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FirePhoenix · 05-31-2017, 01:07 PM

I would like to add that while most people that chose to pass from this life are in a state of hopelessness, isolation, ect, that's not true for every case. There are some that choose tjat path because it's already known that they will die in tremendous pain, loss of body functions, or total loss cognitive function. Taking steps as to not be a burden on the family

Shadowsinthedark · 05-31-2017, 10:09 PM

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Originally Posted by FirePhoenix

I would like to add that while most people that chose to pass from this life are in a state of hopelessness, isolation, ect, that's not true for every case. There are some that choose tjat path because it's already known that they will die in tremendous pain, loss of body functions, or total loss cognitive function. Taking steps as to not be a burden on the family

agreed

Kickrocks · 06-01-2017, 05:36 AM

Smh

FirePhoenix · 06-01-2017, 07:05 AM

I didn't get to finish what I was writing and then I forgot about the post.I'm not trying to condone a person choosing to take that path for the end of their life. For people that have a terminal illness, yes it's fully their choice to have a QUALITY of life over QUNITY of life. There are others that have true traumatic and emotional trauma that they just deal with anymore and choose that path to end their pain. Are there lots of people that are simply lost and feel hopeless in their situation and improperly make that decision - yes most suicides are that. If you do have a loved one that show signs of going in that direction then take the first step to saving their life. LISTEN to them. DON'T talk over them or at them. DON'T say "think about what it will do to their families ". You do those 2 things then you might as well just hand them the noose for their neck as you say such things.

Kickrocks · 06-01-2017, 02:30 PM

Exactly! Don't give 2 fucks what it would do to the family of someone that does it.

Tell them your not important enough for me to want to stay.

I'm fucking done. Both of you grow the fuck up. There are other ways to get attention that don't include suicide.

Peace out.

Ps.shadow dude, happy you found tkd or whichever one it was.

FirePhoenix · 06-01-2017, 04:46 PM

Kicks, sadly it's you that needs to grow up. There are many different reasons as to why someone will choose that path. You choose to talk at a person rather than to listen to a person.

Kickrocks · 06-01-2017, 05:17 PM

Lets throw this out there.

How would you feel if one of your kids did that?

That's how they'd feel if you did it.

Shadowsinthedark · 06-01-2017, 10:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Kickrocks

Exactly! Don't give 2 fucks what it would do to the family of someone that does it.

Tell them your not important enough for me to want to stay.

I'm fucking done. Both of you grow the fuck up. There are other ways to get attention that don't include suicide.

Peace out.

Ps.shadow dude, happy you found tkd or whichever one it was.

If I came off as childish that wasn't my intention and I apologize. Just trying to offer a viewpoint you haven't considered. And I didn't take up Taekwondo.... I took up tkd, goju ryu and shorin ji karate, aikijujitsu, Brazilian jujitsu, boxing, Kobudo (Okinawan weaponry/ nunchucku, bo, sai, kama, eku), Iaido/Kenjutsu, and HEMA (Historical European Martial Arts.) And I'm good... real good.. toot toot <---- that's my horn... now I'm being childish

Shadowsinthedark · 06-01-2017, 10:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Kickrocks

Lets throw this out there.

How would you feel if one of your kids did that?

That's how they'd feel if you did it.

I would feel like I didn't listen and I wasn't there enough. I would feel like I didn't see the signs clearly and didn't get him the help he needed and it's my fault for that cuz he's a kid and my responsibility. And I would feel broken.... I wouldn't feel like he was being selfish or trying to get back at me. I would see this as the last the final symptom of a disease of the brain caused by severe chemical imbalances brought on by familial predisposition and environmental triggers. I'm going to reiterate this, but a suicidal person does not have the ability to think like that. "How would they feel? Bad." A suicidal person thinks that by killing them self it is the right choice and will make their families lives easier. You know it won't it will make the families life worse.. I know it won't... now... but a person in that state of mind at that time doesn't know that and can't think in those terms. It's the mental equivalent of asking a paraplegic to pole vault. Hope I made that understandable. If not I tried.

