Greene walks back

[GastonGlock]

>She is definitely not a patriot.
The best part about life is that one man's terrorist is another man's patriot or freedom fighter.

You can "No True Scotsman" all day long, and it changes nothing, because it's nothing more than subjective opinion.

>What kind of idiot allows a group like QAnon to "make her believe things that weren't true?"
The same kind of people who still think the Russian Collusion thing was true.

The internet allows people to find the narrative that best suits their beliefs as well as a community that reinforces those beliefs no matter how crazy or stupid. Reddit's probably the best example of this.

>You end up with nut cases like this that can't think for themselves being voted into Congress... These are the consequences of the dumbing down of our education system.

Politicians don't think for themselves much passed "How can I personally profit off of this?"

And the whole point of the liberal education system is to produce harmless, feckless, obedient, non-questioning office/factory workers. "Critical Thinking" has been reduced to "My [the teacher's] opinion is the correct one.".

[WTF]

Originally Posted by GastonGlock

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The same kind of people who still think the Russian Collusion thing was true.

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Really


Myth: Mueller found “no collusion.”

Response: Mueller spent almost 200 pages describing “numerous links between the Russian government and the Trump Campaign.” He found that “a Russian entity carried out a social media campaign that favored presidential candidate Donald J. Trump and disparaged presidential candidate Hillary Clinton.” He also found that “a Russian intelligence service conducted computer-intrusion operations” against the Clinton campaign and then released stolen documents.

While Mueller was unable to establish a conspiracy between members of the Trump campaign and the Russians involved in this activity, he made it clear that “[a] statement that the investigation did not establish particular facts does not mean there was no evidence of those facts.” In fact, Mueller also wrote that the “investigation established that the Russian government perceived it would benefit from a Trump presidency and worked to secure that outcome, and that the Campaign expected it would benefit electorally from information stolen and released through Russian efforts.”

To find conspiracy, a prosecutor must establish beyond a reasonable doubt the elements of the crime: an agreement between at least two people, to commit a criminal offense and an overt act in furtherance of that agreement. One of the underlying criminal offenses that Mueller reviewed for conspiracy was campaign-finance violations. Mueller found that Trump campaign members Donald Trump Jr., Paul Manafort and Jared Kushner met with Russian nationals in Trump Tower in New York June 2016 for the purpose of receiving disparaging information about Clinton as part of “Russia and its government’s support for Mr. Trump,” according to an email message arranging the meeting. This meeting did not amount to a criminal offense, in part, because Mueller was unable to establish “willfulness,” that is, that the participants knew that their conduct was illegal. Mueller was also unable to conclude that the information was a “thing of value” that exceeded $25,000, the requirement for campaign finance to be a felony, as opposed to a civil violation of law. But the fact that the conduct did not technically amount to conspiracy does not mean that it was acceptable. Trump campaign members welcomed foreign influence into our election and then compromised themselves with the Russian government by covering it up.


Mueller found other contacts with Russia, such as the sharing of polling data about Midwestern states where Trump later won upset victories, conversations with the Russian ambassador to influence Russia’s response to sanctions imposed by the U.S. government in response to election interference, and communications with Wikileaks after it had received emails stolen by Russia. While none of these acts amounted to the crime of conspiracy, all could be described as “collusion.”

[HedonistForever]

Originally Posted by reddog1951

Thing is, I'm not a Democrat and not a Republican, I'm independent as hell, and think a two party system is healthy. But, I cannot understand why the Republicans refuses to clean their own shit house. Greene is clearly toxic to that party and the lack of Republican leadership forced/allowed the Democrats to take action. The Republican leadership either has no balls or are resigned to the party being split and both sectors being in the minority. Personally, I regret it on one hand, but on the other they make their on bed.

It's not that hard to understand but yes, difficult for principled people to accept. Both parties are loathe to lose power, any power, and eliminating a member of their party from having a committee vote, whether Democrat or Republican, is seen as a lose and neither party likes losing. Not one single Republican ever said that they agreed with Greene or even said she had the absolute right to express those thoughts but they didn't want to give up that vote.


