Here is what Mike Flynn said to Russian Amb.

[Munchmasterman]

All this bullshit to avoid admitting Flynn lied.
All this douche-speak is just an attempt to justify the actions of a lying and corrupt asshole who was chanting "Lock her up." when he should have checked his own behavior.

Originally Posted by HedonistForever

Here is the gist of the article you posted, no different than the one I did with Mother Jones.



Where does it say that a policy of the previous administration is sacrosanct and can't be altered or changed? And where in the call did it say what those changes if any would be? It could just as easily turned out that the sanctions would remain which I think they did, right?


Any other policies the new President couldn't change from the Obama administration or are you and the writer just talkin out your ass now. Hell, the Obama administration wanted to "reset" relations with Russia. What do you have to reset if they hadn't done something Obama objected to but wanted to forgive and forget?





Because the premise was correct. Obama was making a decision as to how the new President must react when Obama himself did not want to be constrained by his own first term policy and was willing to be more flexible in his second term.




And that wasn't in the interest of the US but was in the interest of Russia being shown to be weak by not retaliating? Your head is spinning so fast you can't even make sense of what you are saying.





Well, thanks for that I guess.


They were, however, part of a secret channel of communications,


Secret channel? Was the conversation encrypted? Can a channel the NSA is listening to be described as a "secret channel"? What a preposterous thing to say but that's what happens when you get out ahead of your skies trying to make something out of nothing.






And what exactly was that common interest other than not to escalate a battle of sanctions? Did I miss something? was this "common interest" spelled out or made up in the minds of conspiracy theorist?


One word that might describe this relationship would be “collusion.”


One word that might describe this article is "delusion" but I'll bite, they colluded to do what exactly and this collusion better be found in the words of the conversation or it's just bullshit on your part, contrived bullshit.


But hey, that was a much better but still lame attempt at debate compared to your last attempt. So, what was the collusion? To do what exactly? Election is over so no colluding there. Sanctions not only remained on but were increased and signed off by Trump. What exactly did Russia get for Trump being elected by Russian trolls on Facebook? Let's see, an armed Ukraine with tank killing missiles something Obama wouldn't supply and an energy policy that damn near bankrupted Russia. Yeah, Trump was a real boon to Russia... in your imagination.

[The_Waco_Kid]

Originally Posted by eccieuser9500

Wrong. The problem is that nobody in the administration wants to prosecute. Thay is a different debate. I've been on the record here before. Before you came on the scene. I think.


An actual debate. Here? None. The "almost" head of NATIONAL SECURITY was selling out the country. For anyone who's put on the uniform, he is a fuckin' disgrace.


New Transcript Shows Trump Adviser Michael Flynn Colluding With Russia in 2016


https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020...sanctions.html

Flynn’s discussions with Kislyak were not part of a criminal conspiracy. They were, however, part of a secret channel of communications, the premise of which was that the two parties had a secret common interest against the United States government. One word that might describe this relationship would be “collusion.”


if yous say so!

[dilbert firestorm]

you and the writer of that article are delusional.. there was no collusion.

the collusion would have to benefit U.S. there was no benefit here. whatever russian planned to do would prolly have no effect on U.S.

Obama was busy burning bridges on his way out. the sanctions policy was a way to box trump in on that policy. Russia would have certainly retaliated if not for the secret communications that convinced Putin not to retaliate. this act did not benefit Russia in terms of PR exercise.


this exercise certainly did not benefit Trump.

[dilbert firestorm]

that fbi perjury law (technical perjury) is a bad law and should be repealed.

its too easy to abuse the due process of the accused.

[matchingmole]

Flynn is still guilty as hell....

[The_Waco_Kid]

Originally Posted by matchingmole

Flynn is still guilty as hell....of breathing

ftfy

[dilbert firestorm]

Originally Posted by The_Waco_Kid

matchingmole is still guilty as hell....of breathing.

ftfy

[Jacuzzme]

They were, however, part of a secret channel of communications, the premise of which was that the two parties had a secret common interest against the United States government. One word that might describe this relationship would be “collusion.”

Secret communications? So secret that it was getting recorded? Flynn was the incoming National Security Advisor, it’s his fucking job to “collude” with foreign leaders, dipshit. President-elect Trump and his emissaries had every right to communicate with whom ever they want, including preparing them for planned policy changes. They were, in fact, elected to do exactly that.

[oeb11]

Originally Posted by matchingmole

Flynn is still guilty as hell....

