The Second makes all the others possible

[Levianon17]

Originally Posted by Yssup Rider

Nothing makes more sense than using Trump and truth in the same sentence.

You're a Liberal, you don't understand truth. The Liberal media uses your brain you don't. They tell you what to be afraid of and who to blame.

[ICU 812]

If (when?) Robert Francis O'Rourke becomes "Gun control Czar" I will liquidate all my retirement savings and buy stock in companies that make shovels. . . .because everyone, Liberals and Conservatives, will bury their guns before just giving them up.

[Levianon17]

Originally Posted by ICU 812

If (when?) Robert Francis O'Rourke becomes "Gun control Czar" I will liquidate all my retirement savings and buy stock in companies that make shovels. . . .because everyone, Liberals and Conservatives, will bury their guns before just giving them up.

They'll start off with voluntary "Firearm Buy Back Programs" they'll encourage or even mandate every state to participate. In lieu of your firearm you'll receive a Fifty Dollar Walmart Gift Certificate or something of that nature you definitely won't receive the fair market value of your firearm. We live in a phony Government. Trump exposed that and sacrificed a lot to get that message across that is the real reason he was so hated by both the Liberal Left and Conservatives.

[dilbert firestorm]

Originally Posted by Levianon17

They'll start off with voluntary "Firearm Buy Back Programs" they'll encourage or even mandate every state to participate. In lieu of your firearm you'll receive a Fifty Dollar Walmart Gift Certificate or something of that nature you definitely won't receive the fair market value of your firearm. We live in a phony Government. Trump exposed that and sacrificed a lot to get that message across that is the real reason he was so hated by both the Liberal Left and Conservatives.

why would conservatives hate him? I think that would be the progressives.

[Levianon17]

Originally Posted by dilbert firestorm

why would conservatives hate him? I think that would be the progressives.

The reason why many Conservatives hated Trump is because he wouldn't play by their rules all the time. Trump pretty much marched to the beat of a different drummer and that pissed a lot of people off.

[eccieuser9500]

Originally Posted by dilbert firestorm

why would conservatives hate him? I think that would be the progressives.

It's easy to.

Conservatives Have Only One Choice in 2020


https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/24/o...publicans.html

Under Mr. Trump, then, the Republican Party is only incidentally conservative. At its core it is now ethnonationalist and populist, meaning that in its anti-establishment fervor it incites rather than refines public passions; it is increasingly antagonistic toward free markets, inward-looking and reactionary, hostile to diversity, pessimistic rather than optimistic, encased in cultural grievances, more interested in looking backward than forward.

But that is hardly where the erosion of conservatism ends.

[ICU 812]

Its More ?Than the Second Amendment!
When Do We actually Get Our Rights?
In recent years, California and Florida have raised the age at which a person may buy a firearm from 18 years old to 21.
An interesting line of thought follows from that. How is it that a State can regulate the age when a person is fully vested with constitutional rights? Which of the protections and grants of the first ten amendments to our Constitution may a person have access to first?

This is a much larger issue than ownership of firearms. Does a child have the right to free speech for instance? Has that been determined to be the age of majority? What about civil rights? What about the "right to choose?"

For years, adulthood has been defined as 18-21 back and forth. BUT: If a State can move the age for any one right beyond the age of majority for that state ( the Second Amendment for instqance) , some three years further along in this case, could they not later on make it 35 or 70 years for a firearms purchase?

Could they do that for any other of the enumerated rights? Given that access to the Second Amendment has already been delayed several years beyond the age of majority in a few states, what about the First Amendment or the Fourth and Fifth? While it may sound unlikely or unreasonable to suggest that, there does not seem to be any legal reason why it could not happen.
Is that what we want?

[1blackman1]

Without getting to into the weeds, children at birth have constitutional rights such as due process etc. other rights, things like free speech and to bear arms aren’t absolute for children or adults and can be regulated or limited by law at both the federal and state levels.

[royamcr]

Originally Posted by winn dixie

Gun grabbers dont knock nor do they worry about in their opinion "such frivolous things".

And what government job title is a gun grabber? I don't remember seeing the department of gun grabbers.

[1blackman1]

The whine and tears. Even Laura knows it’s coming.

Ingraham also told supporters of the president to "stand tall and be proud of your efforts and his."

"It was all worth it," she said. "We all helped reshape the national conversation on China, on immigration, on trade and political correctness, etc. We don't have time to bury our heads in crying towels."

[royamcr]

https://giffords.org/lawcenter/state...in-california/

Need to distinguish between Sales and possession...

Originally Posted by ICU 812

Its More ?Than the Second Amendment!
When Do We actually Get Our Rights?
In recent years, California and Florida have raised the age at which a person may buy a firearm from 18 years old to 21.
An interesting line of thought follows from that. How is it that a State can regulate the age when a person is fully vested with constitutional rights? Which of the protections and grants of the first ten amendments to our Constitution may a person have access to first?

This is a much larger issue than ownership of firearms. Does a child have the right to free speech for instance? Has that been determined to be the age of majority? What about civil rights? What about the "right to choose?"

For years, adulthood has been defined as 18-21 back and forth. BUT: If a State can move the age for any one right beyond the age of majority for that state ( the Second Amendment for instqance) , some three years further along in this case, could they not later on make it 35 or 70 years for a firearms purchase?

Could they do that for any other of the enumerated rights? Given that access to the Second Amendment has already been delayed several years beyond the age of majority in a few states, what about the First Amendment or the Fourth and Fifth? While it may sound unlikely or unreasonable to suggest that, there does not seem to be any legal reason why it could not happen.
Is that what we want?

[ICU 812]

Originally Posted by 1blackman1

Without getting to into the weeds, children at birth have constitutional rights such as due process etc. other rights, things like free speech and to bear arms aren’t absolute for children or adults and can be regulated or limited by law at both the federal and state levels.

I have a vague recollection about an East Coast state passing a massive pro abortion law that included a provision allowing the termination of a viable live born infant. Did that happen? was it Virginia or New York?

Did I get that right?


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In any case, my point is that with the precedent set where an enumerated right is suspended for an adult for several years, other rights could be in serious jeopardy under the right circumstances. In cold war era Eastern Europe, many countries maintained a registry of typriters with samples from each machine. They had already taken away all the guns. Next was free speech. Any of that sound current for the USA?

[ICU 812]

Originally Posted by royamcr

And what government job title is a gun grabber? I don't remember seeing the department of gun grabbers.

The Treasury Department's Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco Firearms and Explosives might be one. Another could be Department of Homeland Security.

A lot could be done with just a few executive orderrs. President Trump "outlawed" the so-called bump stocks by signing an executive order for ther BATFE> Poof . ..they were gone.

[winn dixie]

Originally Posted by royamcr

And what government job title is a gun grabber? I don't remember seeing the department of gun grabbers.

What a stupid post! Guessing youre a pooper scooper!

Guess that means your a scientist! That is of scatologies!

[1blackman1]

Originally Posted by ICU 812

I have a vague recollection about an East Coast state passing a massive pro abortion law that included a provision allowing the termination of a viable live born infant. Did that happen? was it Virginia or New York?

Did I get that right?


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In any case, my point is that with the precedent set where an enumerated right is suspended for an adult for several years, other rights could be in serious jeopardy under the right circumstances. In cold war era Eastern Europe, many countries maintained a registry of typriters with samples from each machine. They had already taken away all the guns. Next was free speech. Any of that sound current for the USA?

No. You didn’t. Fox was making shit up. Look the law up and maybe it won’t say what they say it said.