Round 'em up and ship 'em out?

[The_Waco_Kid]

Originally Posted by txdot-guy

The difference is that he doesn’t follow the law when he does it.

nether did Obama or Clinton. don't see your point here


Speed Over Fairness: Deportation Under the Obama Administration

https://www.aclu.org/news/immigrants...on-under-obama


who's the tyrant here? all of them? none? you decide


BAHAHHAHAAAA

[Why_Yes_I_Do]

Originally Posted by dilbert firestorm

the reason for this is control.. those corrupt govts were proxies for american economic policies.

Those corrupt countries would sell their mothers for the greenbacks, more like.

[ICU 812]

Originally Posted by Precious_b

Yeah. There is an issue for those that come to this country for economic means.

*BUT* I would have no problem with them if they generated capital that was for the good of their community. I guess what I mean is that they are an economic plus where they are at.

The road to economic opportunity in the USA begins at a US consulate in one's home country. The road to asylum status in the USA begins at the US consulate in the first country one enters after fleeing oppression (or whatever).

Foreign born members of my extended family, on b both sides . . .and there were many . . . . .all went through some form go that process.

There is a process, however flawed, for entering the USA and working as a foreign national. I am sure that adjustments to that process can be made.

Doing anything other than the above is jumping the line over those who are doing it the right way.

That one really-really wants to come here is not justification .

The so-called "root causes" for folks really-really wanting to come here and crashing the gate to do so, is that they live in a "shit-hole" country (to quote President Trump). Anyone can see that.

[ICU 812]

Originally Posted by Jacuzzme

Why not stay and put that hard work and creativity towards making their home country better.

Make El Salvador Great Again!

Or Pakistan. . . . .or any other country colonized by Spain or Portugal?

How about any of the sub-Saharan countries of Africa? The area of Africa formerly colonized by Belsum has been a hopeless mess since independence in the 1950s. the first Secretary General of the United Nations, Dag Hammerschold, was killed there for attempting to mediate a cease fire. And that was nearly 75 years ago.
This year, President Trump did just that . . .somehow. We will have to see if they can fix it themselves now.

There are any number of other chronically failed societies around the world. Coming to America cannot be the fix for their national distopien disfunction.

[Why_Yes_I_Do]

Originally Posted by txdot-guy

...I don’t remember Obama or Biden rounding up immigrants at courthouses or schools or churches...

Do you remember Willy "Slick Willy" Sutton?
Q) Hey Willy. Why do you rob banks?
A) Because that's where the money is.
Good reads here and here

Originally Posted by txdot-guy

...I don’t remember ICE using Black Hawk helicopters, flashbang grenades, truck blocked roads and zip tying children while separating them from their parents all in an attempt to terrorize a neighborhood...

Do you remember O'Bama putting kids in cages? Later, the Gas Bagging media (Hillary) tried to blame Trump for that. Do you remember O'Bama and F Joe O'Biden, aka President AutoPen, leaving the gates wide the hell open and even providing transportation for them?

Think about that last bit for one for a second. You go out of town for a couple weeks but left your front door and garage door wide the hell open and the lights on. Upon your return and realizing the mistake, are you gonna send your young'uns in the house to open the other doors and windows in the hope that whatever is inside will just leave on their own accord while you wait in the car with the motor running?

But seriously, you really and truly believe that the sole missions of ICE is to:
1) zip tie children?!?
2) terrorize neighborhoods?!?
3) randomly toss flashbangs around for fun?!?

Seems as though you only read, yet failed to comprehend, just the bold type font in the article. Let's take this one single example: "children were zip-tied and separated from parents"
Happen to see any qualifiers with that statement? Was it one or two or all? Can you even fathom why that might occur in isolated incidences and be entirely necessary and for the good of the little tykes? I bet ya actually could after a brief synapse firing session. So fire up that coal furnace.

Let's try a little imagery experiment:
Daddy's dinky hanging out and Mommy's ta-tas flopping about because they were doing the wild thing just before ICE came.

