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Old 06-13-2021, 08:23 PM   #16
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I just hope we make it out with our dicks and our rights intact, and not as a bunch of tranny slaves.

We're going from "a chicken in every pot", to a tranny in every organization and calling that equity. God help us!
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Old 06-13-2021, 08:41 PM   #17
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Bibi needed to go.

Trump bought him four years he didn't deserve.

I don't know if I'm a big fan of what's coming for Israel, but fuck Bibi. He's a corrupt POS and needs to answer to the people.

Who'll monitor the space lasers now?

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-57462470

Netanyahu out as new Israeli government approved
Published53 minutes ago

Benjamin Netanyahu has lost his 12-year hold on power in Israel after its parliament voted in a new coalition government.

Right-wing nationalist Naftali Bennett has been sworn in as prime minister, leading a "government of change".

He will lead an unprecedented coalition of parties which was approved with a razor-thin majority of 60-59.

Mr Bennett will be prime minister until September 2023 as part of a power-sharing deal.

He will then hand power over to Yair Lapid, leader of the centrist Yesh Atid, for a further two years.

Mr Netanyahu - Israel's longest-serving leader who has dominated its political landscape for years - will remain head of the right-wing Likud party and become leader of the opposition.

Benjamin Netanyahu, Israel's unseated long-term leader
The rise of Naftali Bennett, Israel's new PM
During the debate in the Knesset (parliament), a defiant Mr Netanyahu promised: "We'll be back."

After the vote, Mr Netanyahu walked over to Mr Bennett and shook his hand.

However, representatives of the Palestinians have reacted dismissively to Israel's new government.

"This is an internal Israeli affair. Our position has always been clear, what we want is a Palestinian state on the 1967 borders with Jerusalem as its capital," a spokesman for Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas said.


"It is an occupation and a colonial entity, which we should resist by force to get our rights back," said a spokesman for Hamas, the Islamist group that controls Gaza.

US President Joe Biden has already sent his congratulations to Mr Bennett, saying he looks forward to working with him.

After the confidence vote was announced, Benjamin Netanyahu went and sat back in the prime minister's chair in the Knesset chamber.

He had to be ushered to the opposition benches instead.

It was a moment of political history - Mr Netanyahu literally unseated as Israel's longest serving leader.

He's not going anywhere, for now at least. He'll stay in that opposition chair and try to unpick, pull apart and otherwise "overthrow" - as he puts it - the coalition of the first new prime minister in 12 years.

This government is Israel's broadest ever - but that could also make it the most unstable. Naftali Bennett will have his work cut out just holding the parties together.

Why has this happened?

Mr Netanyahu served five terms, first from 1996 to 1999, then continuously from 2009 to 2021.

He called an election in April 2019 but failed to win enough support to form a new coalition government. Two more inconclusive elections followed.

After the third, he formed a government of national unity with then-opposition leader Benny Gantz, but the deal collapsed and Israel went back to the polls in March.

Likud emerged as the largest party, but after Mr Netanyahu was again unable to form a government, the task passed to Mr Lapid, whose party came second.

Opposition to Mr Netanyahu staying in power had grown, not just among the left and centre but also among right-wing parties that are ordinarily ideologically aligned to Likud, including Yamina.

Although Yamina came joint fifth in the election with only seven seats, its support was critical. After weeks of negotiations, Mr Lapid brought Yamina on board as part of a constellation of parties whose only common goal was to remove Mr Netanyahu from office.

The agreement involving eight factions with the 61 seats required for a majority was signed on 2 June, just half an hour before a deadline was due to expire, effectively sealing Mr Netanyahu's fate.

What will the new government be like?

In appearance, Mr Bennett's government will be unlike any which has preceded it in Israel's 73-year history.

The alliance contains parties which have vast ideological differences, and perhaps most significantly includes the first independent Arab party to be part of a potential ruling coalition, Raam. It is also expected to have a record number of nine female ministers.

The inclusion of Raam and left-wing non-Arab Israeli parties means there could be friction on issues such as Israeli policies towards Palestinians - Yamina and another right-wing party, New Hope, are staunch supporters of Jewish settlement in the Israeli-occupied West Bank, for instance.

