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Bartman1963 · 03-14-2011, 03:40 PM

VK, my post wasn't directed toward you in particular. I don't think you bit anyone's head off.

The only gallows humor I heard after 9/11 (long time ago) was I believe a joke about how it would "Now be possible to have a smashing good time in Manhattan". I believe my response to that person was a groan, and "Come on, we're at war now"...

And after the recent horror in Tuscon I heard "I always heard Tuscon was a nice town but I guess grocery shopping is just murder." I got a little sick in my stomach over that one and said "Too soon man, too soon..." but I have to admit that the joke did give me a smile for a second.

Sillygirl, the only donation I'm going to make anytime soon is to you and that as soon as possible.

KCJoe · 03-14-2011, 03:51 PM

I was going to make a donation to Red Cross, but I couldn't find a way to direct it towards the Japan cause on their website, then I ran across this article.

http://www.cnbc.com/id/42076147

I got to thinking about the Haitian disaster, and how funds donated have yet to be spent. So I've decided to delay any contribution until the dust settles to determine where the greatest need is.

JRLawrence · 03-14-2011, 05:22 PM

" ...you obviously failed to realize the sarcasm with that sentence.
When I typed the sentence, "Japan didn't back Hitler" from the history books I've read, that was a correct sentence......
As for the Trail of Tears, my ancestors lived it ..."

It is hard to get sarcasm in the written word: no tone of voice.

Germany, Italy, and Japan were partners in WWII. Iraq and many other of the Middle East countries would be labeled as "backing" them. At the end of WWII Germany transfered as much as possible of its' atomic weapons material, notes, etc. to Japan in the hope that Japan could produce the weapon because Germany was about to loose the war. It was a race between the US and Germany-Japan to see who could produce the weapon first.

As for the main reason for WWII: it was a continuation of WWI. WWI was started over money, not as the text books tell us about a Grand Duke. Look at the economy of Germany before WWI: it was a powerhouse that ran all over the rest of Europe: because of the advances that Germany had in the field of chemistry it had a production of fertilizer (and the nitrogen compounds lead to the synthetic production of explosives and ammunition). The fertilizer made Germany the Bread Basket of Europe. With the growth of chemistry and agriculture Germany outpaced the rest of Europe, and was hated for it. So what happened at the end of WWI, some of the chemical plants were taken away from Germany (Read FRANCE). After WWI the german chemists wanted their property back - they were angry. They backed Hitler. He started WWII and the first thing that happened was to regain the property that they claimed was taken from them wrongly.

A fast type for a different twist on Hitler, WWII, Chemistry, and the Economy. Sorry, a lot of details are old, I read this stuff about 45 years ago; but, I remember one source "Chemistry in the Economy", or something like that I should still have the book, but where it is buried after all these years would make me pause.

As for the Trail of Tears: let's just say I know the Nation very well, and I know Tahlequah, OK very well. One thing that is usually taught _____ is how bad it was for_____. The one thing that is many times ignored is why some people became angry with the Cherokee for backing the British during the Revolutionary War. But then, much of the South backed Great Britain because the cotton crops were shipped directly to Great Britain; they just did not have a lot of contact, or interaction with The North. That being said; what was wrong with Andrew Jackson that he took his wrath out on The Nation. The Supreme Court backed the Cherokee people, and Jackson disobeyed the Court.

As with most things in life. In order to understand what is going on, just follow the money.

JR

Longermonger · 03-14-2011, 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by vkmaster

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As far as your question regarding would anyone "feel better if 9k Americans die from earthquake vs 3k of a terrorist attack...sorry WHAT A STUPID QUESTION!!!!...AS WELL AS THE FOLLOW UP QUESTION!

There is NO feeling better about any of those situations. And of course it would not matter if 10 people or 10,000 were killed...if any of them were a loved one I would be devastated regardless of the situation....as I am sure the rest of us would!!!!

You almost got it. You were so close!