A 17 1/2 year old male with a weapon in their hand, perhaps because they didn't know what was on the other side of that front door OR because they did know.

Any idea what a human shield is?

A bunch of unqualified and bold faced "trigger words" is a tell tale sign of Gas Lighting. We already know PT Barnum was right. You don't need to prove it.

[Precious_b]

Originally Posted by The_Waco_Kid

...
better still, why don't you tell us how exactly we ruined South America? ...

Most certainly. Right after you produce the link you've been dragging your feet on, like House Speaker currently is, and produce the FCC license for tuckpad network.

Originally Posted by ICU 812

The road to economic opportunity in the USA begins at a US consulate in one's home country. The road to asylum status in the USA begins at the US consulate in the first country one enters after fleeing oppression (or whatever).

Foreign born members of my extended family, on b both sides . . .and there were many . . . . .all went through some form go that process.

There is a process, however flawed, for entering the USA and working as a foreign national. I am sure that adjustments to that process can be made.

Doing anything other than the above is jumping the line over those who are doing it the right way.

That one really-really wants to come here is not justification .

The so-called "root causes" for folks really-really wanting to come here and crashing the gate to do so, is that they live in a "shit-hole" country (to quote President Trump). Anyone can see that.

I have no questions about the above.
I have a feeling that less people would go through that if what you quoted from me was addressed.

[The_Waco_Kid]

Originally Posted by Precious_b

Most certainly. Right after you produce the link you've been dragging your feet on, like House Speaker currently is, and produce the FCC license for tuckpad network.



I have no questions about the above.
I have a feeling that less people would go through that if what you quoted from me was addressed.

you have no proof. shocking.


bahahaha

[Precious_b]

Originally Posted by Precious_b

Most certainly. Right after you produce the link you've been dragging your feet on, like House Speaker currently is, and produce the FCC license for tuckpad network. ...

Originally Posted by The_Waco_Kid

Ihave no proof. shocking.


bahahaha

ftfy.

Just one little ol' measly quid pro quo to satisfy you.
But seeing you have no proof....i'll still give you the benefit of the doubt and let you produce the link asked for.

[The_Waco_Kid]

Originally Posted by Precious_b

ftfy.

Just one little ol' measly quid pro quo to satisfy you.
But seeing you have no proof....i'll still give you the benefit of the doubt and let you produce the link asked for.

exactly the response i expected.

[txdot-guy]

Despite the poll numbers the fact remains that large numbers of people are not happy with the way Stephen Miller and the Trump administration are demonizing an entire class of people. They don’t like the harsh ways in which ICE chooses to do their jobs.

The end of democracy and the start of autocracy begins with the demonization of marginalized groups.

The Path from Democracy to Autocracy

The erosion of democracy often begins with the demonization of marginalized groups. This strategy serves as a precursor to the establishment of autocratic regimes. Analyzing this progression reveals key mechanisms through which democratic societies can slide into autocracy.

Mechanisms of Demonization

Propaganda and Misinformation:
Manipulated Narratives: The media can be used to spread false narratives about marginalized groups, painting them as scapegoats for societal issues.
Fear-Mongering: Sensationalized reporting can incite fear and create a hostile environment.

Erosion of Trust:
Division: By pitting different societal groups against each other, unity is undermined, making collective action for democracy harder.
Distrust in Institutions: Institutions that are supposed to protect rights can be co-opted to serve the interests of those in power.

Legislative Actions:
Discriminatory Laws: New laws that target marginalized groups can further solidify an "us vs. them" mentality.
Emergency Powers: Leaders may justify suspending democratic norms under the guise of protecting national security.

Effects on Society

Normalization of Hate: As marginalized groups are increasingly demonized, societal acceptance of discrimination grows, leading to cycles of violence and unrest.
Undermining Civil Liberties: Autocratic leadership often uses the guise of public safety to infringe upon the rights of all citizens, eroding the foundational principles of democracy.

