Should those on welfare/medicare lose the right to vote?

[the_real_Barleycorn]

Originally Posted by MT Pockets

Boeing
Alcoa
Intel
GM
Ford
Fiat/Mopar
Royal Dutch Shell
Nike
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporate_welfare

If you think a tax break is not welfare then you are even dumber than I estimated. Then again since you do not even know what half the shit you type even means, you may mean something all together different then.

Let me give you an example of Corporate welfare.That effects me. I own a company. I have to pay taxes on everything I own and all the merchandise and supplies I have on the shelves. If a corporation wants to open a place next door they negotiate with the city to not have the pay property tax for a certain term. like 10 years or so. When the time is up, they renegotiate the terms. I know you enjoy jumping in on all the threads that spiral down into name calling, but leave the thinking to the rest of us.

Subsidy
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subsidy
So if you can read then you know what that means now. So when you go down to the store and buy your potted meat and Geritol, You benefit from them not paying taxes. So now who is on Welfare again?

Watch where you point that gun...you're liable to blow your own head off. You seem to be your own worst enemy on this topic. Like it has been said, allowing someone to KEEP their money is not welfare and you just made that point but still insist on not understanding what you just said. Let's take that company again. Instead of paying less or even no taxes, that company recieves taxpayer money for moving into an area and pays no taxes. That would be a case of welfare. You were correct about one thing; leave the thinking to those who can.

Back to the OP; I have long been an advocate of "no representation without taxation". If you don't pay taxes, you don't vote. I exempt the elderly who have long paid taxes, the disabled who have little choice about paying taxes, and the active duty veteran who paying their taxes with their service (why tax them twice?). I don't really know enough about either Medicaid or Medicare as I don't qualify for either to comment on that. Corporations though...corporations don't vote, their people do and they pay taxes. Corporate "welfare" is not really welfare. It is a side deal the government makes to get a corporation into an area. We have a homesteaders law in Kansas still. You move yourself (and your family) to a remote or blighted area and you get a substancial tax break. You're performing a service for the state and that tax cut is not a handout, it is a payout for services rendered.

[bambino]

Originally Posted by MT Pockets

As always you have the most insightful comments.
How would you know what anyone does for a living? Maybe you are one of those census workers that drive around asking questions.

Read your post asshole. You ask me "how would you know what anyone does for a living" when a few posts before YOU said you owned a company. Thats how the fuck I know you moron. You don't even remember what you post. So go fuck yourself. And by reading your thoughts on business and taxation, you don't have the smarts to run a lemonade stand. Is that what happened, Walmart moved next to your lemonade stand? What a chalooch.

[garhkal]

Originally Posted by dilbert firestorm

corporations/business with govt. - CEO's & business owners shouldn't be allowed to vote if they get a contract with the govt. most of them have the money to lobby the govt. for special favors. these favors generally come in the form of corporate welfare which is another name for subsidies.

Now that's a damn good idea.. Your company has a govt contract, NO vote for you!

Originally Posted by MT Pockets

Has there ever been a thread that you did not just add a bunch of nonsense?

From the barely a month i've been here, not from my POV..
But then this is the politics forum where anything goes it seems..

But then again based on the sheer amount of cussing and insults i've seen hurled around here, if even 1/10th the stuff here went on at a # of the other forums i am on, there would be at least a dozen people getting life time bans..

[MT Pockets]

Originally Posted by tonyvicksa

I always laugh when people make "Big Oil" and Corporations out to be villains. If you have a diversified 401K you are probable an owner in most if not all of these companies.

Just like when people bitched about BP paying a dividend! Not paying it did not hurt BP. It hurt all the share holders AKA OWNERS. Some of whom were probably going to use it for living expenses, collage tuition, food.

Not being able to make the connection that these large corps are owned ultimately by the general public is sad.

Originally Posted by MT Pockets

The corporate welfare is supposed to be helping us all. I bet it helps the upper management and shareholders the most. I think very few middle and lower employees see any benefit from it. And the consumers would see very little as well.
Those( politicians) that push Corporate Welfare are going after voters at the top just as they do for the lower spectrum .
By one standard we all are on welfare.

Your reply would be great if it was in context. If you read all of my opinions of this you would see I did show how it trickles down all the way to the shareholder and consumer.

[MT Pockets]

Originally Posted by garhkal

From the barely a month i've been here, not from my POV..
But then this is the politics forum where anything goes it seems..

But then again based on the sheer amount of cussing and insults i've seen hurled around here, if even 1/10th the stuff here went on at a # of the other forums i am on, there would be at least a dozen people getting life time bans..

I admit that I am pretty bad at hurling insults back at them. What I do not understand is the ones that clog every thread with a bunch of made up names and supposed meeting places. It reminds me of kids playing pretend. There are a few that I disagree with that can hold a conversation. Way too many seem to only respond with insults.

[RyanFromTER]

I see where you are trying to go with this. My initial reaction is "Sounds like a plan".

But then there are the finer points and some politician, liberal or BLM calling it racist.

