No Session experience but You've met the lady and know the pics are not accurate.....

[Jay Walker]

You make the call. "Trixie if heavier than she looks in her pics." OR let everyone else figure it out on their own. So damn simple.

This is a tremendous waste of bandwidth and my time.

Sorry, I'm grumpy today.

[Guest062610]

Hi Jack!

I think all of the ladies in Austin should post a current pic of themselves in this thread. Maybe geniusman can help us out.

LAP

[Spacemtn]

It is amazing what you can learn when you read the sticky at the top of most of the forums entitled "ECCIE General Conduct Guidelines"!

Originally Posted by SofaKingFun

Why not *tactfully* ask her when the images were taken and, upon confirmation that they are, in fact. old images, suggest to her that she get more recent/current ones?

Don't see a problem with that.

Or why not just cut to the chase and call her out here in the coed forum.

That was the point of this thread, wasn't it? Surely *you* know how to handle this without our input, don't you?


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For instance, here is one that might apply:

• #1 - Avoid cases of unprovoked rudeness to others. No place for it here. Yes, with the dynamic nature of the threads and topics, tempers will flare and things will become heated from time to time. You may often encounter individuals who become passionate or emotional when expressing one's opinion or point of view. That's all understood and perfectly acceptable within reason…….but, start slamming or bashing another member and be met with consequences.

Originally Posted by SofaKingFun

But, but, but, she's misleading the "Bros" with her old/doctored pictures-- and that's just wrongness. Silence, in situations such as this, goes against the "Bro code" or whatever the cool kids are calling it these days, to let a deceiver like this skate?

What is this a fucking PW/LapDog convention?

Whose side are you on anyway whimpers; the Guy's or the Gal's? Do you believe that you're doing either side a favor by remaining silent?



-Not that I believe for one second that whimpers actually cares what anyone else thincks; much less what they'll do... but I'll play along, LadiesFan.

So you're suggesting that he *might* be posting this in the hopes that it will bring about a change on her end, correct?

Well, why not simply address the issue directly with her at that time? That seems like a far more efficient method, doesn't it--dealing with the person directly?
(not to mention FAR less chickenshit than this approach he's taking)

I personally find it pretty spineless to remain silent then; when they were *allegedly* together, only to address it publicly here and now.

It just comes across as a cowardly backstab on this end.

I thinck it was Dr. Phil who said on one of his shows that the only way to get
some people's nutz to drop is to get them in front of a PC monitor. The rest of the time they're drawn up in their belly. He might have been on to something...?

OR.. Here's another possibility, LadiesFan

Stick a supposition somewhere in the body of the post so that if things get too hairy that person can simply tuck tail and claim that their post/threAd was merely hypothetical.

Typical A2M noise.






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Or maybe this might apply in this situation:

• #4 - Blatant insults or hostility toward another member will be met with staff intervention. This applies to using our coed forums for name calling, personal attacks, or vulgar slang terms to describe fellow members. If you have legitimate concerns about another member here, share them tactfully in the appropriate private forums or with staff.

Originally Posted by sixxbach

I can see where whispers is coming from actually. I have the same situation. I met a provider who looks NOTHING like their pics. Period. NOt even close. Has been reviewed a few times by others. They have offered peddly excuses when I bring it up. A mod was recently mentioned as being a good friend of theirs (self admission post) and I have even started a thread in the back channels weeks ago.

I haven't outed them for one because it might not be my story to tell (since I did not see BCD). The mention of being friends with a particular mod and the fact they are all about right and wrong is very amusing. If that particular individual was about right and wrong why would they let someone who is using deceitful pics continue to do so, etc...

And before some funny boy accuses me of being a lap dog, etc..... you know what you can do with that statement. I never felt compelled to post about it until I saw the comment from that lady proclaiming a mods sense of right and wrong, etc. They should have just hushed since they are benefiting from that. The thread I am talking about was closed yesterday (coed)

Sixx,
I have lots of people here on ECCIE that I consider friends, you among them, but if you feel that someone is not properly represented in their pics of descriptions, you should post it in the appropriate place for review and discussion. It should not matter who they are "friends" with and that includes Mods. See Rule # 26 below. I believe that in this pursuit of ours, there are two constants:
1) Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
2) The truth shall set you free.
None of us are always going agree about aspects of others that are totally subjective and vary according to an individuals personal tastes. That's why there are so many shapes, sizes, colors, temperments, etc.

Originally Posted by Sensual Sophia

I think the kind thing to do would be to send her an email or something letting her know that you think her photos are misleading. This is a hard thing to do. Most guys would just post something in the locker room or talk about her back channel. But I think in general, you of all people have the balls to tell her to her face. Just let her know that you are offering this advice to help her. That you think accurate photos will certainly be better for business than leaving guys disappointed when they come to the door because they were expecting one thing and got another.

See how she responds. If she says she can't afford a photoshoot, suggest she use her camera phone or at the very least put up a disclaimer in all of her ads and her website that she is fatter or thinner or has a different hairdo or whatever it is that makes her look different from her photos.

