Tesla! I want one!

[roscoe14850]

Originally Posted by Celso

DUD..... Ya simply watch the battery gauge, like ya watch yer gas gauge now, then recharge it when it gets low.... Jimmy Ballzyless.


Guess your not paying attention Jimmy Ballzyless......
Most Electricity production is now shifting away from being COAL generated to being Natural Gas generated.....

wrong.

Coal 39%, Nat. Gas 27%, Nuclear 19%. fact check here:
https://www.eia.gov/tools/faqs/faq.cfm?id=427&t=3

and they will need pipelines to push Natural gas to areas that currently use coal to generate electricity, pipelines are not easy to get built and have their own problems.
http://www.hcn.org/articles/natural-...change-methane
http://insideclimatenews.org/news/20...rd-study-finds

Those "clean" electric cars have a dirty secret called rare earths. Those batteries are dirty as hell to make & recycle, just some food for thought before ripping on combustion engines. BOTH are far from perfect.
http://www.digitaltrends.com/cars/ho...ironment-know/

[trojantide]

Hey, a SHMB is no place for facts or common sense. Only parroting talking points and spewing vitriol allowed. You should know better Roscoe.

Thanks for the informative links.

[Guest070916]

Yup! .... And the FACTS are Tesla rated Number 1!

Tesla’s Model S P85D Just Broke Consumer Reports’ Ratings System, Scoring 103 Out Of 100

[roscoe14850]

Originally Posted by trojantide

Hey, a SHMB is no place for facts or common sense. Only parroting talking points and spewing vitriol allowed. You should know better Roscoe.

Thanks for the informative links.

You're welcome.

I'd put money down there will be a huge stink over li-ion batteries and the pollution surrounding their manufacture & recycling over the next 10-15 years. All power generation is messy business, including wind and solar, when you get done factoring in ALL aspects of environmental impact. There is no magic pill to solve our energy needs. All sources need to be taken advantage of.

[Guest070916]

Originally Posted by roscoe14850

There is no magic pill to solve our energy needs.

Actually there is, the fuel cell.

The fuel cell got us on the moon and back, super clean, pollution free and runs on water. This technology has been around since before it was used to get us on the moon but but but powerful energy Interests, Big Oil, Nuke and Utilities, et al., want to make SURE it's kept hidden on the back-burner and treated as pie-in-the-sky tech because it will put ALL of these greedy bastards, who have us all by the nutz, out of business!.....

A stationary fuel cell in yer home basement will produce all yer heat and electricity and charge all yer electric vehicles be they small medium and those BIG land cruisers we Muricans really want!.....

[Plastic Man]

lol

[trojantide]

Well the reasons fuel cells have failed so far is well documented. It comes down to the hydrogen needed to run them is dangerous as hell. It's really awesome technology but there's no huge conspiracy keeping them out of the marketplace.
I agree We need to be pursuing a lot of options until dominant a option comes along.

[Guest070916]

Originally Posted by trojantide

Well the reasons fuel cells have failed so far is well documented. It comes down to the hydrogen needed to run them is dangerous as hell.

Looking at it that way ya can make a case that gasoline fueled vehicles are moving Molotov cocktails and pretty dangerous as hell too!...

If peeps believed these scare tactics the US would have never landed on the moon or the Manhattan Project would have never built the A-Bomb!

Oh but this is about autos..... which brings to mind this same myopic thincking went on back then by some when they saw the first autos driving down the street....they laughed and yelled ....."Get a horse!".....


Point is we need a Manhattan Style Project to build working Fuel Cells!
Hydrogen is the ticket!.....and this scares the fuck out of BIG Energy interests!

[roscoe14850]

Originally Posted by Celso

Looking at it that way ya can make a case that gasoline fueled vehicles are moving Molotov cocktails and pretty dangerous as hell too!...

If peeps believed these scare tactics the US would have never landed on the moon or the Manhattan Project would have never built the A-Bomb!

Oh but this is about autos..... which brings to mind this same myopic thincking went on back then by some when they saw the first autos driving down the street....they laughed and yelled ....."Get a horse!".....


Point is we need a Manhattan Style Project to build working Fuel Cells!
Hydrogen is the ticket!.....and this scares the fuck out of BIG Energy interests!

Ok, comparing the risk of hauling around gas to dragging around a tank of hydrogen is like comparing a firecracker to a stick of dynamite. I went to school with three guys that went on to get Masters degrees in Mechanical Engineering. Two work for Cooper-Cameron, and another for Dresser-Rand. These happen to be the only two companies that build the gas compressors for truly large scale hydrogen separators. These separators are usually installed in far flung places like Vietnam, India, China, Pakistan. Why? Dangerous & risky as hell! One of the by-products of the separation process is hydrogen sulfide which under pressure eats away at seals causing.....leaks. These facilities spend a lot of time under maintenance and are extremely difficult to operate. Although Hydrogen is a potentially plentiful resource it is still not viable on large scale (supplying the 256 million road vehicles currently registered in the USA) & remains highly volatile. Anybody that has forgotten how combustible hydrogen is can refer to the picture below.

[Guest070916]

Originally Posted by roscoe14850

Ok, comparing the risk of hauling around gas to dragging around a tank of hydrogen is like comparing a firecracker to a stick of dynamite.

Please....the same scare BS used to be said of Nuclear, that it would never be safe!
Yet its been powering our US Navy for how many years???.......
Not to mention all the electricity it produces......

Hydrogen is the ticket! Just needs a concerted Gov effort to harness it as was done with Atomic power!.....