[Precious_b]

Originally Posted by The_Waco_Kid

exactly the response i expected.

Yeah. That you are too chicken to back up what you post.

I am more than willing to supply what you want.

*BUT* you gotta throw out that maggie playbook and mentality of doing what y'all want while ignoring others. You don't believe in tit-for-tat. Just grabbing the pussy without consequences. And y'all maggies are blind to the fact that your actions are tearing apart this country with the "my way or the highway" mentality.

So, until you settle old business...

It would be welcoming to see y'all accept an open dialogue. Not loaded statements or razor thin parrallex view of a sliver of a point you like.

Now, I gotta go back to posting a review. I highly suggest you get away from the PF and get your nuts off. Y'all here seemed to be too tightly wound.

[texassapper]

Originally Posted by txdot-guy

Despite the poll numbers the fact remains that large numbers of people are not happy with the way Stephen Miller and the Trump administration are demonizing an entire class of people. They don’t like the harsh ways in which ICE chooses to do their jobs.

The end of democracy and the start of autocracy begins with the demonization of marginalized groups.

The Path from Democracy to Autocracy

The erosion of democracy often begins with the demonization of marginalized groups. This strategy serves as a precursor to the establishment of autocratic regimes. Analyzing this progression reveals key mechanisms through which democratic societies can slide into autocracy.

Mechanisms of Demonization

Propaganda and Misinformation:
Manipulated Narratives: The media can be used to spread false narratives about marginalized groups, painting them as scapegoats for societal issues.
Fear-Mongering: Sensationalized reporting can incite fear and create a hostile environment.

Erosion of Trust:
Division: By pitting different societal groups against each other, unity is undermined, making collective action for democracy harder.
Distrust in Institutions: Institutions that are supposed to protect rights can be co-opted to serve the interests of those in power.

Legislative Actions:
Discriminatory Laws: New laws that target marginalized groups can further solidify an "us vs. them" mentality.
Emergency Powers: Leaders may justify suspending democratic norms under the guise of protecting national security.

Effects on Society

Normalization of Hate: As marginalized groups are increasingly demonized, societal acceptance of discrimination grows, leading to cycles of violence and unrest.
Undermining Civil Liberties: Autocratic leadership often uses the guise of public safety to infringe upon the rights of all citizens, eroding the foundational principles of democracy.

VERY INTERESTING......

Some very fcuking profound food for thought there...

VERY INTERESTING INDEED.....

I wonder what would happen if you call people Nazis enough times... would that normalize the hate?


*** No it's BECAUSE of the POLL NUMBERS....

[Why_Yes_I_Do]

Originally Posted by txdot-guy

Despite the poll numbers the fact remains that large numbers of people are not happy with the way Stephen Miller and the Trump administration are demonizing an entire class of people...

It's called the minority. I get you're not use to that. But it is what is.

[txdot-guy]

Originally Posted by texassapper

VERY INTERESTING......

Some very fcuking profound food for thought there...

VERY INTERESTING INDEED.....

I wonder what would happen if you call people Nazis enough times... would that normalize the hate?


*** No it's BECAUSE of the POLL NUMBERS....

Originally Posted by Why_Yes_I_Do

It's called the minority. I get you're not use to that. But it is what is.

Ever heard the term ‘good germans’ before.

Keep putting your head in the sand while Trump and Miller pursue these authoritarian policies.

[Why_Yes_I_Do]

Originally Posted by txdot-guy

Despite the poll numbers the fact remains that large numbers of people are not happy with the way Stephen Miller and the Trump administration are demonizing an entire class of people...

By "class" of people, do you mean illegal aliens, from over 100 countries, that broke the law to get in here, with many breaking laws in the process and many doing so repeatedly while here?!?

Got's you some real "class" right there?!? Eh Comrade!

But seriously, let's do the actual math. Are not the "large numbers of people" also referred to, in a factual way, as the minority and they still have not come to grips with the gravity of their new lot in life?!?

Momma always said:
You may not believe in reality or even gravity, but they believe in you.