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Old 12-23-2023, 01:52 PM   #31
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... You're forgetting of the legal challenges to this.

If Trump - or the Republican gets more votes - then Biden
or whomever WON'T get the 10 electorial votes.

And of course it takes BOTH democrats AND Republicans
to ensure the government there runs smoothly.

The Republicans can S-L-O-W down this process.
I don't believe that tryin' to disenfranchise the Republican
voters in the state there is gonna work.
The legal backlash will be STRONG. ...

But it all might surely be much a-do about nothing - let's see
how long the stay lasts.

And what the REAL Supreme Count has to say about this.

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Old 12-23-2023, 01:56 PM   #32
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So, what part of an attempted insurrection did Trump not have a hand in? It was his words that riled all those people to Washington on J6th. How does he not fall prey to the anti-traitor amendment?
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Old 12-23-2023, 04:51 PM   #33
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... You're forgetting of the legal challenges to this.

If Trump - or the Republican gets more votes - then Biden
or whomever WON'T get the 10 electorial votes.

And of course it takes BOTH democrats AND Republicans
to ensure the government there runs smoothly.

The Republicans can S-L-O-W down this process.
I don't believe that tryin' to disenfranchise the Republican
voters in the state there is gonna work.
The legal backlash will be STRONG. ...

But it all might surely be much a-do about nothing - let's see
how long the stay lasts.

And what the REAL Supreme Count has to say about this.

#### Salty
It will come down to what the US Supreme court rules. If it rules that the 14th amendment applies to the presidency, then Trump, would not be allowed to hold office. What Colorado did, got the ball rolling to the US Supreme court
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Old 12-23-2023, 04:55 PM   #34
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If done constitutionality there are no leagle challenges.
There is no need for due process of any sort, it is a formality, just the same if he was not 35 years old or a was a naturalized citizen.
It was created and used after the Civil War to keep former traitors from holding office in the very nation they traded against.
They disqualified and removed 14 or so sitting congressmen and senators all former rebels, most of high rank in the confederate army in the late 1860s using it.
And that is without any of them being convicted of any crime!
And if you recall in that war the rebels believed that the war had a great deal to do with states rights.
So in that reguard Colorado should have every right to protect itself from trump!
So your really reading this wrong, and now it is being said that 15 more states want to follow Colorado lead!
Good!
Will it end up in the SC?
Probably but it shouldnt?


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... You're forgetting of the legal challenges to this.

If Trump - or the Republican gets more votes - then Biden
or whomever WON'T get the 10 electorial votes.

And of course it takes BOTH democrats AND Republicans
to ensure the government there runs smoothly.

The Republicans can S-L-O-W down this process.
I don't believe that tryin' to disenfranchise the Republican
voters in the state there is gonna work.
The legal backlash will be STRONG. ...

But it all might surely be much a-do about nothing - let's see
how long the stay lasts.

And what the REAL Supreme Count has to say about this.

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Old 12-23-2023, 05:25 PM   #35
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And if your putting your hopes in the SC, remember that in a dictators mind nothing is more Supreme than themselves.
So therfore the dictator trump will have very little use for a Supreme Court!
Them annoyingly ruling against his every whim!
A fact I'm sure is not lost to the Supreme Court!
And Gorsuch " a trump appointee" makde a ruling in 2012 that a state has the right to do exactly what Colorado just did.
Disqualify a canadate that dosent meet the basic standards!
Seems to me that orange Jesus is screwed!
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Old 12-23-2023, 08:04 PM   #36
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... Hey mate - you DO understand that a number of "traitors"
from the Civil War went on to hold public office.
A number of blokes from the Confederacy, yes?

So much for that.

And you are aware that a few states went and BLOCKED Abraham LINCOLN
from the Presidential ballot.

Reckon you've never heard of "due process" - rather obvious
the Democrat-appointed Colorado Supreme Court hasn't either.

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Old 12-23-2023, 11:06 PM   #37
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So much for that?
Then name them!
Give us the names of rebels that held office after 1868?
I'm not talking about those already mentioned that were voted into office and then removed after the 14th amendment was ratified!
Name one that was elected after that?

And as I already mentioned it's a formality and due process is not necessary!
And no, Lincoln was not blocked from the ballot in any state in 1860.
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Old 12-24-2023, 01:22 AM   #38
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... Hey mate - you DO understand that a number of "traitors"
from the Civil War went on to hold public office.
A number of blokes from the Confederacy, yes?

