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				The data is in the June report.   You can find it here.
I'm not going to tell which table the data is in since that would ruin the fun of you having to read for yourself. But it is there and it is clearly labeled.  
			
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			07-11-2025, 01:12 PM
			
			
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I'm not going to tell which table the data is in since that would ruin the fun of you having to read for yourself. But it is there and it is clearly labeled. 
			
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Your defense of that is just reflex, I know.  But your definition of WINNING is becoming farcical.
 
This was a much better interpretation of his "answer"....
 
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You quite obviously already did the analysis.  Why are you so reluctant to share more of it here?.... 
 
Oh.  Wait.  Could it be because the job growth numbers are so dominated by a select few areas that they don't look...quite so reassuring?.... 
			
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			07-11-2025, 02:01 PM
			
			
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			07-11-2025, 03:09 PM
			
			
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				Is manufacturing going up? 
			
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- The Bureau of Labor Statistics reported non-farm job growth of 147,000 for June 2025 
 
- The majority of those jobs were in State and Local government jobs, with 73,000 
 
-  40,000 in eductation 
 
- Health care 39,000 
 
- Manufacturing DECLINED by 7,000 
 
Sooooo... if you're in local government, healthcare, or education...GOOD FOR YOU! 
 
For everyone else, maybe not so much.  Although the loss of jobs for foreign-born workers is probably good as it means that there are lots of great roofing and agricultural jobs available!  Don't ferget yer sunscreen! 
 
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			07-11-2025, 05:39 PM
			
			
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			So we gained white jobs and lost "black" jobs?
		 
		
		
		
		
		
		
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			07-11-2025, 08:22 PM
			
			
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Its obvious you've never worked a factory floor in your life. You think factories spin up that fast especially greenfields?
 
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			07-11-2025, 10:21 PM
			
			
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				Most important data from June: 
 
🟢 830k new jobs for native-born  
🔴 348K jobs lost for foreign-born 
 
🟢 437k gain of new full-time jobs 
🔴 367k loss of old part-time jobs 
 
I'm sure someone will figure out why the above is bad, but this is what I voted for. 
			
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			07-11-2025, 10:41 PM
			
			
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				Why are you applauding the snarkastic brag about “American born workers,” mate? 
 
That means not you.  Right? 
 
And how poorly worded was that, TWK?   It’s like you’re celebrating hundreds of thousands of workers out of work in this great country?   
 
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... Yes, but I have a job already, mate.
 
So it's good to see American-born workers get MORE jobs, 
and illegal immigrants lose the jobs as they're sent out.
 
And, of course, too many bloated Government jobs already. 
Some o' them can be cut - thus saving the tax-payers money.
 
... Win-Wins all surely abound in Trump's economy! ..   
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			07-11-2025, 10:56 PM
			
			
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				And, of course, too many bloated Government jobs already. 
Some o' them can be cut - thus saving the tax-payers money.
 
... Win-Wins all surely abound in Trump's economy! ..   
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Salty, the dollar is still in the $hitter and will be indefinitely.  Trillions and trillions in currency still being created out of thin air destroying the purchasing power of the currency.  There's no coming back.  The only people winning are the 1% of society, 99% are losing.  Remember the capitulated plan was to be the crypto capital of the world LMFAO, not the constitutional money capital of the world.  That right there tells you whom's interest is being served.  Not the peoples.
		  
		
		
		
		
		
		
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			07-11-2025, 11:02 PM
			
			
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				Salty, the dollar is still in the $hitter and will be indefinitely.  Trillions and trillions in currency still being created out of thin air destroying the purchasing power of the currency.  There's no coming back.  The only people winning are the 1% of society, 99% are losing.  Remember the capitulated plan was to be the crypto capital of the world LMFAO, not the constitutional money capital of the world.  That right there tells you whom's interest is being served.  Not the peoples. 
			
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... Okay - perhaps you have a point, mate. 
But, let's wait and see... President Trump has been on 
less than six months. ... Let's see where the economy 
is come another 90 days.
 
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			07-11-2025, 11:31 PM
			
			
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				... Okay - perhaps you have a point, mate. 
But, let's wait and see... President Trump has been on 
less than six months. ... Let's see where the economy 
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We don't have to wait 90 days mate.  Six months or 4 years is irrelevant.  ALL fiat currencies will continue to lose value.  The Fed doesn't want a constitutional money system backed by gold because then governments can't borrow and spend like drunken sailors.  It would go against the current financial system in place.  The captiulation was to the bankers.  The crypto crowd got used for their votes.  It's a done deal.
		  
		
		
		
		
		
		
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			07-12-2025, 01:20 PM
			
			
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				Its obvious you've never worked a factory floor in your life. You think factories spin up that fast especially greenfields? 
 
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Which you no doubt do not have either.  Or else you are not admitting that this is a total sham.  
 
There will never be a substantial increase in manufacturing jobs in this country, no matter what.
 
Efficiency gains, primarily due to robotics and AI, will put an end to any real growth in the future.
 
They may grow some. For awhile.  Then decline like DJT Media stock price.
 
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			07-12-2025, 11:19 PM
			
			
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			Manufacturing jobs will change as robotics and AI advance, it's unavoidable. Even if they replace most workers, you still need humans for repairs and quality control and to build and maintain the infrastructure. I'd rather see these jobs in this country than another. 
 
These claims/fears are very similar to the ones heard when the industrial revolution started and the working man and economy adjusted to the changes.
		 
		
		
		
		
		
		
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			07-13-2025, 10:09 AM
			
			
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				... Okay - perhaps you have a point, mate. 
But, let's wait and see... President Trump has been on 
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Did you just say”Wait and see” again?
 
What? No “WINNING?”
 
Into a corner you have painted yourself.
		  
		
		
		
		
		
		
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				Manufacturing jobs will change as robotics and AI advance, it's unavoidable. Even if they replace most workers, you still need humans for repairs and quality control and to build and maintain the infrastructure. I'd rather see these jobs in this country than another. 
 
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Ummm... no.  I don't mean to pick on you, as this argument is almost always raised in these discussions.  But it is not thought through.
 The robots will fix the robots.
There won't ever be any large scale workforce of robot repair technicians.
 
They will build the infrastructure too.  Not right away.  But it's coming.
 
Job growth in manufacturing will NOT be a significant driver of recovery for this economy.
 
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