Supreme Court justices appear skeptical over Trump's changes to US birthright citizenship rules

[fd-guy]

[69in2it69]

Originally Posted by ICU 812

All my ancestors came here legally. This involved applying for a visa through an American Consulate in their country of origin, sometimes waiting for years for it. This includes being vetted through Ellis Island. Those records are still available.

They lived within the laws of their time and became naturalized citizens through the process of their day. This included registering as a "resident clean" and re-regestgering at the post office every year until they were eligible to apply for naturalization.

For them, each in their day, naturalization included an oath forswearing allegiance to any other country.

My ancestors came here long before Ellis Island was even conceived, much less "naturalization". Does that make me illegal? What about Native Americans who called this home long before us crackers showed up? Your thought process of it being so simple excludes huge parts of the population... Maybe that's why it's in plain black and white "All persons born or naturalized in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States."

[fd-guy]

Originally Posted by 69in2it69

My ancestors came here long before Ellis Island was even conceived, much less "naturalization". Does that make me illegal? What about Native Americans who called this home long before us crackers showed up? Your thought process of it being so simple excludes huge parts of the population... Maybe that's why it's in plain black and white "All persons born or naturalized in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States."

Have you ever noticed how the MAGA crowd never wants to do alternative readings/understandings of the amendments they like?

[1blackman1]

Firstly, it would require them actually read. We know that’s a high bar for MAGAs, even the smart ones.

[Lantern2814]

Sigh. So nobody actually looks things up (nor reads anything) and sees that when this was passed, the Congressmen involved even stated that this did NOT apply to foreigners giving birth here. It was about citizenship for slaves and their children. Not illegals just running across the border to drop a child to get it "citizenship".

[Salty Again]

Originally Posted by Lantern2814

Sigh. So nobody actually looks things up (nor reads anything) and sees that when this was passed, the Congressmen involved even stated that this did NOT apply to foreigners giving birth here. It was about citizenship for slaves and their children. Not illegals just running across the border to drop a child to get it "citizenship".

.... Exactly right. ...

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