A challenge to you Ukraine lovers

[berryberry]

Originally Posted by HDGristle

This is part of being the leaders of the free world, gentlemen. We do want things taken care of domestically as well.

Again, the question was to please explain why the hell we are using our tax dollars to fund the pensions of people in Ukraine. Do you support this and why?

I guess out of your response that was mainly off topic, you are saying that yes you support this because its part of being leaders of the free world.

Really?

Who the hell in their right mind thinks any country should fund pensions for people in other corrupt countries? We should not be the piggybank for the world

Fuck Ukraine and fuck their god damn pensions when we have far better uses for our American tax dollars in America.

This is why our country is so deep in debt - because of this irresponsible, needless spending.

This is why are country is going to shit - DC ignores real needs at home - whether it is East Palestine, vets, crime, etc, etc and wastes precious tax dollars on unnecessary bullshit

And stop with the crap about it comes out of this department's budget. That is pure obfuscation. NO - it comes out of the US taxpayers pocket, period

[bambino]

Originally Posted by HDGristle

State Department money, Bam. For foreign disaster relief. And a tragedy with a death toll over 33k. Tens of thousands injured, displaced, etc. The leaders may be adversaries, or pseudo allies, but the people aren't our enemy. We're still talking about people.

East Palestine has less than 5k residents. They're American. They deserve a lot more than they're getting right now, including from you. FEMA money is from a completely different bucket. Fully expecting Congress to authorize funds for additional relief.

State Dept money?????? Where the fuck did the State Dept get the money???? It’s tax payer money. Our entire government is funded by taxpayer money. Didn’t you learn that in Middle school Mr Gristle? Does any other country send us billions of dollars in aid? We’re bankrupt. Maybe other countries should send American citizens some money. We need it.

[HDGristle]

Millions of people, berry. Millions of people look at diplomatic and humanitarian spend as a good thing, especially to help support snd rebuild an ally. You clearly don't and would be content to be fully isolationist.

Stop obfuscating and gaslighting on how federal budgets and appropriations work. That absolutely matters.

https://www.crfb.org/papers/appropriations-101

You're misrepresenting what federal dollars are. Taxpayer's money is what stays in your pocket after you pay what's legally required. The federal government became the legal owner of those tax revenue funds and most certainly does not hold tax revenue in trust on behalf of the taxpayer nor does it provide that the taxpayer can dictate how it's spent.

It uses appropriations to fund discretionary spend through the federal budget. Which bucket we're in matters because it's certainly not a common pool.

If you're interested in going full Karen, please write to all members of the appropriations committee and tell them how to do their job. Then tell each department how "your" money needs to be spent. The tax revenue that is also paid by non-citizens who don't have your voting rights. But you're on equal footing when it comes to control over "other people's money"

[bambino]

Another Civics lesson

“Taxpayer's money is what stays in your pocket after you pay what's legally required.”

Show me in the Constitution that Federal Income tax is required, or legal. Back in the beginning of our Constitutional Republic, congressmen had to take a vote in their districts and go back to DC to vote according to We The People. But we’ve strayed far from the Constitution. Hopefully, we return to one. And soon. Before it’s too late.

[HDGristle]

246 years of evolution as part of this great social experiment.

We went from being an upstart colony fighting one of the greatest and largest empires in the world to being far and away strongest nation on Earth. And we did that through our might, our drive, a lot of luck and through the assistance of our allies.

We did that by taking care of things both at home and abroad because WE CAN.

It was never perfect. It was never easy. It always cost a lot of blood and treasure to keep this experiment going.

And boiling it down to oversimplified crap about "Ukrainian Pensions vs East Palestine" while disregarding how the levers of your government actually function is 100% disingenuous.

I also need to be a bit more specific. The government does hold some tax dollars in trust. But not for taxpayers, per say. It's to fund mandatory programs. And they have been borrowing out of those trusts and need to stop.

[bambino]

Joe to Ukraine.
Trump to Ohio.

You can’t make this up. It’s like someone is writing a script to piss off the American people.

https://apnews.com/article/russia-uk...07127c7e57a27b

[Jacuzzme]

Originally Posted by HDGristle

We did that by taking care of things both at home and abroad because WE CAN.