Oh, and that reminds me. I know you weren't talking about me, but I actually probably need new photos. I'll try to have something posted this week. Not trying to bait and switch anyone but I must look different now cuz guys keep telling me I don't look like my photos. Sometimes we don't see ourselves accurately. When I look at myself in the mirror, I feel like I look like my photos. But evidently I don't. Sometimes we ladies need to be told!

Excellent advice, although I would rather be beaten than tell a woman that "those jeans make you look kind of fat. It also depends on your goal. If you want the provider to know so she might need to make changes, then the above option is a good one. If your intention is to report the information to the other hobbiests for their use in making considerations regarding intelligent choices then the rule below might be one for consideration:

• #20 - The men and women of our board each have their respective private areas in which secure content is posted and a greater freedom of expression allowed. Each member is responsible for keeping the information in any of the private secure areas (Men's Lounge, Provider Powder Room, The Rest of the Story, posts which have been tagged as private) 100% restricted to the members who are intended to have access to that material. Revealing ANY content which was posted in one of the men's or women's private sections of the board will result in penalty, up to and including loss of your access to these areas. Full cooperation may result in a less severe penalty, and each violation will be handled on a case-by-case basis. Repeated infractions will impact the severity of punishment.

Also, all providers and hobbiests should be aware of this one:

• #26 - False advertising will not be permitted on ECCIE. If you utilize our forums, Showcase, or other advertising features, we ask that your tactics are straight-forward and accurate. If you choose to use images in your advertising, we require that the subject of the images are in fact you. Cases of alleged "false advertising" whether it be through inaccurate images or with text, should be reported to staff by the members using the RTM function. Investigation and appropriate actions will be taken, which may include removal of the false material and could possibly result in loss of ad-posting privileges.

All in all a thought provoking thread. Let me pose another thought. If the pictures are old and the difference is facial then it is certainly something that can be stated as fact. If it "appears" that she has put on weight or her body has changed that is a different story IMHO. Many times I have been more than surprised at the body that came out of those clothes, both pleasantly and otherwise!!

Finally, It is perfectly OK to disagree with and dislike other members points of view and style. It is also OK to intelligently present an opposing POV.Don't misunderstand, I am all for spirited debate, but not mean spirited debate. But if you so dislike what someone says on here, or you question their reason for posting a thread then why post in the thread? All it does is keep that thread on the top of the list. Why not ignore it and let it die of it's own accord?

[Guest062610]

Damn whispers, how many times did you hit the RTM button?

LAP

[ANONONE]

Hmmmm. . .sounds like a bunch of fodder for yet another "PAY ATTENTION TO ME" thread. . .

I think I'll pass.

[Francisca]

There are many ways to deal with this issue. You have already made your decision and taken action by posting and waiting for the 10000 hobbyist that will ask you for her name in private.
Personally, I think it was sorta cowardly & I am surprised you took this aproach. I was under the impression that you had no problem being honest & straight forward.

Providers would use back channels to imform other providers of a hobbyist. I do not know you & have never met you but I have heard and read several discussions regarding your physical appearance, among other things....

Just curious... What would you do if the lady in question looked much better in person than in her pictures?

[Miss Sophie Bella]

Originally Posted by Whispers

What do you do?

This thread made me giggle, mostly because it made me imagine Whispers in footy pjs, tossing in bed all night, wondering what in the world he should do about such a problem. As we all know, being Whispers is a big job. It's hard work. So cut him just a little slack.

I think the obvious answer is to mind one's own business and allow the market to work itself out. It always does. If you aren't her and you aren't her client then it's little business of yours whether or not you perceive her advertising to be precise. It's like complaining about the food in a restaurant where you've never eaten.

My photos are very current (all taken within the last six months, some as recently as one month ago), but they are "doctored". I have custom tattoos on my arms and back that are unique and distinctive as my face. I would never show them in my pictures. I do make very clear on my showcase, my P411, my website and to any new client with whom I correspond that I have a fair amount of ink. I don't consider the fact that I have them airbrushed out of my photos to be false advertising; I consider it a necessary preservation of my privacy. On the other hand, I recently had a gent who asked me why I describe myself as "curvy". I'm a size 6, but my proportions are definitely what I would consider curvaceous. I thought I was being accurate in my depiction of myself; he was expecting a fuller figured girl.

It's all subjective.

[Jay Walker]

Bravo Francisca and Sophie.

I'm sorry. I'm grumpy today and can't hold my tongue.

Whispers my friend (pun), you are useless.

-You offer absolutely NO value to this community,


- What a fucking fraud you have become. I've read your posts for almost a decade.... Before there was an Austin section on ASPD. You used to make some good points but now you are just pathetic.

"I'm Whispers and I fuk hot, sober, perfect, strippers every day. WORSHIP ME YOU SILLY BASTARDS. And far too many of you do.

It works for a lot of folks around here but me? I think you are pathetic.

Jealous? Fuck you Whispers. YES, if even half of your bullshit is legit? I'm jealous. But to me, Whispers, it's all BULLSHIT.

