What is your definition of Energy Independence

[WTF]

Originally Posted by lustylad

He is your God and Trump your Jesus Christ!

You two were the ones acting as if energy independence was the be all cure for our ills.

While it seemed to even aware we were energy independent in 2021.

You two have tried to argue Joe Biden was responsible for current high gasoline prices.

Are you know trying to downplay energy independence actual Realpolitik meaning?

At least Tiny quit parroting your lie about me supporting Putin. Even JackieS stopped repeating your lie. So there is still hope. Can't remember what Andy Dupree said about hope but I liked it.

[lustylad]

Originally Posted by WTF

....I've given my definition of energy independence in relation to this thread.

No, you didn't. You asked everyone else to define it for you. Show me the post where you provided your own precise definition of the term.

We've all seemed to agree that it means more energy export than import.

We did? Show me where we all agreed to such a flaky, flawed and vague definition. What is included in "energy" and how is it measured? Do we include coal, nuclear, hydro and renewables? Do we add up tonnages, costs, or BTUs? Do we look at the monthly, quarterly and/or annual numbers? Does independence mean as a nation we produce more than we consume? Or that we export more than we import? I've been waiting for over 420 posts for you to explain all of this.

So the definition is easily defined.

Lol did you really just say the "definition is defined"? Try being a little more articulate, ok? We're still waiting for a specific, workable, measurable definition from you, along with the data derived by applying that definition.

What you silly fuckers thought that meant has been rejected by the facts.

What facts? Except for a few of Tiny's posts, this has been a largely fact-less thread. Neither Tiny nor I have defined energy independence and you're not a mind reader, so there is nothing to be rejected other than the flimsy straw-man arguments you keep postulating.

So Tiny...I have defined wtf it means. It means different things at different times.

Oh dear! Now you say the definition, which you haven't spelled out and nobody has agreed on, can change and mean "different things at different times"? Hey, that's convenient! Maybe you can apply one definition for Republican Presidents and another one for dim-retards, eh?

As a famous dim-retard once told us, "it all depends on what the meaning of the word is, is."

[bambino]

Originally Posted by lustylad

As a famous dim-retard once told us, "it all depends on what the meaning of the word is, is."

Bro, why do you waste your time bitch slapping Professor Poofter? He doesn’t understand his own posts let alone yours.

[lustylad]

Originally Posted by bambino

Bro, why do you waste your time bitch slapping Professor Poofter? He doesn’t understand his own posts let alone yours.

Didn't Prof. Poofter just say "there is still hope"?

[bambino]

Originally Posted by lustylad

Didn't Prof. Poofter just say "there is still hope"?

Hoping to find more Poofters.

[WTF]

Originally Posted by lustylad

As a famous dim-retard once told us, "it all depends on what the meaning of the word is, is."

Oh thank you Jesus, both you and Tiny have said wtf you thought energy independence meant.

I don't have time right now but I'll go back and pull the quotes.

To be fair....some of ou other right leaning friends understand what it means and have posted as such. You two hav ignored them.

[WTF]

Originally Posted by bambino

Hoping to find more Poofters.

You are hoping to catch more poofter....what a strange little man you are.

[lustylad]

Originally Posted by WTF

Oh thank you Jesus, both you and Tiny have said wtf you thought energy independence meant.

I don't have time right now but I'll go back and pull the quotes.

Pull your own definition while you're at it. And make sure it's precise, comprehensive and measurable.

Originally Posted by lustylad

What is included in "energy" and how is it measured? Do we include coal, nuclear, hydro and renewables? Do we add up tonnages, costs, or BTUs? Do we look at the monthly, quarterly and/or annual numbers? Does independence mean as a nation we produce more than we consume? Or that we export more than we import?

[WTF]

Originally Posted by lustylad

Pull your own definition while you're at it. And make sure it's precise, comprehensive and measurable.

Let me introduce GFY into your lexicon if it is missing or reintroduce I'd you haven't heard it in a while.

I will say that the clue "energy" would ,to most educated folks include all form of energy. My apologies for assuming you'd be able to grasp that.