Thank You - mm for your one person judge, jury, and execution sentence on flynn.

Typical DPST hypocrisy - while H... is free - U are doing Ur best to put an honorable man in prison.

I hope the FBI has a conversation with U some day!

[HedonistForever]

Originally Posted by Jacuzzme

Secret communications? So secret that it was getting recorded? Flynn was the incoming National Security Advisor, it’s his fucking job to “collude” with foreign leaders, dipshit. President-elect Trump and his emissaries had every right to communicate with whom ever they want, including preparing them for planned policy changes. They were, in fact, elected to do exactly that.

It is amazing isn't it? Changing an Obama policy is treasonous at worst and colluding at best! How fucking ignorant do you have to be to think like this and when I ask one of this idiots to explain how Flynn "colluded" they can't give a coherent explanation. All they have is "he pleaded guilty to lying to the FBI". Did they care when Obama pardoned a General for lying to the FBI? Nope. Did they care when Hillary lied? Nope. Do they care that the FBI falsified a document that they presented to the FISA Court? Nope. Do they have anything to say about the head of Counter Intelligence at the FBI asking if the goal was to find the truth? Really? Is the goal of the FBI to find the truth or to get him to lie so we can prosecute him? How the fuck does that not get the case tossed right there?



There isn't a damn word in that phone call promising Russia anything, nada, zip! Nothing more than Obama asking Russia to hold off doing anything about missiles in Eastern Europe until he gets re-elected because he was obviously planing on doing something that might cause him to lose the election if he had to wait to be re-elected but did these idiots see that as "colluding"? No, they did not. I'd ask 9500 to explain but he isn't very good at explaining but at least he knows it. Can't ask MM because he doesn't even rise to the level of idiot and Munchman is about as worthless as they come, so I guess I'm not going to get an answer on how Flynn "colluded" with Russia.



To do what? What was the common interest against the United States? Are these questions that hard to answer? Of course they are because they can not be answered. Why can Obama pardon a General for lying but Bill Barr can't drop a case obviously flawed in a dozen different ways and we now have long held exculpatory evidence to prove the wrong doing.


And still, "they can not see past their own bias". Amazing.

[eccieuser9500]

Originally Posted by HedonistForever

It is amazing isn't it? Changing an Obama policy is treasonous at worst and colluding at best! How fucking ignorant do you have to be to think like this and when I ask one of this idiots to explain how Flynn "colluded" they can't give a coherent explanation.

I'll let my boy Adam Schiff, a Hollywood Liberal, explain it. Since you think my assersions are too simple. Flynn was the sacrificial middle-man pawn.

All they have is "he pleaded guilty to lying to the FBI". Did they care when Obama pardoned a General for lying to the FBI? Nope. Did they care when Hillary lied? Nope. Do they care that the FBI falsified a document that they presented to the FISA Court? Nope. Do they have anything to say about the head of Counter Intelligence at the FBI asking if the goal was to find the truth? Really? Is the goal of the FBI to find the truth or to get him to lie so we can prosecute him? How the fuck does that not get the case tossed right there?

How? Power, and who has it.


There isn't a damn word in that phone call promising Russia anything, nada, zip! Nothing more than Obama asking Russia to hold off doing anything about missiles in Eastern Europe until he gets re-elected because he was obviously planing on doing something that might cause him to lose the election if he had to wait to be re-elected but did these idiots see that as "colluding"? No, they did not. I'd ask 9500 to explain but he isn't very good at explaining but at least he knows it.

Something? If it was obvious, you would have stated what Obama's intent was. Was this imaginary action going against American interests? The current president asked a foreign nation to involve itself in our, OUR, "free and fair elections".

Can't ask MM because he doesn't even rise to the level of idiot and Munchman is about as worthless as they come, so I guess I'm not going to get an answer on how Flynn "colluded" with Russia.



To do what? What was the common interest against the United States? Are these questions that hard to answer?

Destabilization.
C'mon man. You're in your early 70's and you can't see what's happening now? If that conniving (you would think it was immoral, illegal or detrimental) Hillary was president, would we be in our current situation? The economy. Healthcare. Social tensions. Global respect. Think, man. Think.

Of course they are because they can not be answered.

The answers are staring you right in the face. But that is the evil genius of a conman. He has been working his con to a fine craft. Like a world class procrastinator.