You brag about strippers. You have a few friends who will kiss your fat ass on these boards and confirm what a stud you are. Bullshit. You have become a total fukin fraud and its a shame.

[Guest062010]

Originally Posted by Jay Walker

Bravo Francisca and Sophie.

I'm sorry. I'm grumpy today and can't hold my tongue.

Whispers my friend (pun), you are useless.

-You offer absolutely NO value to this community,


- What a fucking fraud you have become. I've read your posts for almost a decade.... Before there was an Austin section on ASPD. You used to make some good points but now you are just pathetic.

"I'm Whispers and I fuk hot, sober, perfect, strippers every day. WORSHIP ME YOU SILLY BASTARDS. And far too many of you do.

It works for a lot of folks around here but me? I think you are pathetic.

Jealous? Fuck you Whispers. YES, if even half of your bullshit is legit? I'm jealous. But to me, Whispers, it's all BULLSHIT.

You brag about strippers. You have a few friends who will kiss your fat ass on these boards and confirm what a stud you are. Bullshit. You have become a total fukin fraud and its a shame.

I believe I read somewhere that you wanted to "sleep" with me again.. HA! Is that what they're calling it these days
?

[sixxbach]

Originally Posted by Jay Walker

Bravo Francisca and Sophie.

I'm sorry. I'm grumpy today and can't hold my tongue.

Whispers my friend (pun), you are useless.

-You offer absolutely NO value to this community,


- What a fucking fraud you have become. I've read your posts for almost a decade.... Before there was an Austin section on ASPD. You used to make some good points but now you are just pathetic.

"I'm Whispers and I fuk hot, sober, perfect, strippers every day. WORSHIP ME YOU SILLY BASTARDS. And far too many of you do.

It works for a lot of folks around here but me? I think you are pathetic.

Jealous? Fuck you Whispers. YES, if even half of your bullshit is legit? I'm jealous. But to me, Whispers, it's all BULLSHIT.

You brag about strippers. You have a few friends who will kiss your fat ass on these boards and confirm what a stud you are. Bullshit. You have become a total fukin fraud and its a shame.

Jay I am not above slinging mud (big surprise there) but never to that affect. You don't have to like what the man says or even agree but he has a place here like anyone else.

He shares info for fellow hobbyists to come and partake in. I don't walk the high roller sections. I am street level and I dabble with other parts of the hobby and feel that if I asked him, he would set me up with someone (paying their rates of course). He is not someone who unlike one well known hobbyist who tried to blacklist me to a few providers, one to judge someone for their hobby exploits.

Call me an ass kisser.... far from it... anyone who has met me in real life knows I am my own man and make no apologies for I am. I respect Whispers because he tells like it is and does not care what YOU, ME, OR ANYONE thinks but will help out a fellow hobbyist at the same time. I am the same way. More people thank you think respect someone who puts it on the line.

Jay with your mud slinging, trash talk, and insults.... welcome to the dark side..........

[Guest062010]

short bus kids are so fun!

[ThrillBill88]

Getting back to the topic, I would buy her a drink. Tell her no thanks. Give her $20 for cab fare, and haul ass. Then I would submit a post in the locker room, and warn my fellow hobbyist: she's not the girl in the pictures. In-accurate pictures is a cardinal sin. Be what you advertise. Advertise what you are.

Jay Walker, I don't know what your favorite drink is, but you should go have a few doubles. Never met Whispers, but according to the boards, he's put together some damn good lunches with some really sweet girls...some really good times from what I hear. What have you done lately?

[LadiesFan]

Originally Posted by LadiesFan

As a side effect a few members will jump in and say some mean things, and others will add them to their DNS lists.

Wow.... I had no idea how spot on that comment was.

LF

[BoobsmanBoobs]

Well if you were to out her here or in the locker room you would of course have a few WK's come after you. Do it face to face and you probably have a scene in the club. I think your post did what it was intended (at least what I think you intended) to do which was discretely let her know that you thought her pics were out dated/altered. After all only you and her know who you are talking about.

B

[Baloney Pony]

Originally Posted by Whispers

Suppose you meet with an Advertising Indy.....

You have a couple of drinks in a club......

You come to the obvious conclusion upon meeting her in person that her pics are either old or doctored.....

But you not see her BCD so there is no review to post.....

What do you do?

Howdy, Folks!


Be thankful you didn't spend $$$ to find this out.

End of discussion, and time for the next thread...

[However, since I tend to be loquacious - onward we must go on this thread for just a tad bit more... ]


No BCD, so really - no need for a review, and I really don't think it would be alert worthy either.


You did the smart thing - met her before $$$ exchanged hands, and determined that wasn't gonna happen. This is simply good TCB skills on the part of the Hobbyist - Hobby 101, IMHO.



Whispers, I think the real question here is:

This sort of pre-purchase research is so unusual that it is worthy of discussion. It should be so common that it shouldn't be relevant, but strangely, it is, and is thread-worthy. Why is that?