Round 'em up and ship 'em out?

[Jacuzzme]

Today I learned:

Enforcing long standing immigration law = Authoritarianism

[ICU 812]

Originally Posted by Precious_b

I have no questions about the above.
I have a feeling that less people would go through that if what you quoted from me was addressed.

And your point is what?

We can address just how many folks can legally enter the USA each year through debate and legislation. Whatever that number, or whatever their status, the government will know who they are and what they are doing be they student, tourist or working resident clean on a path to citizenship.

My grandmother on my father's side immigrated to the US from Eastern Europe when she was 60 or so. This transition was done entirely within the laws of that time, 1960s. I was just a kid and paid no attention to her formal status, but I do recall that sh went to the local post office to re-register as a resident clean. She eventually became a citizen. My father supported her financially for the rest of her life.

[jayjaychrome]

Does anyone else notice the hilarious irony of insisting how important enforcing the law is on a forum where we discuss our TOTALLY LEGAL encounters?

It's interesting how the law's importance varies in certain situations. Obviously we have to enforce THE LAW (except for when we don't).

And I guess some want us to focus very hard on the law enforcement part and ignore the fact that most of us are more than willing to overlook certain laws for certain people. So perhaps we should have a discussion on why some insist on enforcing immigration laws because "law and order" but turn a blind eye to other laws being broken? Maybe it's that the "right" people aren't the ones breaking the laws?

But let's just focus on "they're enforcing the law". Keep is nice and simple.

I wonder though, if the Trump admin started asking (pressuring but perfectly legal) ISP's reveal the addresses of everyone who visited these forums and posted reports so they could "investigate" (perfectly legally) the users, would we still be pro law enforcement? They're just be enforcing the law after all.

But let's just focus on immigration law. Keep is nice and simple. After all, we're the "right" people. Why should we care?

[Precious_b]

Originally Posted by ICU 812

And your point is what?

We can address just how many folks can legally enter the USA each year through debate and legislation. Whatever that number, or whatever their status, the government will know who they are and what they are doing be they student, tourist or working resident clean on a path to citizenship.

My grandmother on my father's side immigrated to the US from Eastern Europe when she was 60 or so. This transition was done entirely within the laws of that time, 1960s. I was just a kid and paid no attention to her formal status, but I do recall that sh went to the local post office to re-register as a resident clean. She eventually became a citizen. My father supported her financially for the rest of her life.

My point is what I stated and it does not analogous with your story about your grandmother. *Unless* you can show how the USA screwed up where she came from and such conditions caused her plight.

The good ol' USofA has done a lot of damage south of the border that has had a direct affect on the influx of some people here. If we would have addressed that in the past, *I* would guess the current numbers would be down. But us americans, especially maggies, don't tend to own their mistakes.

[texassapper]

Originally Posted by jayjaychrome

Does anyone else notice the hilarious irony of insisting how important enforcing the law is on a forum where we discuss our TOTALLY LEGAL encounters?

Yeah but getting your ashes hauled doesn't affect the Congressional representation by being counted illegally thereby disenfranchising American citizens of representation.

We fought a war of lack of representation in our then governing body. We never really fought one over getting laid.

[Why_Yes_I_Do]

Originally Posted by Jacuzzme

Today I learned:

Enforcing long standing immigration law = Authoritarianism

I had rayyyyyycist on my Bingo card. Better luck next time I guess.

[ICU 812]

Originally Posted by Precious_b

My point is what I stated and it does not analogous with your story about your grandmother. *Unless* you can show how the USA screwed up where she came from and such conditions caused her plight.

The good ol' USofA has done a lot of damage south of the border that has had a direct affect on the influx of some people here. If we would have addressed that in the past, *I* would guess the current numbers would be down. But us americans, especially maggies, don't tend to own their mistakes.

Still not sure I am getting it.

Re my family . . . .My Grand mother (now deceased) was a holocaust survivor who was "liberated" by Russian troops and then lived under communist oppression after the war. The USA didn't screw up Hungary, the Nazis and communists did.

Still n not sure how Spanish and Portuguese domination of South America and Mexico has anything to do with the USA either. Right now, I understand tha communist China is taking widely involved there

This discussion is vering off topic in my view so lets get back to why, how and perhaps who should be deported.

[texassapper]

Originally Posted by ICU 812

why, how and perhaps who should be deported.

Why? For breaking our laws and violating our soveriegn borders.
How? As many ways as it takes... easy, hard, violent, peaceful... I don't care.
Who? Every last illegal. EVERY LAST ONE.

Then we start tearing the H1B process apart.

America is not an economic free zone for the planet at the expense of American citizens.

[Tiny]

Originally Posted by texassapper

Why? For breaking our laws and violating our soveriegn borders.
How? As many ways as it takes... easy, hard, violent, peaceful... I don't care.
Who? Every last illegal. EVERY LAST ONE.

