Another question wrt Ukraine - Russia

[bambino]

Originally Posted by HDGristle

It's not in the signed agreement. It's not disputed that it was discussed.

“Documents show Gorbachev was assured US wouldn't expand NATO into Central and Eastern Europe”

The first concrete assurances by Western leaders on NATO began on January 31, 1990, when West German Foreign Minister Hans-Dietrich Genscher opened the bidding with a major public speech at Tutzing, in Bavaria, on German unification. The U.S. Embassy in Bonn (see Document 1) informed Washington that Genscher made clear “that the changes in Eastern Europe and the German unification process must not lead to an ‘impairment of Soviet security interests.’ Therefore, NATO should rule out an ‘expansion of its territory towards the east, i.e. moving it closer to the Soviet borders.’” The Bonn cable also noted Genscher’s proposal to leave the East German territory out of NATO military structures even in a unified Germany in NATO.[3] ...

[HDGristle]

So you've confirmed that there was a verbal discussion that later produced no written agreement to that effect.

And that you favor appeasement

[bambino]

Originally Posted by HDGristle

So you've confirmed that there was a verbal discussion that layer produced no written agreement to that effect.

And that you favor appeasement

No, there were documents that were circulated. But you admit Bush and NATO lied. They moved east towards the Russian border. They fucked around and found out.

[Jacuzzme]

Originally Posted by HDGristle

I'll mark that as you being pro appeasement

Mark it whatever you want, it’s just reality.

[HDGristle]

Even Gorby didn't hang on that line of bullshit. He understood what he agreed to.

That's not a valid pretense for a Russisn invasion and annexation of Ukrainian territory or violating it's signed agreements and treaty obligations.

It's aggression that some want to reward. If there's no mettle in the enforcement the Russians will be emboldened by the soft, sad sack appeasement.