We’re carrying 100 trillion in debt and unfunded liability so, actually, we can’t. We are wasting billions defending a place, which all those people with little flags on their car and bio couldn’t find on a map, of no vital importance to anyone other than Raytheon, Kellog Brown & Root, and the politicians whose pockets they fill, and risking nuclear holocaust to do it.

And don’t give me that humanitarian horseshit. There’s people getting slaughtered all over the world right now, and nobody gives a flying fuck because they have no resources to exploit.

[bambino]

Originally Posted by Jacuzzme

We’re carrying 100 trillion in debt and unfunded liability so, actually, we can’t. We are wasting billions defending a place, which all those people with little flags on their car and bio couldn’t find on a map, of no vital importance to anyone other than Raytheon, Kellog Brown & Root, and the politicians whose pockets they fill, and risking nuclear holocaust to do it.

And don’t give me that humanitarian horseshit. There’s people getting slaughtered all over the world right now, and nobody gives a flying fuck because they have no resources to exploit.

Exactly. You can drink a bottle a whiskey everyday because you CAN. But sooner or later you die. Our Government has been spending OUR money like drunken sailors. With no tangible results. We’ve dumped trillions into the Middle East, it’s the same or worse. Ukraines a joke. They’ve been a part of Russia since the 1600’s. They ceded from The Soviet Union when it dissolved in the mid 90’s. They never formally declared their borders. The US installed a puppet regime. It’s not a democracy. It’s a corrupt state. A Disney World for the DS/Cabal to operate. They don’t give a rats ass about the people. But somehow, we need to throw billions of dollars there. With no accountability.

Meanwhile US citizens are suffering. Wide open borders, inflation, crime. We are on the verge of default. The Fed will print more worthless money. Our Country is on life support NOW. We CANNOT afford a dime more to Ukraine or anyone else.

[HDGristle]

We can and we will. Your faith in this country is what's on life support. We do have debts to be paid and hard choices to make, but those are different discussions. This money was earmarked last year. And polling shows that more will likely be authorized for the future.

[bambino]

Originally Posted by HDGristle

We can and we will. Your faith in this country is what's on life support. We do have debts to be paid and hard choices to make, but those are different discussions. This money was earmarked last year. And polling shows that more will likely be authorized for the future.

Ah, no. McCarthey said there will be no blank checks for Ukraine. My faith isn’t on life support. Our country is. But I have hope.

NCSWIC

[HDGristle]

Politician says no blank check, it means, big checks still possible and probable.

But, by all means, let us know WIC and why NCS it.

[bambino]

Originally Posted by HDGristle

Politician says no blank check, it means, big checks still possible and probable.

But, by all means, let us know WIC and why NCS it.

You’ll find out.

[HDGristle]

I'm sure we will, QCB

[The_Waco_Kid]

Originally Posted by bambino

Joe to Ukraine.
Trump to Ohio.

You can’t make this up. It’s like someone is writing a script to piss off the American people.

https://apnews.com/article/russia-uk...07127c7e57a27b

Joey in Ukraine. at least he brought a suit. doesn't that goober Zelenskyy have one suit to wear? he addressed Congress wearing combat fatigues.


Russia was notified in advance Biden was going to visit Kyiv from Poland so they didn't "accidentally" blow up his motorcade.

[berryberry]

Originally Posted by HDGristle

Millions of people, berry. Millions of people look at diplomatic and humanitarian spend as a good thing, especially to help support snd rebuild an ally.

Stop obfuscating and gaslighting on how federal budgets and appropriations work. That absolutely matters.

You're misrepresenting what federal dollars are. Taxpayer's money is what stays in your pocket after you pay what's legally required.

That is a lie and you know it. There are not millions and millions of people who support giving our dollars away to corrupt foreign countries for Ukrainian pensions while our own Social Security system is going to become insolvent soon. Initially there was support for military aid but that has slipped as well

And the only one obfuscating and gaslighting is you with the utter crap about it comes out of this department's budget. That is pure obfuscation. NO - it comes out of the US taxpayers pocket, period.

The Federal government generates it's money by taking it from the US taxpayers. Taxation has become theft by the Federal Government. And them wasting hard working American's hard earned money on corrupt foreign giveaways is criminal. But given we have a criminal in Senile Biden who has been in bed with Ukraine for years, it's not surprising that you support this

FUCK Corrupt Ukraine. Our priority needs to be America and American's