I was surprised to see this morning that 3 South Florida Republican Representatives voted with Democrats to strip Greene of her committee assignments. I think they did the right thing. What bothers me is the Republicans taking a stand that Democrats will not take. Rep. Omar should have been stripped of her committee assignments over her antisemitic remarks but she wasn't. Why? It would be losing a vote they count on.


Maxine Waters should have been stripped because she incited violence against anybody who voted for Trump. "Get in their face she said. "Push back" she said. Let them know they aren't wanted here or anywhere, she said. That is inciting violence and yet no Democrat spoke up. That is what is frustrating, Republicans doing the right thing when Democrats will not.


One of those Rep. Salazar, said she would vote with Democrats but put them on notice that now having set the standard of anything you have ever said even prior to being elected, will be held against you. It was Greene's denial of the Parkland school shooting that pushed the 3 Florida Republicans to punish Greene. It's just to raw a subject here in South Florida to overlook or be forgiven.


Greene reaped what she sowed and I have no sympathy at all for her. My problem is the unwillingness of Democrats to apply these standards to their own. I expect that if Republicans take back the House in 2022, there will be multiple Democrats stripped of committee assignments and tit for tat will get nastier and nastier.

[winn dixie]

Originally Posted by reddog1951

Winn, you may be game, but your reply was lame. Reinforced my post perfectly. You did not address either of the two questions directly, instead you tried to create diversion to other topics. Typical Trump move by the way.

So again, care to address the Cotton Pickin questions?

No. You proved my point! You will not acknowledge other transgressions! How bout answering that? You dont see the whole picture!
Nah I really dont care!

[WTF]

Originally Posted by winn dixie

No. You proved my point! You will not acknowledge other transgressions! How bout answering that? You dont see the whole picture!
Nah I really dont care!

Did you ever find your delete button?

[winn dixie]

Originally Posted by WTF

Did you ever find your delete button?

Yourse gots me confuzed wit someones else

[reddog1951]

Again, I'm neither Democrat nor Republican, but if the Republicans don't get their shit together, or if the Greene's, Trump's, Winn's and OEB succeed in splintering the party into two groups, the Republicans will not be able to take the house back in 2022, nor will the "Patriot Party". If I'm fortunate enough to still be living then, I'll be happy to say I told you so.

[reddog1951]

And there's this
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...VEg?li=BBnbfcL

Starting to make sense to anyone?

[HedonistForever]

Originally Posted by reddog1951

Again, I'm neither Democrat nor Republican, but if the Republicans don't get their shit together, or if the Greene's, Trump's, Winn's and OEB succeed in splintering the party into two groups, the Republicans will not be able to take the house back in 2022, nor will the "Patriot Party". If I'm fortunate enough to still be living then, I'll be happy to say I told you so.

But Greene just folded from her position, admitting defeat. The "Greene's" or should I say "The Greene" because there is only one of her, will have no further impact on the Republican party. Not one single Republican supported her ideas but they didn't want to give up her vote, will not split the party. Literally nobody believed her or supported her ideas. The only thing that could split the party is a Trump faction against the "not Trump faction". But since Trump's personality and not his policies were the issue for many, it is easy to see, at least for me, somebody to take up Trump's positions on immigration, tough on China, law and order without his abrasive personality, could easily bring the party together.


Bringing Greene to heal just proved that. Contrary to what Democrats and the MSM would like Americans to believe, Republicans do not support Qanon, White Supremacist or the KKK, none. These issues will not splinter the Republicans party because they are not issues in the party, only in the minds of Democrats and the MSM.


I believe there are many more issues that could splinter Democrats and they are becoming more evident everyday. Look at the politicians turning on Teacher's Unions. If Biden keeps trying not to offend the Teachers Union, he could pay a price with the majority of parents that want their children back in school. What happens if teacher's go on strike? And the Democrat party takes their side? Good for Republicans.


