New forum iMonger.com

[SnackyChan]

@Tinman - Whoa there, you don't trust my online law degree from Rwanda University?

[SnackyChan]

Originally Posted by bobby01

giving provider ability to post ads is very interesting, Something like oh2 + tryst style Free verified ads.

Exactly. Tryst would be way better if there was a community there. That's where it's lacking, and the inability to directly review the providers.

It's still rather successful for being just an ad site. I suspect it is because the providers have to go through rigorous verification, so it reduces the number of fakes and scams for mongers to sift through. It's also easy to use with a clean layout.

Every popular hobby site seems to have major drawbacks to make it a trusted, all-in-one goto place. If you can combine all the positives from each site and implement it successfully your site may have a chance.

[Anthonylewis50]

Originally Posted by bobby01

I like AMP scene in dallas while it was going strong. I enjoyed going to pearls. Don't like going to independent provider, had bad expericance in the past but elise seems like alot of fun. Loved the studio girls, yummy, shu, emi

Ok. Here's why your plan sucks. No offense. I don't know you but here's why it sucks. 1. You are creating a community based site but you are not a member of that community. You joined her half a busted nut ago, and come across as suspicious and trying to prove you belong. If Tinman or Ranger or a mod here started a site people would be down. Noone knows you. If you don't know how to be in a community you for damn sure don't know how to build one. 2. You also seem to have no idea what the laws and regulations are around this type of site including what the risks are of posting ads. How in the world are people supposed to trust your site if it comes across that you don't know the rules that could endanger the community you are creating. 3. You come across as a bit untrustworthy. Your story just doesn't add up, and this is a trust based hobby.

I'm not trying to attack you. You asked for feedback. Here it is. If you were even vaguely familiar with eccie you'd anticipate getting lit the fuck up just like I am now

[poon_69]

Litty on the tiddie.

[Anthonylewis50]

Originally Posted by bobby01

Thank you for your advice, I didn’t know about the history of Eccie/oh2. I understand the journey, and I am ready for it and We want to always be compliance with the law.

Compliance with the law?? Ads are against the law. This is what I mean. You don't know the regulations related to the shit you are trying to do, but you want everyone to use your site and trust they'll be safe.

You don't know the history of eccie/oh2, but your holding yourself out as a local monger just chopping it up with the guys. I think that's deceptive as fuck. You should have just come clean. 'hi. I'm new. Not much experience but want to start a business. I'm located in Spain but want to help"

And who is the "we" here? Is this your account or someone else's.... wait. Could it be....a black pimp?! Noooooo!!!!!!!!

[TinMan]

No way I’m starting a whore board. I’m enjoying my time too much as a retired guy who no longer sees hookers and hangs out here 24/7.

[Anthonylewis50]

Originally Posted by bobby01

I understand your skepticism on something new. I completely get it, and i don't expect people come on-board today. I wanted to build something i wish existed, where i can lookup review - rating of a potential encounter before i spent any roses.


ps: Right now we don't have enough encounter data, but soon there will be alot more from all over the US and can easily view providers review- ranking - rating before you decide to meet up

How the fuck are you going to "soon" get accurate, verified, and risk free encounter data from the entire United States? Data that's not fake. Data that's not generated by local le to trick people into a bust.

Your just a local DFW guy who loves the cowboys and hates the DEI, but somehow you will "soon" have access to real monger encounter information from all over America? Any monger here who travels some place else knows what you have to do right? You get local intel. Y'all know this doesn't make sense. And the question is why is he saying he's a monger when he's doing shit that mongers don't do.

This is like me telling someone I will soon have all the best quarterbacks in the world in my garage. This is why Im calling bullshit. Old mongers here know who founded p411 and how long it took to build a national model. In DFW people know the founders of eccie and oh2. We've actually seen people do this and how hard it is to do. You can definitely have a site and fill it with rankings. But there no monger data bro. It's monger experiences. You can't ai that.

No more free advice for you bro. If you want to start a business, cool. If you want to talk to someone who knows more about this then you do you're going to have to pay me a consulting fee.

[Anonymous01]

So "Encounter Reports" now includes encounters with web sites? I'm confused....

[TinMan]

Originally Posted by Anonymous01

So "Encounter Reports" now includes encounters with web sites? I'm confused....

Let me share my most recent Pornhub encounter. It started with a tub of coconut oil….

[purplepatch]

I'll just leave this here...

Texas penal code 43.041

Sec. 43.041. AGGRAVATED ONLINE PROMOTION OF PROSTITUTION. (a) A person commits an offense if the person owns, manages, or operates an interactive computer service or information content provider, or operates as an information content provider, with the intent to promote the prostitution of five or more persons or facilitate five or more persons to engage in prostitution or solicitation of prostitution.

(b) An offense under this section is a felony of the second degree, except that the offense is a felony of the first degree if the actor:

(1) has been previously convicted of an offense under this section; or

(2) engages in conduct described by Subsection (a) involving two or more persons younger than 18 years of age engaging in prostitution, regardless of whether the actor knows the age of the persons at the time of the offense.

[TinMan]

While we are at it, here is a link to a relevant section of what is commonly called FOSTA/SESTA:

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/t...2C%20or%20both.

[haskellham]

Who are the Eccie and P411 founders actually? I know the OH2 one bc you have to DM him for everything, but I think the Eccie and P411 owners are a bit more UTR

[TinMan]

The current owners of both eccie and p411 are no longer the founders. Both sold out to foreign interests.

I guess p411 was always foreign owned since Gina had moved to Canada when she started the site. I know there were changes in Canadian law that caused her to make some changes and might have influenced her decision to sell not long after.

[TinMan]

Kind of interesting to run the question “Have there been any prosecutions of online sites from FOSTA/SESTA?” Through Google AI:

Yes, there have been prosecutions, but they are rare. A June 2021 GAO report found the DOJ had prosecuted only one case specifically using FOSTA's new provisions as of that time. While FOSTA/SESTA caused major platforms to shut down (e.g., Backpage), prosecutors often rely on pre-existing laws like money laundering to charge operators rather than the new, largely untested FOSTA provisions.

Key Aspects of FOSTA/SESTA Prosecutions:

Low Usage Rate: Despite the law's passage in 2018, federal authorities have rarely used the specific criminal charges created by FOSTA to prosecute platforms.

Backpage as a Model: The prosecution of Backpage.com operators, which occurred around the time FOSTA passed, serves as the primary model, though many charges were based on pre-existing laws.

Challenges for Law Enforcement: The GAO report indicated that FOSTA led many platforms to relocate overseas, making investigation and prosecution more difficult.

Focus of Legal Action: Courts have focused on interpreting the "knowingly facilitating" aspect of the law, with some cases (e.g., Doe v. Twitter, Doe v. Facebook) testing the boundaries of platform liability.

Instead of a high volume of new prosecutions, the law has mainly resulted in the preemptive removal of content and the closure of platforms due to fears of liability


I do recall that folks found it interesting that prosecuters didn’t try and use the new law to prosecute the CEO of Backpage. I’ve always wondered what practical impact the law had on that front, and so far the answer seems to be, “not much”. It sounds like a lot of sites did what Eccie decided to do and made changes that reduced the risk of prosecution.

Regarding moving overseas, I think most site owners decided that isn’t enough, hence the sale of sites from domestic owners to foreign parties. As some may recall, the Backpage CEO was busted when he arrived back in the country from overseas. At DFW Airport, of all places.

[Anthonylewis50]

I feel like the CEO of Backpage was really asking for it. There are tons of sites like Backpage now. He just kinda pissed off the wrong people