[Precious_b]

Originally Posted by Why_Yes_I_Do

No problem-o! I am but a mere URL provider to both the stars and dirty little peoples of the universe. If you were of the mind to drill on the land you have leased for drilling, this is where you go for that:

U.S Department of the Interior - Bureau of Land Management
aka the actual BLM, not the made up one for influencing election rigging and "for free" shopping excursions and mostly peaceful, yet fiery and destructive protests

...

LOL! I got a laugh out of that pithy intro. Need more light heartedness postings here. But we both know that ain't gonna happen.

But to that specific department of government you list. Seems to support the ease it should be to get those holes sunk in the ground. I think that is one of the biggest departments of government that is rampant with grift n greed. Even as a kid, with no interest in such matters, I remember hearing about problems with them.

This should be no problem with people intent on using those leases.

[lustylad]

Originally Posted by WTF

My apologies for assuming...

Learn to follow your own advice.

Originally Posted by WTF

Never ASSUME… it makes an ASS out of U and ME

[Tiny]

Originally Posted by WTF

Oh thank you Jesus, both you and Tiny have said wtf you thought energy independence meant.

I don't have time right now but I'll go back and pull the quotes.

To be fair....some of ou other right leaning friends understand what it means and have posted as such. You two hav ignored them.

Oh thank you omniscient being. It is as if Socrates himself were within our midst. You in your divine wisdom will someday define Energy Independence. And we shall be blessed to know your words, for only through them can we attain true enlightenment. I bow down before you and I worship you, WTF.

[WTF]

Originally Posted by Levianon17

It's impossible to be Energy Independent. Not unless the whole world has unobstructed access to an Energy Source and it's cost to obtain or use is minimal.

Originally Posted by WTF

Tell that to lustylad, our resident economist

Originally Posted by lustylad

Learn to follow your own advice.

Yes....I've already apologized for assuming you have half a brain.

I should have known even that apology would go over your empty head.

[WTF]

Originally Posted by Tiny

Oh thank you omniscient being. It is as if Socrates himself were within our midst. You in your divine wisdom will someday define Energy Independence. And we shall be blessed to know your words, for only through them can we attain true enlightenment. I bow down before you and I worship you, WTF.

I'm trying to get you away from the Jim Jones of economics!

[Why_Yes_I_Do]

Originally Posted by Precious_b

...But to that specific department of government you list. Seems to support the ease it should be to get those holes sunk in the ground....

LOL! I got a laugh out of that pithy intro. Need more light heartedness postings here. But we both know that ain't gonna happen.

“The nine most terrifying words in the English language are: ‘I’m from the government and I’m here to help.’”

Maybe someone should post a poll for everyone to nominate their favorite and highly efficient and customer focused government agency with highly skilled and efficient workers that provide rapid response times and quick resolutions at low cost. Also, consider the impact of intentional government (partisan at that) slow-walking.

I hope you don't believe what you wrote. Even if one leaps through the Seven Levels of Hell to submit the request, there is ZERO chance they are going to rapidly approve it.

As an example: To own a Class III weapon, that's like silencers, machine guns and short barrel rifles etc, it is pretty simple: Pay for the item, fill out a form and provide the $200 for the tax stamp and viola! Your done.

A-N-D you got nothing to show for it except you are $200 light now. T-h-e-n... maybe... in a year or two or so, you get issued your tax stamp and can now go pick up your device, which has been sitting in a vault the whole time. Now you can use it to your heart's content, according to local/state/federal laws. However, should one not have said tax stamp in your immediate possession when asked for by law enforcement - it's a felony.

Another 2nd amendment example: When purchasing a normal firearm (even if it is one of those SCARY looking jobbies - EEEEK!) from a dealer, you fill out a form and submit it. Approval can be instantaneous (like if you have a CC permit) or it can take up to 5 days. Congress specifically placed an 'issue unless'' clause - meaning if there was no apparent reason to reject the request like failed background or criminal record or failed ID matching, then they cannot hold up the request for more than 5 days. That specifically was put in there after much heated debate, name calling, wailing and gnashing of teeth, with the express purpose to keep a later administration from slow walking all requests indefinitely.

I am not aware of any such anti-slow-walking clause in the BLM process. It is entirely subject to partisanship as far as I can tell - though I've never actually attempted the process.