Ladies, Do you really think this makes a difference?

[Sexy Katrina]

Originally Posted by BFCjosh

My point is don't offer a special and then bitch about the guys who take you up on that special and publicly call them "asshats" because they "don't become regulars."

See your confused I didn't call them asshats becouse the don't become regulars. I love how your trying to turn this into a debate but you obviously don't understand My point so I'm gonna sign of and let the rest of you finish this. It will be a train wreck soon anyways. Have a great weekend !

[BFCjosh]

Originally Posted by Sexy Katrina

See your confused I didn't call them asshats becouse the don't become regulars.

My mistake. I guess they were asshats because they took the special. Your annoyance over them not becoming regulars is unrelated.

[citizen44]

Originally Posted by CarolineDavenport

Just because I charge more than someone else doesn't mean I think I'm better. Shame on you for trying to shame me.

Caroline, my apology if you believe my commentary was specifically geared at you. Let me assure you it was not. If you re-read my post, I was talking hi/lo volume, not price. I was more addressing comments made here and there on this board over the last six months, though there is a tad under current of that sentiment going on in this thread.

I'm in no way telling anyone how to live their life, so please do as you wish. I only offer these thoughts to those who think beyond what makes them happy today. We all come to this hobby with different needs and desires. But before shit canning my thoughts because they don't apply to you, it would be presumptuous of you to believe all providers think like you and that other people on here might not benefit from what the least of us might post.

[CarolineDavenport]

I guess I'm just confused by random gents on this board giving their advice to us ladies on how to run our businesses. You have never run this business. You know very little about the costs (time, monetary, physical, and mental) of our doing business. I don't go into a restaurant/store I've never eaten/shopped at and start unloading unsolicited advice at them on how to run their business. It is rude, and frankly not that helpful. Believe me when I say that anyone who WOULD listen to your advice, has already thought their business model through much more than you have. If she hasn't, she's probably not capable of recognizing and implementing good (or bad) advice anyway. I guess I consider it presumptuous of you to think we need the advice of someone who is not in the industry. It's kind of the same thing as thinking you know how to run a car manufacturing business just because you drive a car.

You seem to think that "low volume" is not a legitimate business format. I understand that to you, 4 appointments is better than 1. But you're not aware that, for instance, I have a very sensitive body. I usually need at least a few hours between partners to lose the heightened sensitivity from the friction. I simply CANNOT do appointment after appointment. It causes all sorts of "female problems" that are not pleasant for anyone. My business model keeps me healthy and happy and doesn't hurt my body. Your advice to consider a higher volume would be hazardous for me, not to mention doesn't sound fun to me. How much sex can a person really enjoy in a day? I'm sure that answer is different for everyone, but I know my answer, and I cater to it. You seem to assume that those of us who work less often do so because we just want to be lazy. That is not always the case, and I would argue it is rarely the case. You've probably never considered the "sensitive vajayjay that doesn't want a UTI" reason before because why would you? You're not a woman.

I'm not trying to be hostile. I know the written format is not the best for expressing tone. I'm not angry. A bit confused, and slightly offended, but not angry.

[enderwiggin]

What's confusing? Their advice is always of the "woman, your prices are too high" or the "you need to run a better special" variety. Seems pretty simple to me: they want to fuck you, just for less.

[Fancyinheels]

Originally Posted by CarolineDavenport

You're the only one I've seen even suggest that anyone thinks a $250/hr lady is somehow lesser than a $400/hr lady. None of us think that. The only thing I think is that she has to work harder to make $800-$1000 than I do. Which is true, if you go by hours BCD. I'd argue that the average $250/hr lady does likely make more money than me. That doesn't bother me, and kudos to her for being a go-getter. None of us think that "lower volume" means "I'm better than you." It is just a different business model. I don't get to tell her to raise her rates, any more than you get to tell me to lower mine. You think I should want to retire at 30. That I should work so much that I start to hate what I do just to chase the almighty dollar. I'm sorry, but that's your reality, not mine. I'm comfortable, I'm happy, I make enough money to live exactly as I please. It takes all kinds, love. Stop trying to tell us that we should all fit into YOUR idea of the perfect business model.

Sorry, I know I got off topic, but I really wanted to address those comments because that bothers me. Just because I charge more than someone else doesn't mean I think I'm better. Shame on you for trying to shame me.

