To all those who scream that President Trump needs Congressional Approval to start a war in regards to the Capture of Venezuela Maduro

[The_Waco_Kid]

Originally Posted by RX792P

Hmm, let's check history...
March 26, 2020
(Trump Admin): U.S. charges Maduro with narco-terrorism and offers a $15 million reward for his arrest/conviction.


'So, we have a reward for his capture, but we're not going to enforce it?

you are a day late and 10 million short. when Bill Barr did that Trump had mere months left in his first term.

Biden upped it to 25 million and had 4 years and did nothing.


but you knew that right??


Biden Raises Bounty for Nicolás Maduro to $25 Million

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/01/10/w...as-maduro.html


excuse the NYT paywall the headline says all you need to know. it's better than FOX for you, yeah?

[trey32]

So what do previous presidents have to do with trump and the law.

[RX792P]

Originally Posted by The_Waco_Kid

you are a day late and 10 million short. when Bill Barr did that Trump had mere months left in his first term.

Yes, a mere 10 months...

March 26, 2020
(Trump Admin): U.S. charges Maduro with narco-terrorism and offers a $15 million reward for his arrest/conviction.


January 20, 2021
Trump's first term ends.

[SpeedRacerXXX]

Originally Posted by The_Waco_Kid

you are a day late and 10 million short. when Bill Barr did that Trump had mere months left in his first term.

Biden upped it to 25 million and had 4 years and did nothing.


but you knew that right??


Biden Raises Bounty for Nicolás Maduro to $25 Million

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/01/10/w...as-maduro.html


excuse the NYT paywall the headline says all you need to know. it's better than FOX for you, yeah?

So what? Biden probably could have done what Trump did but what Trump did was WRONG. Sent military into another country supposedly killing 32, and removed 2 people against their will. When you look at reaction from around the world only MAGA people are supporting this blatant disregard of international law.

[The_Waco_Kid]

Originally Posted by trey32

So what do previous presidents have to do with trump and the law.

everything starting with this

Originally Posted by RX792P

Yes, a mere 10 months...

March 26, 2020
(Trump Admin): U.S. charges Maduro with narco-terrorism and offers a $15 million reward for his arrest/conviction.


January 20, 2021
Trump's first term ends.

so 6 years later after Biden did nada for 4 years and did not revoke Trump DOJ indictment but actually upped it Trump finally gets him.


just not seeing the consternation over this

[Yssup Rider]

We get it Waco, you found a snappy meme.

But no matter how many times you post it it’s won’t make what Trump did moral, right or legal. And it won’t justify it.

He’s continually wiped his ass with the constitution and now he’s moved back to wiping his ass with the Ten Commandments. That ass gotta be sore.

Again, you’ve got nothing.

[The_Waco_Kid]

Originally Posted by Yssup Rider

We get it Waco, you found a snappy meme.

But no matter how many times you post it it’s won’t make what Trump did moral, right or legal. And it won’t justify it.

He’s continually wiped his ass with the constitution and now he’s moved back to wiping his ass with the Ten Commandments. That ass gotta be sore.

Again, you’ve got nothing.

do you get it? you can't have it both ways. either they all are illegal actions, Trump, Obama and Clinton are they aren't.


so which is it?

[Yssup Rider]

Originally Posted by The_Waco_Kid

do you get it? you can't have it both ways. either they all are illegal actions, Trump, Obama and Clinton are they aren't.


so which is it?

I’d call it a hijack attempt. But you knew that.

What did that meme say again?

Where did you get it?

You need to justify Trump’s personal war in the Caribbean with something ether than whataboutism. I suppose Reagan should be deed to your list. And Nixon.

TRump has been waging war on Venezuela for months. Nonstop. And was stupid enough to actually tell us why.

You want to argue your meme, start another thread. That is, when you find a way out of the corner you e painted yourself into.

[RX792P]

just not seeing the consternation over this

Seems you and Marco Rubio are the 'consternated' parties over this

You brought up Rubio's consternation

Rubio blasted Biden for only placing a $25 million bounty on Maduro but not trying to actively snatch the now-ousted president like President Donald Trump did on Saturday.

'Dating back, in the Biden administration, they had a $25 million reward for his [Maduro's] capture,'
'So, we have a reward for his capture, but we're not going to enforce it?
'That's the difference between President Trump and everybody else... President Trump did something about it.'

'only a $25M bounty'...'only' $10M more than Trump's original reward.
'we're not going to enforce it'...Trump did not enforce it during his original term...took Trump a 'mere' 8 months to increase the reward.

By your standards, one can also say Biden had mere months left in his term when he increased the Maduro reward to $25M.


That said, it appears no one will be able to claim the Maduro reward, so Rubio's comments may be irrelevant.
Plenty of other chances to claim a reward, though.
https://rewardsforjustice.net/index/

[The_Waco_Kid]

Originally Posted by Yssup Rider

I’d call it a hijack attempt. But you knew that.