Then we start tearing the H1B process apart.

America is not an economic free zone for the planet at the expense of American citizens.

That’s a great recipe for ensuring China will be the only super power in the long run. Granted, nonviolent, hard working illegal immigrants should be converted to legal guest workers, and allowed to remain in the USA in numbers sufficient to do the work Americans don’t want to do. And the H1B lottery should be replaced by a merit system.

The birth rate for native born American women is 1.73, meaning the population will shrink without immigration. The USA needs immigration if it’s going to stay the world’s premier economic and military power. Preferably merit based immigration, not the current system where people bring their family members to the USA after they become citizens

[texassapper]

Originally Posted by Tiny

That’s a great recipe for ensuring China will be the only super power in the long run.

Bullshit. We didn't rise to global power because we had a great immigration policy. In fact we had EXTREMELY limited immigration in the years where we became a superpower. in 1965 we opened the flood gates to the third world, and well you can look around and see the impact.

China isn't going to become a sole super power by opening their borders... why the fcuk would you think we would?

The biggest lie in the the last 50 years is that "Diversity is our strength". Theres ZERO evidence for that to be true.

Originally Posted by Tiny

Granted, nonviolent, hard working illegal immigrants should be converted to legal guest workers, and allowed to remain in the USA in numbers sufficient to do the work Americans don’t want to do. And the H1B lottery should be replaced by a merit system.

Again No. Leftists NEVER WANT TO FINISH THAT SENTENCE.

There is no such thing as jobs Americans won't do.... the full sentence should read... Job Americans won't do AT THAT WAGE. Illegals suppress wages for American workers. PERIOD.

Why do you hate the American worker that you want to import a bunch orf third world goat herders to replace them?

Originally Posted by Tiny

The birth rate for native born American women is 1.73, meaning the population will shrink without immigration.

Quell Horreur!! Who gives a fcuk? Maybe without immigration, wages will rise and people can have kids..

Originally Posted by Tiny

The USA needs immigration if it’s going to stay the world’s premier economic and military power.

Again... I don't care. I want a safe place to raise my family in an AMERICAN culture. Not little New Dehli. You act as if we HAVE to keep expanding the population forever...

Originally Posted by Tiny

Preferably merit based immigration, not the current system where people bring their family members to the USA after they become citizens

H1Bs should be restricted to less than 1000 per year... in TOTAL. You can't tell me we can't find talent here in America to replace what we're dragging in from the rest of the planet.

[txdot-guy]

Originally Posted by texassapper

The biggest lie in the the last 50 years is that "Diversity is our strength". There is ZERO evidence for that to be true.

I think a better way to say that is the ability to assimilate people into a cohesive society is our strength.

Take a look at Japan today to see the problem that a declining birth rate brings. And the problems that they are experiencing right now by attempting to increase immigration to make up for an aging workforce.

In my opinion the great strength that the United States has had over its lifetime has been the ability to take advantage of immigrant families who are willing to work hard to make something better for themselves and their children.

What we have to do is to create a system rife with educational, social and economic opportunities and let the people do what they do best which is to rise up the economic ladder.

Putting a large number of people and resources into immigration enforcement rather than educational and assimilation programs seems counterproductive to me.

[texassapper]

Originally Posted by txdot-guy

I think a better way to say that is the ability to assimilate people into a cohesive society is our strength.

Is that a feature of American culture (which we don't celebrate or promote anymore) or was that a feature of the people we allowed to immigrate?

Originally Posted by txdot-guy

Take a look at Japan today to see the problem that a declining birth rate brings. And the problems that they are experiencing right now by attempting to increase immigration to make up for an aging workforce.

Why is the globalists ONLY solution to declining birth rates immigration from the third world? Why is it only WESTERN nations that need diversity? Why don't African nations need diversity? Why not South American nations? Why don't we allow unfettered immigration from Western nations to the third world?

Originally Posted by txdot-guy

In my opinion the great strength that the United States has had over its lifetime has been the ability to take advantage of immigrant families who are willing to work hard to make something better for themselves and their children.

That has NOTHING to do with DIVERSITY. It has EVERYTHING to do with American culture which we are NOW teaching everyone is RAYCISS, SEXIST, TRANSPHOBIC, ISLAMOPHOBIC etc.

In your head you are living in a nation that doesn't exist anymore.

Originally Posted by txdot-guy

What we have to do is to create a system rife with educational, social and economic opportunities and let the people do what they do best which is to rise up the economic ladder.

WE HAVE ALWAYS HAD THAT... thats why immigrants came here and assimilated. We don't have it anymore because American culture has now been categorized as evil colonial yadda yadda yadda... why assimilate into a culture that Hollywood, the left, and academia claims is the worst thats ever existed?

