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Old 06-17-2025, 06:12 PM   #31
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Here is one. USA Today mirrors this, but it will not let me link it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DX2EPoYS2VQ
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Old 06-17-2025, 08:10 PM   #32
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Here is one. USA Today mirrors this, but it will not let me link it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DX2EPoYS2VQ

I do thank you for participating in an objective way. Your poll has an even split on immigration-50/50. That is neither approve nor disapprove, right? On Overall approval he's 10 points underwater and 16 points down on the economy he was going to fix on "day one". Am I misstating anything there? And the tariff effects haven't even really kicked in.



I don't have semen demons running around so I don't know the trends, but I bet getting that Halloween costume the kids want this year will be a lot more challenging. And Christmas isn't far behind.


Also of note, that poll was conducted before the LA raids and the ensuing deployment of the guard and active duty. Care to predict how the next results will look? Maybe Saturday's events would be a clue...
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Old 06-17-2025, 08:22 PM   #33
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I do thank you for participating in an objective way. Your poll has an even split on immigration-50/50. That is neither approve nor disapprove, right? On Overall approval he's 10 points underwater and 16 points down on the economy he was going to fix on "day one". Am I misstating anything there? And the tariff effects haven't even really kicked in.



I don't have semen demons running around so I don't know the trends, but I bet getting that Halloween costume the kids want this year will be a lot more challenging. And Christmas isn't far behind.


Also of note, that poll was conducted before the LA raids and the ensuing deployment of the guard and active duty. Care to predict how the next results will look? Maybe Saturday's events would be a clue...
It depends on the messaging.

The Trump Administration will be saying that they are rounding up criminal aliens and making the Country safer while opening up job opportunities for Citizens.

The Democrats will counter by saying nobody will be left to mow our lawns, pick our crops, build our houses, fix our roads, do all of those things Citizens refuse to do.

It all comes down to what the Voters really want.
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Old 06-17-2025, 10:06 PM   #34
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Messaging on what?

I think maybe the polling trends are based on what Trump does, doesn’t do, pull out of and threaten … in other words what he does, not how they spin it.

If he didnt act like an asshole, people wouldn’t assume he was one. People can’t believe anything he says because they know he doesn’t tell the truth.

Maybe if he did his job without being an asshole, he wouldn’t need to spin so hard.
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Old 06-17-2025, 10:08 PM   #35
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It depends on the messaging.

The Trump Administration will be saying that they are rounding up criminal aliens and making the Country safer while opening up job opportunities for Citizens.

The Democrats will counter by saying nobody will be left to mow our lawns, pick our crops, build our houses, fix our roads, do all of those things Citizens refuse to do.

It all comes down to what the Voters really want.

They have been saying the are rounding up the criminal aliens, and that's something that has support regardless of party. The facts bear out that (roughly) 90% of those he's rounding up have no criminal conviction. If the objective is to deport criminals, is a 90% losing rate acceptable? What if it was a coach...would winning 1 of 10 games keep your job?


Nobody wants violent criminals and gangs here. The Republican spewing that Dems support criminals is simply not born out by evidence. Just like Trump's allegations that countries dumped their murders, insane and such here is. It's hate filled world salad that feeds Trumps mindless followers - let me be clear, that's not aimed at anyone here, but there is a very real portion of his base that has just quit thinking and anything and everything he says is truth.



His economic policies have no hope of success. It's as if he's thinking is stuck in the 60s...and the effects are going to hit soon. I personally made a non-trivial purchase online, let's call it 2k. I was notified to cancel the order because of the lack of cargo vessels moving and they couldn't project when I might receive the items. And before anyone screams just buy American made...I'll be happy too do so, just reach out for my Venmo and send me the extra 4k it would cost to buy American...and that's despite the tariffs.


But not to derail, his numbers are steadily slipping. And with the things he's put in place there's simply no way for him to quickly reverse the slide. He's got the worst approval rating of ANY president at this point...and his numbers are going to only go down.
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Old 06-18-2025, 06:40 AM   #36
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Yet somehow, what Trump does is OK if the messaging is correct???

Insanity.
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Old 06-18-2025, 06:41 AM   #37
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Yet somehow, what Trump does is OK if the messaging is correct???