What did that meme say again?

Where did you get it?

You need to justify Trump’s personal war in the Caribbean with something ether than whataboutism. I suppose Reagan should be deed to your list. And Nixon.

TRump has been waging war on Venezuela for months. Nonstop. And was stupid enough to actually tell us why.

You want to argue your meme, start another thread. That is, when you find a way out of the corner you e painted yourself into.

what difference does it make where i got it? and i got it from the OP's original post.

so was the OP hijacking his own thread or you just want to dispute it?

see below


thank you valued poster

Originally Posted by CG2014

first the capture of Maduro wasn't and isn't a war, we are not at war with Venezuela

second, many President before President Trump had used military action without needing to get Congressional Approval.

Two of them are Clinton and Obama.

Here is a graphic of it.

https://imgbox.com/r221Sge1

I did not embed the thumbnail picture to show here because of Eccie rules regarding 2 people in the same image

[RX792P]

Originally Posted by CG2014

first the capture of Maduro wasn't and isn't a war, we are not at war with Venezuela

second, many President before President Trump had used military action without needing to get Congressional Approval.

Two of them are Clinton and Obama.

Here is a graphic of it.

https://imgbox.com/r221Sge1

I did not embed the thumbnail picture to show here because of Eccie rules regarding 2 people in the same image

'At war' or not, the Maduro raid/arrest was a "use of force" as defined in the Geneva Convention/international law.

https://www.justsecurity.org/126156/...-boat-strikes/

1. Was the U.S. military operation and seizure of Nicolás Maduro a “use of force” under international law or a law enforcement operation?

It was both, and they are not mutually exclusive. While the Trump administration has leaned heavily into the law enforcement purpose of the raid (Maduro now faces charges in federal court in New York City), it was a military operation that involved U.S. armed forces conducting kinetic strikes against military (and potentially civilian) facilities within Venezuela before forcibly capturing the sitting head of state and his wife, and forcibly removing them from the country. The operation reportedly killed approximately 80 people. The operation was a use of force by one State against another under international law by any accepted definition of the term.

I do agree Maduro is a 'bad operator'. Whether his 'arrest' turns out to be a good thing or bad thing for the US is still very much an unknown.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't this set a precedent of the first time the US has implemented a use of force to arrest a sitting foreign head of state?

[CG2014]

Originally Posted by RX792P

Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't this set a precedent of the first time the US has implemented a use of force to arrest a sitting foreign head of state?

We did it with Saddam Hussein, did anyone on the left or did any Democrats in Congress complain?

We executed Usama Bin Laden, did anyone on the left or did any Democrats in Congress complain?


The USA also assassinated a few foreign head of states to stabilize regions and countries.


I don't recall many folks complaining too.

[Yssup Rider]

First of all, you're wrong about those guys. Neither were sitting heads of state.

The USA/CIA were involved in regime change and nation building quite extensively for decades. And yes, Democrats in Congress DID protest...in fact, there was this little conflict in the 50s and 60s in Southeast Asia you may be conveniently overlooking.

You don't recall because you either forgot it, weren't around for it or ignored it.

Or ... you don't believe the history books.

Context is everything, dude.

[RX792P]

Originally Posted by CG2014

We did it with Saddam Hussein, did anyone on the left or did any Democrats in Congress complain?

We executed Usama Bin Laden, did anyone on the left or did any Democrats in Congress complain?


The USA also assassinated a few foreign head of states to stabilize regions and countries.


I don't recall many folks complaining too.

You are correct that Hussein was was still considered Iraq's president when captured by U.S. forces on December 13, 2003, though his regime had fallen months earlier. At the time of Hussein's capture, Iraq was led by the Coalition Provisional Authority (CPA)

Osama bin Laden was not a head of state when he was killed in 2011; he was the leader of the terrorist organization al-Qaeda

OTOH, maybe the bombing of Gaddafi's residence could be tossed in, though the excuse there was he was not specifically target.

[SpeedRacerXXX]

Originally Posted by The_Waco_Kid

everything starting with this





so 6 years later after Biden did nada for 4 years and did not revoke Trump DOJ indictment but actually upped it Trump finally gets him.

just not seeing the consternation over this

And Trump since he took office a second time has bombed Iran, Nigeria, Somalia, Syria, Yemen, and Iraq. I do not remember anyone protesting these attacks.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2025/...bombed-in-2025

And yes, Biden upped the ante for "information leading to the arrest and/or convictions of Maduro and Maduro’s named Minister of Interior, Justice, and Peace, Diosdado Cabello." No mention of money offered to either killing or kidnapping Maduro. Just information.

Maybe you can't see it but there is a huge difference in the minds of most between actions taken by Obama and Biden and even Trump previously and what Trump just did in Venezuela. Trump is trying to personally take over the political direction of Venezuela. As long as the new president does what Trump wants he will let her continue to lead the country. If not, she too will be deposed at the whim of Trump. So wrong.