buddy Little Monster, you yabber about how great the UK is but you don't live there. can't you get a job there? perhaps you need real dental work that the UK can't provide with that wonderful national healthcare we keep hearing about?

[WTF]

Originally Posted by HedonistForever

I accept that Trump asked a foreign government to investigate whether one of his political opponents may have been involved in corruption. Is that a crime and does it rise to the level of impeachment considering that Biden demanded that an official of a foreign government be fired if they wanted money. A quid pro quo. Is a quid pro quo always illegal? I think we have all discovered that is not always true. Just because others agreed that the prosecutor was corrupt, would we fire a government official because other world leaders "demanded" we should? Wouldn't we investigate if accusations were true and charge and prosecute such a person if it turned out to be true? What Biden should have said was "do us a favor and investigate this guy because we think he is corrupt and we will with hold this billion until you reach the conclusion of your investigation and we will decide if you have corruption under control". It could easily be implied that is exactly what Trump was asking for, an investigation, not a result that depended on whether you get money or not.

Biden did it with the full support of our government and our allies to benefit the USA and our allies.

Trump did it to benefit his reelection. Had no support from Congress. It was exactly what Putin and Russia wanted.

I see a rather large difference. You may not.

Personally I wish Trump had admitted a fuck up and maybe gotten a censure. He choose a different route and forced Congress to act. Again you may disagree.

[The_Waco_Kid]

Originally Posted by WTF

Biden did it with the full support of our government and our allies to benefit the USA and our allies.

Trump did it to benefit his reelection. Had no support from Congress. It was exactly what Putin and Russia wanted.

I see a rather large difference. You may not.

Personally I wish Trump had admitted a fuck up and maybe gotten a censure. He choose a different route and forced Congress to act. Again you may disagree.

Biden did it to cover up corruption with the Obama Administration and our allies with the former Ukraine president and to save his bastard boy's cushy job and his million dollar kickbacks.


if you thinck Putin actually wanted Trump in office you are an idiot, while Putin certainly didn't want a globalist like Clinton in office he's in some ways worse off with an America First unpredictable wildcard like Trump who can't be controlled, by Putin or anyone else. there is no pee tape, there is no kompromat. in some ways Trump and Putin are alike, they are fierce nationalists who despise the globalists who want to destroy national sovereignty and replace it with a ruling elite. butt you probably thinck that's a good thing, right??


Trump is playing the Democrats like a fiddle and it's already backfiring on the Democrats. they will opt for censure to get them out of this and Trump will call them losers for it and slap whatever DemoIdiot gets the nomination over the head with it all the way to a second term


BAHHAHHAHHAAAAAA

[HoeHummer]

Originally Posted by The_Waco_Kid

Biden did it to cover up corruption with the Obama Administration and our allies with the former Ukraine president and to save his bastard boy's cushy job and his million dollar kickbacks.


if you thinck Putin actually wanted Trump in office you are an idiot, while Putin certainly didn't want a globalist like Clinton in office he's in some ways worse off with an America First unpredictable wildcard like Trump who can't be controlled, by Putin or anyone else. there is no pee tape, there is no kompromat. in some ways Trump and Putin are alike, they are fierce nationalists who despise the globalists who want to destroy national sovereignty and replace it with a ruling elite. butt you probably thinck that's a good thing, right??


Trump is playing the Democrats like a fiddle and it's already backfiring on the Democrats. they will opt for censure to get them out of this and Trump will call them losers for it and slap whatever DemoIdiot gets the nomination over the head with it all the way to a second term


BAHHAHHAHHAAAAAA

Last time I heard such drivel, Whackoff, it was coming out of your sister’s mouth while I was sharing a refreshing stein of Slippit Inn Cider. I don’t give a shits about your political parties, but I can safely say that Trump is more bowels rather than politicals movement, and yous are on the front ranks of the parade.

I don’t understand why America just doesn’t put Trump out of the rest of our miseries. Exorcize the fat fucks Already. It seems like the same US constitution that guarantees you your freedom is the same one that makes it possible for a fucking painted joker to take over the country. Just like the way you likes your own posts twice, Whackoff.

But that doesn’t excuse allegedlys educated internet’s personalities like yous from your responsibility to troll the world.

Yous are so soft, Whackoff, it made your mum questions her whole fucking life. The mad old broad even sued Bill Maher for comparing yous to the orangutan what fathered your piece of shit heads of state. Nothing like a mother’s loves, eh, Whackoff?

Now give your balls a flaps a tug.

[The_Waco_Kid]

Originally Posted by HoeHummer

Last time I heard such drivel, Whackoff, it was coming out of your sister’s mouth while I was sharing a refreshing stein of Slippit Inn Cider. I don’t give a shits about your political parties, but I can safely say that Trump is more bowels rather than politicals movement, and yous are on the front ranks of the parade.

I don’t understand why America just doesn’t put Trump out of the rest of our miseries. Exorcize the fat fucks Already. It seems like the same US constitution that guarantees you your freedom is the same one that makes it possible for a fucking painted joker to take over the country. Just like the way you likes your own posts twice, Whackoff.

But that doesn’t excuse allegedlys educated internet’s personalities like yous from your responsibility to troll the world.

Yous are so soft, Whackoff, it made your mum questions her whole fucking life. The mad old broad even sued Bill Maher for comparing yous to the orangutan what fathered your piece of shit heads of state. Nothing like a mother’s loves, eh, Whackoff?

Now give your balls a flaps a tug.

if you say so, Yssup Rider.

[rexdutchman]

and the rhetoric hypocrisy continues

[oeb11]

Thanks for nothing, YR