What happens if the border becomes over run and literally thousands of people, some with Covid, get released into the country because there is no place to hold them. It's already started. Catch and Release, is again the policy of the US. At what point might Americans start to say, "this isn't what I voted for"?



At what point will the rise in crime that will surely come with Biden's and Progressives policies, start to make Americans say "this isn't what I voted for"?


From where I sit, the Democrats have much more to worry about, splintering their party and now that they have the power, to piss off more and more Americans with the way they are using that power.


Who are these "Domestic Extremists"? The few hundred that decided to attack the capital or the thousands that decided not to but were there and supported the idea of a "peaceful demonstration" but will now be labeled terrorist.


Tucker Carlson had a disturbing report "if true". That Bank of America in cooperation with the federal government, turned over bank records of anybody that could be tied to the capital protest. If the bank could produce a record that you made the trip to the capital, if you had a meal, rented a room, bought a tee shirt in the Capital that day, you will now be under suspicion of being a Domestic Extremist. How many Americans will see this as a step to far?


The new Secy. of Defense has said the US military has been ordered to "stand down" what ever that means, while he checks the ranks, through social media, for "extremists". OK, what is the definition of an extremist? Anybody that supported a peaceful demonstration in DC on the 6th? Anybody voicing doubt that the election wasn't free from fraud? Will that now be called "descent" and be punished for merely voicing an opinion that differs with the current rulers?


This hunt for extremist has a hundred ways from Sunday of going South and could lead to even more violence.


This could make McCarthyism look like a walk in the park. We are talking about the possibility of labeling 74 million people as extremist. Where do we think that might lead?

[winn dixie]

Originally Posted by reddog1951

Again, I'm neither Democrat nor Republican, but if the Republicans don't get their shit together, or if the Greene's, Trump's, Winn's and OEB succeed in splintering the party into two groups, the Republicans will not be able to take the house back in 2022, nor will the "Patriot Party". If I'm fortunate enough to still be living then, I'll be happy to say I told you so.

Oh I too hope youre "still around".

[1blackman1]

Removing Greene from committees doesn’t change republicans committee assignments at all. So your whole argument is incorrect.

The real answer is much simpler. Republicans need the kook vote. They need the extremists. They need the religinuts. They need the racists. They need the Q folks. Alienating them would mean they lose election after election. When your coalition is made up of some of the worst people in order to bolster the “real republicans” you can’t come out against the crazy out of fear of losing.

I’m awaiting the day that HF answers a question without resorting to “but the democrats”. One day. One day.

[winn dixie]

Originally Posted by 1blackman1

Removing Greene from committees doesn’t change republicans committee assignments at all. So your whole argument is incorrect.

The real answer is much simpler. Republicans need the kook vote. They need the extremists. They need the religinuts. They need the racists. They need the Q folks. Alienating them would mean they lose election after election. When your coalition is made up of some of the worst people in order to bolster the “real republicans” you can’t come out against the crazy out of fear of losing.

I’m awaiting the day that HF answers a question without resorting to “but the democrats”. One day. One day.

vs.

the libs rely on suppressing real investigations and real news! They need the political divide to advance their ultimate agenda thats unfolding right before our eyes!

How bout that "ism"?

[winn dixie]

Originally Posted by winn dixie

vs.

the libs rely on suppressing real investigations and real news! They need the political divide to advance their ultimate agenda thats unfolding right before our eyes!

How bout that "ism"?

So good had to be reposted!

[WTF]

Originally Posted by GastonGlock

[B]>
The best part about life is that one man's terrorist is another man's patriot or freedom fighter.

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Originally Posted by winn dixie

vs.

the libs rely on suppressing real investigations and real news! They need the political divide to advance their ultimate agenda thats unfolding right before our eyes!

How bout that "ism"?

The answer to your "ism" nonsense has already been posted.


If you think only one side has extremism. It is because you are embedded in the nutty section on your side.

[reddog1951]

DIXIEism, RIP. Date of passing 1/20/2021. The corpse needs to be buried, but no action necessary, they're digging their own grave.