FirePhoenix · 06-05-2017, 04:52 PM

To kicks, first of all if one of my children felt like choosing that path that hopefully I would recognise the signs. I would listen to them. It's something that I do now- I listen to what they are saying and talk with them though their problems and hurts. If they took that finally step of course it would devastate me ,but I would hope that they are truly free of whatever had hurt them to the point of them wanting or needing that release from whatever the pain was.

gt27 · 06-10-2017, 09:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Kickrocks

Exactly! Don't give 2 fucks what it would do to the family of someone that does it.

Tell them your not important enough for me to want to stay.

I'm fucking done. Both of you grow the fuck up. There are other ways to get attention that don't include suicide.

Peace out.

Ps.shadow dude, happy you found tkd or whichever one it was.

Wow, just wow.

I know that dark alley because I walked it's path once. I was really in a bad spot and it had nothing to do with "wanting attention" or whatever bullshit you are spewing. I hate that I come off as an asshole to you all the time but it is because you are just so wrong about so many issues. Also, some people are more prone to depression due genetics, concussions etc.

And it's not as easy to get help as you would think. It took me 3+ months to get into a therapist and that was three months where I really thought that my loved ones would be better off without me. I isolated myself, hated who I was and what I was doing for a living. I appreciate my life so much more now that I have been on that side.

What if my kid took her life? How would I feel? I would be absolutely devastated and I would I would question what I did in failing to prevent this. There are signs, many signs, exhibited by one before he or she commits suicide. https://www.save.org/about-suicide/w...ctive-factors/
Ignoring those signs exhibited from a loved one is an act. I, for one, would not stand by and watch.

Kickrocks · 06-10-2017, 10:02 PM

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Wow, just wow.

I know that dark alley because I walked it's path once. I was really in a bad spot and it had nothing to do with "wanting attention" or whatever bullshit you are spewing. I hate that I come off as an asshole to you all the time but it is because you are just so wrong about so many issues. Also, some people are more prone to depression due genetics, concussions etc.

And it's not as easy to get help as you would think. It took me 3+ months to get into a therapist and that was three months where I really thought that my loved ones would be better off without me. I isolated myself, hated who I was and what I was doing for a living. I appreciate my life so much more now that I have been on that side.

What if my kid took her life? How would I feel? I would be absolutely devastated and I would I would question what I did in failing to prevent this. There are signs, many signs, exhibited by one before he or she commits suicide. https://www.save.org/about-suicide/w...ctive-factors/
Ignoring those signs exhibited from a loved one is an act. I, for one, would not stand by and watch.

If You walked that path then you know you can stop it cause you did, right? You don't stay here for yourself, you stay for your loved ones.

I know nothing I tell someone in that mindset will help them. They need to make an effort to get the help they need. See a doc, take their meds.
I do agree with the wait time to see a doc the first time is way longer than it should be. That is defiantly something that needs to be fixed.

I also agree with it being genetic. Most of the time it is passed down from parent to child. The parent has a responsibility to keep an eye out for it and intervene as quickly as possible.

Your not the only one that has walked that path. I know it can get better.

Ps I'm an asshole too!

gt27 · 06-10-2017, 11:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Kickrocks

If You walked that path then you know you can stop it cause you did, right? You don't stay here for yourself, you stay for your loved ones.

I know nothing I tell someone in that mindset will help them. They need to make an effort to get the help they need. See a doc, take their meds.
I do agree with the wait time to see a doc the first time is way longer than it should be. That is defiantly something that needs to be fixed.

I also agree with it being genetic. Most of the time it is passed down from parent to child. The parent has a responsibility to keep an eye out for it and intervene as quickly as possible.

Your not the only one that has walked that path. I know it can get better.

Ps I'm an asshole too!

And here I am agreeing with you.

It is a tough road and it is a road that I wish I hadn't gone down but I am glad I made it through. The big help is the ability to afford a therapist. Meds can only do so much, therapy is how you learn to help yourself in the long run.

The only thing I disagree about your post is that you don't think you you can help. Sometimes just telling someone that you are concerned is all you need to say.

Cheers.