Originally Posted by CarolineDavenport

I guess I'm just confused by random gents on this board giving their advice to us ladies on how to run our businesses. You have never run this business. You know very little about the costs (time, monetary, physical, and mental) of our doing business. I don't go into a restaurant/store I've never eaten/shopped at and start unloading unsolicited advice at them on how to run their business. It is rude, and frankly not that helpful. Believe me when I say that anyone who WOULD listen to your advice, has already thought their business model through much more than you have. If she hasn't, she's probably not capable of recognizing and implementing good (or bad) advice anyway. I guess I consider it presumptuous of you to think we need the advice of someone who is not in the industry. It's kind of the same thing as thinking you know how to run a car manufacturing business just because you drive a car.

You seem to think that "low volume" is not a legitimate business format. I understand that to you, 4 appointments is better than 1. But you're not aware that, for instance, I have a very sensitive body. I usually need at least a few hours between partners to lose the heightened sensitivity from the friction. I simply CANNOT do appointment after appointment. It causes all sorts of "female problems" that are not pleasant for anyone. My business model keeps me healthy and happy and doesn't hurt my body. Your advice to consider a higher volume would be hazardous for me, not to mention doesn't sound fun to me. How much sex can a person really enjoy in a day? I'm sure that answer is different for everyone, but I know my answer, and I cater to it. You seem to assume that those of us who work less often do so because we just want to be lazy. That is not always the case, and I would argue it is rarely the case. You've probably never considered the "sensitive vajayjay that doesn't want a UTI" reason before because why would you? You're not a woman.

I'm not trying to be hostile. I know the written format is not the best for expressing tone. I'm not angry. A bit confused, and slightly offended, but not angry.

I have THE utmost respect for Caroline, a beautiful and smart lady, and I agree with her on many points, but not all. There are, alas, quite a few people (providers and gents both) who think the $250/hour girl IS lesser than the $400 one, and have made their thoughts clearly known on ECCIE. 'Tis one of many misconceptions, as is the idea that the less expensive gal "has to work harder to make $800-$1000 than I do. Which is true, if you go by hours BCD." Why do we STILL perpetuate the myth that that ALL the time that an escort is paid for is BCD? I realize that is what many gents are looking for, but there is so much more involved if a lady is being a "companion" and not just a "provider." To me, an intense bedroom session of 1 hour for $400 is MUCH more work physically than a relaxing dinner date (several hours at anywhere from $500 to $1,000+, depending on the lady) where the couple goes out, has a great meal and conversation, and "dessert" progresses at a natural pace. However, the lady on the dinner date may find things more taxing mentally. She has to spiff up and stay "on" for an entire eve, smiling and happy, intellectually stimulating, accommodating and patient to the whims of another for a long period of time and not just 60 fleeting minutes. It's all relative.

I'm an older chick, so my body isn't as elastic as it used to be. I don't feel the need to see more gents to make up for that fact, or because I charge less than many other ladies. I don't think anyone in this thread was shaming anyone (well, maybe the girl offering a whopping $10 discount), calling them lazy, or suggesting that "low volume" isn't perfectly fine. High volume is fine, too, for those that choose to follow that business plan without burn-out, which is a talent in itself.

The gentlemen are entitled to their opinions, and their feedback can be very helpful. However, in the end, we ladies will do what we want, period. I LOVE the freedom this "job" allows us, and the opportunity to build a "business" based on, excuse the pun, hard work, as well as TCB skills, personality, presentation, and imagination.

[looking2havefun]

[QUOTE=Sexy Katrina;1055299166]I'm not sure your what's your point BFCJosh. I never said that they get worse service or that I don't appreciate them. If I didn't want them to take me up on my special I wouldn't run it.

I was fortunate enough to see Sexy Katrina during one of her "specials".
I found her attitude, service and everything else to be first rate. Everything her reviews led you to expect and she certainly delivered.

[Sexy Katrina]

[QUOTE=looking2havefun;10552999 12]

Originally Posted by Sexy Katrina

I'm not sure your what's your point BFCJosh. I never said that they get worse service or that I don't appreciate them. If I didn't want them to take me up on my special I wouldn't run it.

I was fortunate enough to see Sexy Katrina during one of her "specials".
I found her attitude, service and everything else to be first rate. Everything her reviews led you to expect and she certainly delivered.

Thank you sweetie! I am not going to get into it with "someone" who follows me around the board making mean and demeaning comments about everything I post. Especially someone I have never seen. I always give my clients the up most respect and try to make there time fun and memorable. Special discounts or not.

[Sexy Katrina]

Originally Posted by BFCjosh

My mistake. I guess they were asshats because they took the special. Your annoyance over them not becoming regulars is unrelated.