There could also be difficulties over social policies - while some parties want to advance gay rights, such as recognising same-sex marriages, Raam, an Islamist party, is against this.

In addition, some parties want to relax religious restrictions more extensively than Yamina - a national-religious party - will likely allow.

Mr Bennett has indicated his government would focus on areas where agreement was possible, like economic issues or the coronavirus pandemic, while avoiding more contentious matters.

"Nobody will have to give up their ideology," he recently said, "but all will have to postpone the realisation of some of their dreams... We'll focus on what can be achieved, rather than arguing about what cannot."
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Old 06-13-2021, 08:43 PM   #18
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Bibi is out.

One by one, the crooks fall.

Again, I’m not sure how it’s going to work moving forward with a coalition of far right and far left, but this is an example of what happens when people just flat out hate a despot. They’ll do anything to get rid of him.

Am Israel chai!
60-59 proves your statement false!
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Old 06-13-2021, 09:09 PM   #19
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It's been argued that the parliamentary system incentivizes adversaries to compromise and work together for a common goal. Something that our two party system seems to have forgotten. I hope that the Israelis can actually start to work together to solve some of their issues now that the ideologue Benjamin Netanyahu is out of power.

I'm not saying Netanyahu was necessarily bad for Israel, quite the contrary, but he had simply pissed off too many of his own citizens to stay in power.
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Old 06-13-2021, 09:15 PM   #20
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It's been argued that the parliamentary system incentivizes adversaries to compromise and work together for a common goal. Something that our two party system seems to have forgotten. I hope that the Israelis can actually start to work together to solve some of their issues now that the ideologue Benjamin Netanyahu is out of power.

I'm not saying Netanyahu was necessarily bad for Israel, quite the contrary, but he had simply pissed off too many of his own citizens to stay in power.
Precisely.

Well said.
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Old 06-13-2021, 09:24 PM   #21
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60-59 proves your statement false!
Civics.
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Old 06-13-2021, 10:48 PM   #22
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Civics.
Now a pivot? lolling
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Old 06-14-2021, 12:18 AM   #23
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Are you trying to stir a (forbidden topic), in direct violation of instructions?

Maybe you have something cogent and constructive to contribute to the conversation.

Why do you care who’s PM of Israel? Do you know anybody who voted in that election? Was it stolen?

Quit playing games, WD
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Old 06-14-2021, 12:32 AM   #24
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A bit OT, but one of the most insightful articles you’ll ever read.

https://www.khouse.org/articles/1997/11/

I agree. that's very insightful. never thought about the czechslovakia angle.


land for peace didn't work in 1938, it won't work in israel case.
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Old 06-14-2021, 12:39 AM   #25
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Are you trying to stir a (forbidden topic), in direct violation of instructions?

Maybe you have something cogent and constructive to contribute to the conversation.

Why do you care who’s PM of Israel? Do you know anybody who voted in that election? Was it stolen?

Quit playing games, WD
I know current citizens in Israel. Thanks for asking.
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Old 06-14-2021, 08:38 AM   #26
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Time will tell whether the new PM will take a more liberal stance concerning the problems that face the only trueDemocracy in the Region.
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Old 06-14-2021, 08:42 AM   #27
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I know current citizens in Israel. Thanks for asking.
How did they vote? Curious to know if their countrymen were influenced by the ECCIE factor!

HAHAHAHAHSHAHSHSHSHSHAHAH
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I do wonder that the total idiots celebrating this realize that they are trading a conservative, Jewish politician for a much more right (can one say radical?) Jewish politician. Much more right.
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I do wonder that the total idiots celebrating this realize that they are trading a conservative, Jewish politician for a much more right (can one say radical?) Jewish politician. Much more right.
This scenario goes along the lines of our own 2020 election.

Many voters disliked President Trump to the extent that they were willing to elect a senile old piece of mediocre crap like Biden.
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Good Riddance!!! Fuck Israel, without American money they would get taken over in a day. I hope I live to see the day when the Palestinians kick their sorry asses and take their land back
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