[roscoe14850]

Originally Posted by Celso

Please....the same scare BS used to be said of Nuclear, that it would never be safe!
Yet its been powering our US Navy for how many years???.......
Not to mention all the electricity it produces......

Hydrogen is the ticket! Just needs a concerted Gov effort to harness it as was done with Atomic power!.....

You mean like Fukushima, Chernobl, and Three Mile Island? Here is a list of reported nuclear accidents since the 1940's

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List...lear_accidents

I'm glad that you are optimistic but sometimes facts are just facts no matter how much you want to ignore them. Navy nukes go through extensive & rigorous training & must still continuously drill and prepare for the what ifs. Not exactly the technology I would want to see in the hands of Joe Shmoe or Betty Housewife who can't even remember to put air in the tires because they are too engrossed in their Starbucks Frappalattechino. Hydrogen for fuel cells is stored at 10,000psi. Car fires burn really good but don't explode like you see in the movies, ask any fireman or emergency responder. When a 10,000psi tank filled with hydrogen fails....it's gonna be VERY noticeable.

[Bluee]

Originally Posted by Celso

Actually there is, the fuel cell.

The fuel cell got us on the moon and back, super clean, pollution free and runs on water. This technology has been around since before it was used to get us on the moon but but but powerful energy Interests, Big Oil, Nuke and Utilities, et al., want to make SURE it's kept hidden on the back-burner and treated as pie-in-the-sky tech because it will put ALL of these greedy bastards, who have us all by the nutz, out of business!.....

A stationary fuel cell in yer home basement will produce all yer heat and electricity and charge all yer electric vehicles be they small medium and those BIG land cruisers we Muricans really want!.....

And where do you propose we get hydrogen from?

Steam methane reformers are not pollution free.

Splitting water is not pollution free.

Bringing it by barge from the sun or other stars is not pollution free.

[Highwayman64]

Originally Posted by Celso

Have seen a few at the 'Supercharge Station' at Eastern Hills Mall and talked with the owners.
They all luv their Tesla, one guy has two of them!....

Same here....I had an opportunity to drive one while in Florida last month. Crazy fast, positive drive with a motor powering each wheel. This particular owner is waiting on his ludicrous upgrade but holy shit was it crazy fast. The best part is you can be racing around town and no one can hear you, pretty cool.

[offshoredrilling]

Originally Posted by roscoe14850

You mean like Fukushima, Chernobl, and Three Mile Island? Here is a list of reported nuclear accidents since the 1940's

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List...lear_accidents

I'm glad that you are optimistic but sometimes facts are just facts no matter how much you want to ignore them. Navy nukes go through extensive & rigorous training & must still continuously drill and prepare for the what ifs. Not exactly the technology I would want to see in the hands of Joe Shmoe or Betty Housewife who can't even remember to put air in the tires because they are too engrossed in their Starbucks Frappalattechino. Hydrogen for fuel cells is stored at 10,000psi. Car fires burn really good but don't explode like you see in the movies, ask any fireman or emergency responder. When a 10,000psi tank filled with hydrogen fails....it's gonna be VERY noticeable.

Acetylene steel tanks seen exploding left are only filled to 250-psi whereas the carbon composite hydrogen tanks under fuel cell or ICE cars currently have a working pressure of around 5,000-psi which can be increased to 10,000-psi to get more range.

[Guest070916]

Originally Posted by roscoe14850

You mean like Fukushima, Chernobl, and Three Mile Island? Here is a list of reported nuclear accidents since the 1940's
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List...lear_accidents

Please ALL energy systems have failures!!!......WHEW.....
FACT: BIG OIL has had MORE energy disasters than Nuke power, be they Oil tankers sinking/running aground, Oil spills all over the world like Alaska from pipelines failing, etc., Oil Rigs Blowing UP...ferget bouts BP fuckup in the Gulf, BIGTIME, did ya, Oil refineries Blowing up in the States, oh and Hugo Chavez's oil refinery in Venezuela..... that just may have been 'torched' by our CIA.....LOL!!! This LIST of BIG OIL FUCKUPS is farking Endless compared to Atomic power generation!!!

Couple that with FUCKING Republican Deregulation that now allows these FUCKING BIG OIL Crooks to raise pump prices at will EVERY TIME one of these farkups Occur!
Right now Oil trades at ~31 dollars/BBL. Last time it was that low we were paying 70 cents to a buck fer a gallon of gasoline! WTF we pay still over 2 bucks a gallon!!!! WHY???

Us Libs don't like getting fucked over by BIG OIL.
You mind numbed Cuntservatives don't mind since getting fucked raw by the Oligarchy running the US into the toilet comes natural fer you....ya just bend over and takes it dry ....with a Sweeeeet smile as yer Cuntservative mentor & guide Plassy Mum, would sigh!!!....

Originally Posted by Bluee

And where do you propose we get hydrogen from?

Guess ya never took HS Chemistry where we got Oxygen and Hydrogen from simple electrolysis in the HS lab with NO pollution!
When H2 burns all it produces is water vapor!!!.....

Originally Posted by offshoredrilling

Acetylene steel tanks seen exploding left are only filled to 250-psi whereas the carbon composite hydrogen tanks under fuel cell or ICE cars currently have a working pressure of around 5,000-psi which can be increased to 10,000-psi to get more range. [/B]
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Funny ALL the Acetylene steel tanks at places I werked at over the years had gauges showing they were filled to 5,000-psi.

Were those 250-psi Acetylene tanks you speak of BOCES school training tanks????.....ijs....