Your mistake, I accept your apologies.
I would not expect anything more from you.
Also I have not had nor have any annoyance, I have my regulars.
I was just making an observation. I like how your giving me special attention though :wink:

[Guest050715-1]

Originally Posted by citizen44

I'll say again, most providers have too much ego tied up in their pricing and justify it by describing how little they want to work. Live your life by what makes you happy.

No, you are reading it as such. What working girls want to do is make as much money as possible so they can have as much independence as possible. When a lady chooses this as a job or a career, they have to sell off too much to not reap the rewards of an incredible amount of leisure time and greater than average revenue than 75% of their social strata. There’s no ego to it.

Originally Posted by citizen44

I would caution though that a couple of the higher priced providers are starting to feel the financial impact that increasing age & weight have. Do you want to lay around the house all day during your peak beauty and health years, or do you want to make enough money now so that you can retire at 30?

This is just not true. You are greatly missing the point of elevated price points, and thinking about this strictly from a price sensitive, consumer’s view point. There is a DIRECT correlation between a lady’s hourly rate and how busy she stays. If a $300 lady is slow, she should raise rates or at least your minimum, e.g., $400 for 90 minutes minimum, if your looks will support it, to get out of the bulge in the bell curve. She WILL get busier because of her grandfathered clients, she will have less competition and the new, higher-end clientele, that place a higher value on her services, will come see her. She doesn’t even have to change a thing. Upping her rate / minimum does that for her. The idea of something being a luxury item simply because of the price point is a concept that is polar opposite concept of your overall thesis and price sensitive consuming, but, like it or not, it works. Neither concept is right or wrong. They both have their place. When I was working, I simply preferred to charge more and spend time with a gentlemen that placed a higher value on me with the added benefit of working less. That’s all.

Another factor in the idea of raising your rates and to generate more business is, I can guarantee you that ladies with the higher price points ($350 / hour and on up) sell far more multi-hour appointments than they do hourly appointments. First off, clients that pay the higher fees aren’t looking for a quickie. They are looking for an experience. They are looking for luxury not a blow and go. The experience with a pretty lady at the higher price points is social as well as private time. Time, I might add, that is being paid for.
It is much easier to gear up for one two to three hour encounter than it is to gear up for two or three one hour encounters. A three hour appointment is just that (not including travel and freshen up time.) Three, one hour appointments is MINIMUM of four hours. And that’s assuming they are back to back with a half hour in between.

Originally Posted by citizen44

I also see a lot of providers have a snobby attitude among themselves when saying they are low volume. Like somehow the providers who are working hard to pay for school or support kids are somehow lesser. You realize that even one client a week is 50 guys a year right? You think that's low volume in relation to what? You don't really think any of us guys buy that low volume description do you? Other providers are not your competition, time is.

No, that’s not what they said. They said they’d rather be fresh with a smile on their face rather than tired, worn out and pissy. It’s not a question of snobbery. It’s a question of what a lady can charge. If a lady can charge more per hour so she can work less and generate significantly more overall revenue than the market average, by all means she should. [/quote]

Originally Posted by citizen44

Caroline, my apology if you believe my commentary was specifically geared at you. Let me assure you it was not. If you re-read my post, I was talking hi/lo volume, not price.

You simply cannot separate volume and price. No one is going to book four appointments a day everyday at $350 and up unless she looks like Scarlet Johansson. And if she looked like Scarlet Johansson, she'd be charging upwards of $700 an hour and working once maybe twice a day. Price and volume go hand and hand.

[Guest062124]

I'm not really sure that discounts even matter to most.

When I do get the opportunity to offer them…they are pretty significant amounts off of my regular rates and several gentlemen who claim interest in meeting me, still do not schedule.

I appreciate the guys who take advantage of the "specials" I offer. It gives me a chance to meet someone whom I might not have had the opportunity to meet.

So… whether its $10 or $100 off….gentlemen are going to see who they want to see.

[Guest071514-1]

Originally Posted by citizen44

Just marketing. Some are good at it, and some are not.

There is one provider who has been advertising new lower rates, and all she did was go from 300/50 discount to 250/ no discount. Same product, different packaging. It's bound to work on some.

If providers put a little more thought into time/pricing, I guarantee they could significantly up their annual income for not a lot more effort. Too many get caught up in self image and value per hour, when the big win is in maximizing the revenue off the clients they do attract.

Providers need to be real about what discount actually will have an impact on the clients decision making process. 10? No 25? Maybe 50? Yes.

If the average Eccie rate is 250, I guarantee you will make multiples more than other providers by setting your base rate at 225/hr or 300/90 min. Guys love a bargain and will go for both of those. Especially pushing the 90 minute experience. Whats an extra hour and a half a day if you can go from 500 total a day to 900?