So much for that.

And you are aware that a few states went and BLOCKED Abraham LINCOLN
from the Presidential ballot.

Reckon you've never heard of "due process" - rather obvious
the Democrat-appointed Colorado Supreme Court hasn't either.

#### Salty
None of this resides in reality. Even if it did, your argument is basically "trump is a traitor, but there have been other traitors, so no biggie". Lol. Wow.

Bottom line: if Section 3 of the 14th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution means anything, then trump is fucked. If his sham, illegitimate SCOTUS covers his ass and denies the 14th Amendment, then the entire concept of American democracy is fucked.

I'd much rather trump get fucked than our democracy.
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Old 12-24-2023, 08:08 AM   #39
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So much for that?
Then name them!
Give us the names of rebels that held office after 1868?
I'm not talking about those already mentioned that were voted into office and then removed after the 14th amendment was ratified!
Name one that was elected after that?

And as I already mentioned it's a formality and due process is not necessary!
And no, Lincoln was not blocked from the ballot in any state in 1860.
Oh, just wait for the next bombshell to be dropped, with all the names of people who didn't exist who held office after 1868!


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None of this resides in reality. Even if it did, your argument is basically "trump is a traitor, but there have been other traitors, so no biggie". Lol. Wow.

Bottom line: if Section 3 of the 14th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution means anything, then trump is fucked. If his sham, illegitimate SCOTUS covers his ass and denies the 14th Amendment, then the entire concept of American democracy is fucked.

I'd much rather trump get fucked than our democracy.


If you ask me, the fact that one of the two parties in this country have already attempted a coupe to undermine our democracy, it will never be secure until the GOP is dissolved.
Sure, there are some good Republicans, and there are certainly some traitorous Democrats, but the ratio of good to bad in the GOP is far higher than the other. The simple fact that they are challenging the call of the 14th, that Trump had no comment on if he would or would not abuse his power... Democracy is fucked. And if we just try to give them a light punishment, they will do nothing but kick and scream and make a scene while throwing state secrets all the way over to Russia and China just to spite the people who remain in charge
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Old 12-24-2023, 09:16 AM   #40
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You still don't understand. If trump is disqualified, voters can write him in all they want. Those votes won't count. Their "declared choice" isn't eligible to run for POTUS in the state of Colorado. It would be like writing in Mickey Mouse or Frank Zappa. Not qualified.
This will do nothing but give them another 'stolen election' war cry.
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Old 12-24-2023, 09:37 AM   #41
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This will do nothing but give them another 'stolen election' war cry.
How is the current cry working out for them?
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https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...ia/ar-AA1lXpaC


Looks like the states are pushing this forward before the 7th.


Two weeks from now, we'll know if the United States is going to become a dictatorship or not! Can't wait to find out!
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Old 12-24-2023, 11:34 AM   #43
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This will do nothing but give them another 'stolen election' war cry.
Fine with me. We only need to defeat trump one more time. He won't live to see 2028.
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Old 12-24-2023, 11:40 AM   #44
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Sure, there are some good Republicans, and there are certainly some traitorous Democrats, but the ratio of good to bad in the GOP is far higher than the other. The simple fact that they are challenging the call of the 14th, that Trump had no comment on if he would or would not abuse his power... Democracy is fucked. And if we just try to give them a light punishment, they will do nothing but kick and scream and make a scene while throwing state secrets all the way over to Russia and China just to spite the people who remain in charge
Yep. If we truly wanted to "make America great again", we'd hang traitors to this country live on prime time TV. Send the fucking message, and have that message sponsored by all the biggest corporations. Like George Carlin suggested we do with bankers and hedge fund managers who launder drug money lol.
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https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...ia/ar-AA1lXpaC


Looks like the states are pushing this forward before the 7th.


Two weeks from now, we'll know if the United States is going to become a dictatorship or not! Can't wait to find out!
“The absurdity of radical Democrat judges removing donald trump from the ballot in Colorado will be a stain on the American political system for decades. By their very own interpretation of the law, Joe Biden is 100% not eligible to run for political office.”

Except the Colorado case was brought forward entirely by Republicans. LOL! Jesus titty-fucking Christ, if Republicans couldn't get away with lying to their voters, they wouldn't even have a political party.

I'm also guessing the "do your own research" crowd won't look into this one little bit.
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