[dilbert firestorm]

Originally Posted by dilbert firestorm

welfare recipients shouldn't be allowed to vote. if they are off of it for a period of 2 years or 1 election cycle as defined by the state before they could vote again.

Medicaid - same as above.

Medicare - I'd leave this group alone.

corporations/business with govt. - CEO's & business owners shouldn't be allowed to vote if they get a contract with the govt. most of them have the money to lobby the govt. for special favors. these favors generally come in the form of corporate welfare which is another name for subsidies.
-best known subsidies are the agriculture subsidies where we pay farmers not to grow shit.
-Corn subsidies to support EPA ethanol mandate

I would like to expand on this just for kicks.

the military & federal employees (the administrative state) should not have to pay any taxes. I do think they should be restricted from voting for the president of the U.S.A., house & senate members. they can vote in state & local elections. I think the Hatch act is not enough to counteract the inherent built-in conflict of interest in the deep state that is politicized.

[papadee]

Originally Posted by garhkal

OK. So if someone's a Ward of the state (Prisons, mental institutions, orphanages etc) while they are a ward, they lose the right to vote..

How many 18 y/o are in orphanages?

[garhkal]

Originally Posted by papadee

How many 18 y/o are in orphanages?

None to my knowledge. BUT if you survive cause of medicade assistance (ie have to have 2 medical helpers each day, and so on), are those people ALSO not effectively wards of the state LIKE someone at an orphanage/in jail are?

[MT Pockets]

Originally Posted by bambino

If Pocket Pool owns a company then SnitchFuck actually builds high end homes. What a bunch of dreamers.

Originally Posted by MT Pockets

As always you have the most insightful comments.
How would you know what anyone does for a living? Maybe you are one of those census workers that drive around asking questions.

Originally Posted by bambino

Look dumbass, SnitchFuck said he was a home builder and you just posted you owned a company. I'm just commenting on what you said. Do you own a company or are you bullshitting. It' seems to me you are full of shit. As LL stated, why didn't you negotiate a better tax rate for your business. Are too stupid or lazy? I would say both and you never owned a business.

Originally Posted by MT Pockets

Don't play the poor little child that got his hand slapped. You was a smart ass to me so I was one right back. Yes I own a company. No it is not a major corporation. And If you think all companies can negotiate the property tax system them you need to bow out of the conversation. Do I have a tax attorney help me keep the cost down yes. Do I get a break as in no taxes for 10 years no. Unless you are a heavy hitter and can leverage yourself by building just over the city or county line, You are not gonna get much help from the city. Now I do know who to have a lunch meeting with and how much to leave in a envelope on the table when needing a permit or CO approved. I prefer to be straight up in business though. I do not even know who "snichfuck" is but if you are so sure I do not own my own business, I bet we can figure out a wager worth my trouble.

Originally Posted by bambino

Read your post asshole. You ask me "how would you know what anyone does for a living" when a few posts before YOU said you owned a company. Thats how the fuck I know you moron. You don't even remember what you post. So go fuck yourself. And by reading your thoughts on business and taxation, you don't have the smarts to run a lemonade stand. Is that what happened, Walmart moved next to your lemonade stand? What a chalooch.

What a fucking idiot you are. So are you saying the way you know what I do for a living is because I told you? Then why are you saying I do not own my own company if your evidence is me saying I do? I guess that double talk bullshit works on you lemmings. I do not fall for that taking shit out of context game.

I said I own my own business.
You said you did not think I did.
I said how would you know what anyone does for a living.

You are a fucking moron at best. Or should I say you post like a moron, you may not even be that far up the intellectual ladder.

You are just another one of those guys that try to distort every thread . Fuck off.
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I noticed you did not respond to making a wager. Funny how all you pittsburg clowns have the same MO

[Yssup Rider]

Originally Posted by bambino

Look dumbass, SnitchFuck said he was a home builder and you just posted you owned a company. I'm just commenting on what you said. Do you own a company or are you bullshitting. It' seems to me you are full of shit. As LL stated, why didn't you negotiate a better tax rate for your business. Are too stupid or lazy? I would say both and you never owned a business.

And EATLER is a ward of the state. A Montgomery Ward of the state.

Obviously he is unable to vote. But that doesn't stop him eating threads with his ignorant lemming rants.

[bambino]

Originally Posted by Yssup Rider

And EATLER is a ward of the state. A Montgomery Ward of the state.

Obviously he is unable to vote. But that doesn't stop him eating threads with his ignorant lemming rants.

Quit posting that disgusting selfie. You Hitler loving, cocksucking pig. I voted for the winner. You voted for the loser. Now go suck some cocks.

[Yssup Rider]

How long before you get banned again, Limpdick?

Took you all of one day to go back on your ravenous rampage.

No buffet is safe tonight!

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

[bambino]

PIG

[dilbert firestorm]

Originally Posted by Yssup Rider

How long before you get banned again, Limpdick?

Took you all of one day to go back on your ravenous rampage.

No buffet is safe tonight!

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

after saying Eatler so many times, you're shitting dingleberries.

You need to clean up!!!