Or you can say "No way I'm charging leas than that ugly provider over there who charges 300". Do you want to make more money, or worry about the hourly rate of a woman who only gets booked twice a week and cant afford food?

The big caveat here is that you are a decent looking, HWP, and have good menu and service. If you are BBW or limited menu, you will find guys are far less price sensitive as you are in a niche market. Most of the threads on rate sensitivity have been posted by niche providers who didn't account for this in their results.

You make some excellent points sir!

[BFCjosh]

Originally Posted by Sexy Katrina

Your mistake, I accept your apologies.
I would not expect anything more from you.
Also I have not had nor have any annoyance, I have my regulars.
I was just making an observation. I like how your giving me special attention though :wink:

Katrina,

I think you may have mistaken me for someone else. I don't recall responding to a lot of your posts or making many posts about you.

But no one deserves to be trolled online so I went back and did searches to make sure I wasn't being overly harsh. I searched the forums where I was most likely to respond to you or make a comment about you, and while the searches may have missed something, this is what I found:

Reviews: since late Aug. 2013, I've commented on two of your reviews: 1) April 28, 2014, I commented that Poppy71 wasn't going to like the review that a guy did; 2) Sept 2013, I commented that ever since you posted that you liked COF, that I've wanted to paint your face.

ISO (since late last year): I recommended you to a guy who was looking for a provider who would dominant him

co-ed (since Oct 2013); 1) April 23, 2014 - in response to your comment about cops going through with a session, I stated that I had heard of males cops doing it, but not heard of females cops giving a BJ and then arresting the guy; 2) Oct. 13, 2013 - in response to your comment about a TV show that glamorized this business, I asked tongue-in-cheek "But don't you think this is a fun and great job"; 3) Oct. 1 -- you mentioned you didn't mind facials if it was at your incall and I responded that I would like to paint your face

Granted, search may have missed some. But I don't recall making a lot of responses to you.

[Guest051115]

Originally Posted by Reese Foster

I'm not really sure that discounts even matter to most.

When I do get the opportunity to offer them…they are pretty significant amounts off of my regular rates and several gentlemen who claim interest in meeting me, still do not schedule.

I appreciate the guys who take advantage of the "specials" I offer. It gives me a chance to meet someone whom I might not have had the opportunity to meet.

So… whether its $10 or $100 off….gentlemen are going to see who they want to see.

^ This.

I don't care how much you charge (unless it's too low) or how much you earn it's your business to run and my personal finances to manage / control. My only real concerns are safety and security and if the price is too low then those two concerns are magnified for me. If I want to spend basically nothing on a civie girl, $500 on regular escort or 5k on a real porn-star it's my call. I'm not knocking the MO but I think the discounts and price breaks becomes a real issue for johns when hobbying becomes the primary or only source of comfort.

[Lexieinhouston]

Originally Posted by CarolineDavenport

I guess I'm just confused by random gents on this board giving their advice to us ladies on how to run our businesses. You have never run this business. You know very little about the costs (time, monetary, physical, and mental) of our doing business. I don't go into a restaurant/store I've never eaten/shopped at and start unloading unsolicited advice at them on how to run their business. It is rude, and frankly not that helpful. Believe me when I say that anyone who WOULD listen to your advice, has already thought their business model through much more than you have. If she hasn't, she's probably not capable of recognizing and implementing good (or bad) advice anyway. I guess I consider it presumptuous of you to think we need the advice of someone who is not in the industry. It's kind of the same thing as thinking you know how to run a car manufacturing business just because you drive a car.

You seem to think that "low volume" is not a legitimate business format. I understand that to you, 4 appointments is better than 1. But you're not aware that, for instance, I have a very sensitive body. I usually need at least a few hours between partners to lose the heightened sensitivity from the friction. I simply CANNOT do appointment after appointment. It causes all sorts of "female problems" that are not pleasant for anyone. My business model keeps me healthy and happy and doesn't hurt my body. Your advice to consider a higher volume would be hazardous for me, not to mention doesn't sound fun to me. How much sex can a person really enjoy in a day? I'm sure that answer is different for everyone, but I know my answer, and I cater to it. You seem to assume that those of us who work less often do so because we just want to be lazy. That is not always the case, and I would argue it is rarely the case. You've probably never considered the "sensitive vajayjay that doesn't want a UTI" reason before because why would you? You're not a woman.

I'm not trying to be hostile. I know the written format is not the best for expressing tone. I'm not angry. A bit confused, and slightly offended, but not angry.

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