Insanity.
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Old 06-18-2025, 09:46 PM   #38
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Hey there matey...it was IN FACT SALTY that quoted an NBC poll. I posted a link to a report of NBC polling reporting the OPPOSITE of what Salty claimed. Or, if you like it a different way, I refuted a claim made without proof or source with an opposite result from the claimed source, with the evidence for my statement of refutation. See how that works in reality-land?
... Are YOU kidding? ... Or lying?? ... Didja even LOOK
at the poll?? ... If-so, then how did you miss - halfway down
the page - that surely plain as day there the NBC poll sayes
that 51% APPROVAL of Trump's immigration policy.

The one position NBC sez President Trump has good support on.

... Was it yer intent to willfully distort what I claimed??
Go Look!

... Now - THAT SAID:

... It'd surely be re-miss of me if I did not mention the
new poll from Insider Advantage that shows President Trump
holds a 54% Approval rating...

... So, I mentioned it ...

#### Salty
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Old 06-19-2025, 02:15 AM   #39
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Insider Advantage is about as biased as Rasmussen, Salty, but of course you knew that.

And I believe willful distortions are a big part of your character’s game, so don’t get your featheurs all ruffled.
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Old 06-19-2025, 06:58 AM   #40
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It is amazing Trump has that high of a approval rating, since around 95% of all reporting on anything Trump by the Media is negative..
Corporate controlled media is completely controlled. Nobody should listen to them as it's all propaganda.
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Old 06-19-2025, 07:02 AM   #41
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Also, Trump’s disapproval has nothing to do with reporting. Folks can feel the continuation of high grocery prices, deportation of folks that aren’t violent criminals, birthday parade, and a failure to actually pass any laws that help them. A lot of people didnt take long to realize they were sold shit not shineola.
Illegal invaders that cross our borders illegally are criminals. They all need to be deported. Simple as that. It doesn't matter if they're a violent criminal or not.
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Old 06-19-2025, 07:07 AM   #42
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And you could circle back to #5...

In addition to 1blackman's list of why so many disapprove...add to it the unbelievable corruption, transactional politics, etc.

I encourage you to not try to deflect from that by using the "Biden Crime Family" approach. The comparisons will not go well.

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What you don't understand is that both puppets are controlled. It's hypocritical to say that one is better than the other.
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Old 06-19-2025, 07:36 AM   #43
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... Are YOU kidding? ... Or lying?? ... Didja even LOOK
at the poll?? ... If-so, then how did you miss - halfway down
the page - that surely plain as day there the NBC poll sayes
that 51% APPROVAL of Trump's immigration policy.

The one position NBC sez President Trump has good support on.

... Was it yer intent to willfully distort what I claimed??
Go Look!

... Now - THAT SAID:

... It'd surely be re-miss of me if I did not mention the
new poll from Insider Advantage that shows President Trump
holds a 54% Approval rating...

... So, I mentioned it ...

#### Salty
I remember prior to the 2024 election a poll by a reputable company a had Harris over Trump by something like 8 points in Iowa. I immediately discarded the poll since it was an outlier from all other Iowa polls. Point is look at the average of ALL polls and you MIGHT get an understanding of how things really are.

Real Clear Politics and 538 average all the polls and RCP currently has Trump down 5.1 points. I am not surprised at all. The only issue where Trump is positive is on immigration. And as of yet the negative impact of the tariffs has not happened, but it will.

But as I keep reminding others, the only opinion poll that counts is at the ballot box.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/ep...oval-8656.html
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Old 06-19-2025, 09:56 AM   #44
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... Are YOU kidding? ... Or lying?? ... Didja even LOOK
at the poll?? ... If-so, then how did you miss - halfway down
the page - that surely plain as day there the NBC poll sayes
that 51% APPROVAL of Trump's immigration policy.

The one position NBC sez President Trump has good support on.

... Was it yer intent to willfully distort what I claimed??
Go Look!

... Now - THAT SAID:

... It'd surely be re-miss of me if I did not mention the
new poll from Insider Advantage that shows President Trump
holds a 54% Approval rating...

... So, I mentioned it ...

#### Salty

What's your issue? It's not a page, mate...it's a video of an NBC poll that shows Trump sucking. If you've got a page you'd like to reference, then POST. THE. LINK.


Otherwise, I guess you're just trying to make false claims...willfully. Shocker!
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Old 06-19-2025, 12:29 PM   #45
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Illegal invaders that cross our borders illegally are criminals. They all need to be deported. Simple as that. It doesn't matter if they're a violent criminal or not.
What’s the criminal penalty for illegally crossing our borders?
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