Russ Wants to Watch

[jackfengshui]

I find it ironic that some think it is justifiable for health insurance to cover ED drugs (because it is a "medical condition" unique to males) and not to cover female contraceptives (even though there is a "medical condition" unique to females, i.e., the vulnerability to become impregnated).

[Guest120615-3]

Originally Posted by jackfengshui

I find it ironic that some think it is justifiable for health insurance to cover ED drugs (because it is a "medical condition" unique to males) and not to cover female contraceptives (even though there is a "medical condition" unique to females, i.e., the vulnerability to become impregnated).

Well that's in no small part due to the dirty filthy fucking Big Pharma lobby! lol

[jackfengshui]

Originally Posted by mwebber

Well that's in no small part due to the dirty filthy fucking Big Pharma lobby! lol

Big Pharma pocketed $5 billion from ED drugs in 2011. I highly doubt that most doctors ever actually examine and verify the "medical necessity" of their patients before prescribing this highly expensive remedy.

Nevertheless, this might be money well-spent if, by improving the self-esteem and sexual satisfaction of a lot of guys, it reduces other social problems resulting from the presence of many unfulfilled horny guys.

[Guest070916]

Originally Posted by mwebber

Well that's in no small part due to the dirty filthy fucking Big Pharma lobby! lol

Good point lol!
Big Pharma pocketed $5 billion from ED drugs in 2011, however they no doubt pocketed far more from drugs needed for pregnancies and medical procedures needed, that might not have been spent had contraceptives been used.

Big Pharma may view contraceptives as limiting their profits and now use religious groups as their unwitting 'tools' to fatten their bottom lines.....lol

[jackfengshui]

Originally Posted by Celso

Big Pharma may view contraceptives as limiting their profits

Big Pharma may or may not be rooting for unwanted pregnancies with ulterior motives, but it is probably true that contraceptives are not very profitable for them because of the availability of generics.

[Doove]

Originally Posted by montana1958

Let me be the first to let you know Rush is an entertainer like Sean Hannity, Jon Stewart, Bill Maher, Janeane Garofalo who all have shows and say whatever they want.

"Rush is an entertainer"? Really? You're gonna rely on that tiring nonsense? Does he need to adhere to journalistic ethics and principles? No. But when it comes to calling someone a slut, he better have more to go on than the fact that she uses the pill and advocates for the medical benefits of the pill. Particularly given his stature in the Conservative movement.

He is like almost every tax paying citizen disgusted with the people asking for everything to be paid for with no regard for their own self-worth and personal responsibilities.

This has nothing to do with taxes.

And to put it in a perspective most on here can relate too, I like sex….. Can the government pay for my donation to the lovely ladies I get to meet? If they did I could possibly see more.

Again, this isn't about the government paying for anything.

A comparison he said on his show was of a women who likes sex but prefers it in a car but doesn’t own one. Should the government buy her a car?

That's your comparison. Here's mine. Let's suppose your wife finds it too painful to have sex without a certain medication. Should she be entitled to that medication as part of her health care plan?

And here's another.

Pregnancy is a 9 month medical condition that many women may want to avoid, for obvious reasons. If you were as susceptible to a 9 month flu bug as women were to getting pregnant, and if there existed a pretty sure fire vaccine which would prevent you from coming down with that flu bug, would you have a problem with the idea of insurance companies supplying it?

His comments may have been directed at Miss Fluke, but were a sad commentary about how our society has become a gimme gimme gimme state.

The bulk of her opening statement was health related. A good portion of the outrage over the Bishops making a big deal out of this is health related, though admittedly, not entirely. Nevertheless, just how hypocritical does one have to be to demand that ladies go to clinics for birth control if they can't afford it, while at the same time demanding that we de-fund clinics such as Planned Parenthood? And to only add to the hypocrisy, they are the same people, mind you, that are the loudest to bitch about people having too many kids on the public dole.

Call me ignorant Doove but disagreeing with me is not that. Commenting on untruthful reporting is what makes you ignorant. I heard the context and the media portrayed it leaving out the total story which makes it biased reporting on their part because they know the truth but have an agenda to slant stories. Not to become ALL political on here but the biggest problem this nation faces today is the biased news media. This is a perfect example on what they do.

Now we blame the media. Is there an eye roll smilie?

Sorry to bust your bubble Montana, but Rush Limbaugh's opinion is not news. His slant on things is not news. So no matter what additional context you or Rush Limbaugh may think the media had a duty to present regarding his comments, the fact is, they had none. What is news is that the leading voice of the Republican party used a made-up sexual history (meaning, he lied about her) to refer to someone as a slut. That's all we need to know because, no matter what larger point he may want to convince the gullible that he was making, he could have made it without calling someone a slut. Ergo, what he was truly interested in was calling someone a slut.

No one is denied access to contraception pills in this country.

And can i assume this echoes your sentiment during the whole "death panel" nonsense? You were outraged over the false suggestion that death panels existed in Obamacare, were you not? Didn't think so. Because, using your argument, even if death panels did exist, nothing in Obamacare would deny anyone treatment. If someone wanted to pay for whatever care they wanted or needed, not even the loudest screamer over death panels claimed Obamacare denied them the ability to pay for it themselves. And like you say, if we're going to rid ourselves of a gimme gimme gimme society, having death panels would be the way to go, would it not? Of course it would.