Why can Obama pardon a General for lying but Bill Barr can't drop a case obviously flawed in a dozen different ways and we now have long held exculpatory evidence to prove the wrong doing.


And still, "they can not see past their own bias". Amazing.

Originally Posted by HedonistForever

Did Obama want to prosecute his General for lying to the FBI? Nope, gave him a pardon. I'm only asking, all I have ever asked, is equal treatment under the law. James Comey said Hillary lied under oath, did he prosecute her?

That's rich. Especially nowadays. You've been on this planet, and maybe in this country, for almost three quarters of a century and you still think that's going to happen . . . ANY time soon?

Oh, and . . . . More whataboutism? The others weren't as stupid enough to get caught. And the necessity to prosecute was not as grave as in this case.

[oeb11]

9500- speaking of Liars and a corrupt politician who manipulated and lied his committee into a pre-determined vote to Impeach the POTUS - Adam Schiff is the quitessential political liar of all times.

he Lied, refused to permit Republican participation in his Committee, supressed evidence exculpatory of trump - and behaved just as a DPST would do to break from the rule of law in pursuit of their Impeachment dream

and - how did that turn out for U -???
HUH???


someday - when 9500 gets on the wrong side of a DPST administration for not being socialist enough - they will come for 9500- and will that be a surprise to YSL, robespierre, and lenny Bruce - whom 9500 listens to on his "Way'Back" radio!

[HedonistForever]

Originally Posted by eccieuser9500

That's rich. Especially nowadays. You've been on this planet, and maybe in this country, for almost three quarters of a century and you still think that's going to happen . . . ANY time soon?


I do. It's only a matter of a couple of months now. "Say his name"! John Durham


Oh, and . . . . More whataboutism? The others weren't as stupid enough to get caught. And the necessity to prosecute was not as grave as in this case.

Uh, yeah Obama's General was caught and found guilty.


https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/17/us/politics/obama-pardons-james-cartwright-general-who-lied-to-fbi-in-leak-case.html



Obama Pardons James Cartwright, General Who Lied to F.B.I. in Leak Case

President Obama on Tuesday pardoned James E. Cartwright, a retired Marine Corps general and former vice chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff who pleaded guilty to lying to the F.B.I. about his discussions with reporters about Iran’s nuclear program, saving him from a possible prison sentence.


General Cartwright, who was a key member of Mr. Obama’s national security team in his first term and earned a reputation as the president’s favorite general, pleaded guilty late last year to misleading investigators looking into the leaking of classified information about cyberattacks against Iran.


He was due to be sentenced this month. His defense team had asked for a year of probation and 600 hours of community service, but prosecutors had asked the judge overseeing his case to send him to prison for two years.


Now, the retired general will be spared such punishment.

Hillary was caught, Comey just let her slide.


FBI council was caught altering document. He'll be prosecuted soon. Head of Counter Intelligence was "caught" when his now infamous memo was declassified. Susan Rice has now been caught lying. John Durham might have more to say about that. The list of people in the Obama administration that have been "caught" is longer than your arm.

[The_Waco_Kid]

Originally Posted by HedonistForever

Uh, yeah Obama's General was caught and found guilty.


https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/17/us/politics/obama-pardons-james-cartwright-general-who-lied-to-fbi-in-leak-case.html



Obama Pardons James Cartwright, General Who Lied to F.B.I. in Leak Case

Hillary was caught, Obama ordered Lynch to order Comey to just let her slide.


FBI council was caught altering document. He'll be prosecuted soon. Head of Counter Intelligence was "caught" when his now infamous memo was declassified. Susan Rice has now been caught lying. John Durham might have more to say about that. The list of people in the Obama administration that have been "caught" is longer than your arm.

ftfy

[HedonistForever]

To do what? What was the common interest against the United States? Are these questions that hard to answer?

Destabilization.



Say what? Who has been destabilized? Before Covid, the economy was the best it has been in 50 years whether that was Obama's doing as you would like to believe or Trump's, it was right there. Destabilize?



What have you been smoking bro.



Something? If it was obvious, you would have stated what Obama's intent was.



You've got to learn to read better. His intent was to stall on missile negotiations



https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/obama-more-flexibility-russia/

As he was leaning toward Medvedev in Seoul, Obama was overheard asking for time — “particularly with missile defense” — until he is in a better position politically to resolve such issues.

Asking for more time. Same damn thing Flynn was asking for. Not a dimes bit of difference which you could see if you would remove those blinders.