Originally Posted by txdot-guy

Putting a large number of people and resources into immigration enforcement rather than educational and assimilation programs seems counterproductive to me.

no... Its right. Our culture STARTS with obeying the laws... you can't assimilate people whose INITIAL act on our soil is to break the law.

[Levianon17]

Originally Posted by Jacuzzme

Why not stay and put that hard work and creativity towards making their home country better.

Make El Salvador Great Again!

Well, they probably would but it's easier for them to come to America and play the system. The majority of them come here get employment make as much money as they can and send most of it back to their family in their home country. Many of them don't want to acquire U.S. Citizenship. Sucking the tit of another country is more profitable.

[txdot-guy]

Sapper, You put so many comments in one post it’s difficult to answer them all properly but I’ll give it a shot.

Originally Posted by texassapper

Why is the globalists ONLY solution to declining birth rates immigration from the third world? Why is it only WESTERN nations that need diversity? Why don't African nations need diversity? Why not South American nations? Why don't we allow unfettered immigration from Western nations to the third world?

Western more advanced countries need immigration because our economies are built around the full utilization of our labor resources which diminishes the ability or desire to form large family units. We are taking in immigrants from the so called third world because that’s where the majority of the young people are.

We’re not taking in immigrants from Northern Europe anymore because they are experiencing a birth rate crisis of their own.

Originally Posted by texassapper

That has NOTHING to do with DIVERSITY. It has EVERYTHING to do with American culture which we are NOW teaching everyone is RAYCISS, SEXIST, TRANSPHOBIC, ISLAMOPHOBIC etc.

This screed has nothing to do with immigration and everything to do with your un acceptance of changing times.

Originally Posted by texassapper

In your head you are living in a nation that doesn't exist anymore.

The same things that happened in the 1880’s are happening today but you just don’t recognize it. Immigrants coming to our country, forming communities and if we do our jobs right they and their families eventually assimilating into our country.

Originally Posted by texassapper

WE HAVE ALWAYS HAD THAT... thats why immigrants came here and assimilated. We don't have it anymore because American culture has now been categorized as evil colonial yadda yadda yadda... why assimilate into a culture that Hollywood, the left, and academia claims is the worst thats ever existed?

WTF!

Originally Posted by texassapper

no... Its right. Our culture STARTS with obeying the laws... you can't assimilate people whose INITIAL act on our soil is to break the law.

You are not wrong but the solution is not to deport everyone that’s not white but rather to actually create a robust system of citizenship and assimilation so that we turn these immigrants into productive American citizens.

[texassapper]

Originally Posted by txdot-guy

Western more advanced countries need immigration because our economies are built around the full utilization of our labor resources which diminishes the ability or desire to form large family units.

SO maybe full utilization of every available labor resource isn't the best way to organize the market. Lets go back to the purpose of our nation...

We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

I don't see anything about market utilization. They wanted Justice, Peace, To be defended from invaders, allowed to pursue the Nations well being and to let us exercise our liberties for themselves and their children and future generations.

Nothing about making sure business has labor yadda yadda yadda.

In other words they wanted the government to look after THEIR wellbeing, not that of the rest of the world.

That means American citizens come first.

Originally Posted by txdot-guy

We are taking in immigrants from the so called third world because that’s where the majority of the young people are.

No.. we're taking them from the 3rd world shit holes because THOSE are precisely the people you can give an Obama phone to and they will vote for you because they are so poor that trinkets are like gifts to them. Democrats WANT 3rd world immigration because they see it as a route to permanent political power.

Originally Posted by txdot-guy

We’re not taking in immigrants from Northern Europe anymore because they are experiencing a birth rate crisis of their own.

So what? Why should we not offer to allow them to immigrate? Their population growth isn't our concern

Originally Posted by txdot-guy

This screed has nothing to do with immigration and everything to do with your un acceptance of changing times.

Why must I accept them? Sure times change... that doesn't mean they have to degrade. Allowing 3rd world migration into the West has been an unmitigated disaster for the people of those Western nations.

Originally Posted by txdot-guy

The same things that happened in the 1880’s are happening today but you just don’t recognize it. Immigrants coming to our country, forming communities and if we do our jobs right they and their families eventually assimilating into our country.

No. Its not the same. Immigrants now come to take wages and return them to their nations... we are being strip mined. And you care more about some foreign MFers than your American neighbors.

Originally Posted by txdot-guy

You are not wrong but the solution is not to deport everyone that’s not white but rather to actually create a robust system of citizenship and assimilation so that we turn these immigrants into productive American citizens.

You are so hopelessly boomerized into the bullshit. You think a robust system of assimilation is going to fix this? LOL.... Next time there is another ICE riot, check the flags.... they won't be American because Nobody is coming here to become American or Western... they are coming to rape our Nations both figuratively and literally.