If you need them, go buy them.

Yup, if you need heart surgery, and Obamacare denied you that, pay for it yourself. I can only assume you'd see nothing wrong with that.

Go to a clinic and get them free.

See my comment about hypocrisy. And I'll add, just for the fun of it, that some of the clinics you want to send them to ARE subsidized by taxes. Yet another hypocritical part of your argument, as you sit there and whine as if this is about your concern as a tax paying citizen.

And doove high kudos to you. I believe you to be the Rush Limbaugh of ECCIE.

In the context of my being an entertainer, i'm sure.

[JONBALLS]

you guys forgot BIG OIL!!

[offshoredrilling]

how does heath care have nothing to do with tax if Obama wants Obamacare.

mmmmm we would be better off with a monkey in office.

[Doove]

Originally Posted by offshoredrilling

how does heath care have nothing to do with tax if Obama wants Obamacare.

Because the only real debate here is about whether religious organizations should be required to provide it.

mmmmm we would be better off with a monkey in office.

And sometimes i think we'd be better off if only monkeys were allowed to vote.

[JONBALLS]

Originally Posted by Doove

Because the only real debate here is about whether religious organizations .

not really, maybe in your world, the whole health care bill is questionably unconstitutional and thats not me saying that. Thank GOD we still have some , small checks and balances left..true facism may require you to wait just alittle longer , may only be some few monthe away, relax sparkey

[montana1958]

Originally Posted by Doove

In the context of my being an entertainer, i'm sure.

Points well taken Ma Ha Rushdoove. May I call you Rushdoove? Actually if you ever listened to his show you would find this quite funny.

Where to start with all your well thought out comments. It's not with Big Oil JB but that monkey idea has potential. Having never listened to the Rush Limbaugh show puts you at a big disadvantage to those of us that do. One thing he does and admits to is looking at something absurd and making absurd reactions and points on his radio show. The bulk of Miss Fluke's testimony talked about women’s health issues and conditions where contraception would somehow help in their treatment. No sane person would deny this and I mentioned way back to rely on the medical profession. If it was denied I would join the protest line in support to get coverage like with other lifesaving drugs. But that was not what she was brought there to do. Her intent was to make this about Republicans hatred towards women in the public’s eye to gain women’s votes in the upcoming election and to advance the socialists idea of the government dictating and regulating how our society is run. I am not a big conspiracy theory guy but one thing I have learned over the past several years is there is no one in government that can be trusted and none has the Americans’ back. Point being look at our national debt. 15 going on 16 trillion dollars. And the President’s budget for the current year adds 1.4 trillion more? With no scaling back of entitlement programs which are out of touch with reality. Every time our president talks he wants to provide more and more with no consequences to the future of this great nation. And this contraception plan is just the latest.

As far as your comments on being hypocritical of funding programs with taxpayer dollars that provide contraception for free, I am totally in favor of helping the needy in our society in whatever way possible. I donate clothing, help in soup kitchens and provide support when and where I can. But what I cannot do is help the helpless. Sometimes it may be a fine line but when you go in front of congress after attending Cornell for 4 years and are in a $50,000/year law school asking for that Jesuit college to pay premiums for your birth control is absurd to me as well as it was to Rush. And I think if people looked at it outside the political ring, would agree. You buy a $400,000 house and complain you can’t afford the taxes when you knew what they were when you bought it. ABSURD You buy a $75,000 Lexus and say you can’t afford $4.00/gallon gas. ABSURD You buy a $500,000 vacation home in Florida and complain that airfares are too much. ABSURD

There are things we may disagree about Ma Ha Rushdoove but I think we may also agree on quite a bit as well. And Jack you and I may be on opposite ends of this issue as well, but I know we agree Amber, Lee, Krystal, Hanna, Jenna (blondebarbie) and others are amazing women that we are fortunate to have in our lives.

[offshoredrilling]

Originally Posted by Doove

Because the only real debate here is about whether religious organizations should be required to provide it.



And sometimes i think we'd be better off if only monkeys were allowed to vote.

And they should not have to. Nor should any heath care company. If a employer wants it in the care they give out fine. If they do not fine again. I say that if religious or not. A church based hospital or school should not be made to give that to employees or client/student. And that goes for any other company also.

no to Obamacare. And sex should not be part of Medicare

I'm surprised you think only Bush II should be allowed to vote. I do not what him or the current pres. as King. In-fact lets lets not have Kings or Queens. Both Bush's sucked, almost as much as Obama.

edit: and the monkey thing was bait. no matter what you said if replied to. I had ya.

[jackfengshui]

Originally Posted by montana1958

Jack you and I may be on opposite ends of this issue as well, but I know we agree Amber, Lee, Krystal, Hanna, Jenna (blondebarbie) and others are amazing women that we are fortunate to have in our lives.

Our common experience with these fair ladies (plus MJ, Misty, ...) will always bring us together despite the occasional civil political discourse.

[jackfengshui]

The clips from Stephen Colbert and Jon Stewart in this report are hilarious.

[montana1958]

I know there are even a few more Jack. Misty and MJ are also very special. Heather who resurfaced in Rochester.

Discourse and debate is good Jack. It's what makes this country what it is. Even Hillary's famous speech hits home.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJxmpTMGhU0







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