This is digital. People are either alive or dead. Numbers matter. More dead equals worse disaster.

Yes it WOULD matter if 10 people or 10,000 were killed, if one of the additional 9,990 were a loved one.

MsElena · 03-14-2011, 07:51 PM

Bartman,

I understand that people deal with certain situations in different ways, but you know as well as I do that when you post something in a public, you're going to have to deal with feedback. Everyone is allowed to voice their opinions. Its just in poor taste to make jokes about any hardship in my opinion.

As for the donating comments....yep, I donated money on Saturday and I'm putting things that they might need in the morning for my church who is sending people over to help and give out care packages.

SinsOfTheFlesh · 03-14-2011, 11:42 PM

I'm honetly a little bit aghast at some of the comments on this thread. Some random thoughts related to various posts:

* Japan paid their "karma" debt (if such a thing exists) in full after Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

*As one who had a very good friend who worked at the Pentagon, and had to wait three agonizing days before I learned that he wasn't at the Pentagon that day, I can honestly say, there is nothing remotely humorous about tragedy. Schadenfreude is not humor, though it often wears the face of humor.

*Actually, comparing the earthquake in Japan to 9/11 is not that far off base (I'm shocked that I find myself siding with Longer on this). Every Japanese citizen experienced an event that will forever impact and alter their lives. Unlike 9/11, they do not have an evil villain to blame for their tragedy, but tragedy it is nonetheless. Just as our national psyche was wounded deeply on 9/11, so too, are the citizens of Japan reeling from a sucker punch that has left them deeply wounded, but struggling to overcome. And overcome they will, and they will rebuild and be stronger for it.

*Its wonderful to know that somewhere in this world, a hungry child is sleeping tonight with a repaired cleft palate. Yes, I donated to the Red Cross the day of the earthquake. I give regularly to the Red Cross year round, but when a disaster of this proportion strikes - anywhere in the world - I always give a little extra, knowing that the resources of The Red Cross will be strained as they respond to a crisis of this magnitude.

And that's all I have to say about that.

guest010313 · 03-15-2011, 07:50 AM

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Originally Posted by vitokc

I haven't , not directly anyway. I'm sure many of us contribute to agencies' funds that will be contributing to the cause. Some of us do contribute year round, year after year and don't wait for disaster to strike.
Have you contributed?

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See post #41

vitokc · 03-15-2011, 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by SillyGirl

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See post #41

I did, after I posted.

deacon · 03-15-2011, 06:28 PM

I would like to know how many people in this thread have sent in aid?
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lmao...sure you would..and i would like to know how much of your cash business you pay taxes on..do tell..lmao.

guest010313 · 03-15-2011, 06:37 PM

What does charitable giving have to do with taxes?

deacon · 03-15-2011, 06:43 PM

well a lot..what part dont you get?

guest010313 · 03-15-2011, 06:57 PM

Would you like for me to repeat the question a little more explicitly?

All of the tears and sadness in this thread, and I was wondering how many people were going to actually contribute to fixing the problem.

The question of taxes is completely irrelevant. Are you confused about the definition of "charity"?

deacon · 03-15-2011, 06:58 PM

ya know silly girl that question is so far to the liberal left it makes me know that liberalism is a mental disorder..it would be kin to saying ' what does income have to do with charitable giving?"

guest010313 · 03-15-2011, 07:05 PM

Um, as anyone that has ever met can attest, I am not a liberal.

Good try on the trolling though!

A bit of work and you'll be ready for the minors. If you would like any tips I'd be happy to tutor.

Fsn57 · 03-15-2011, 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by SinsOfTheFlesh

*Actually, comparing the earthquake in Japan to 9/11 is not that far off base (I'm shocked that I find myself siding with Longer on this). Every Japanese citizen experienced an event that will forever impact and alter their lives. Unlike 9/11, they do not have an evil villain to blame for their tragedy, but tragedy it is nonetheless. Just as our national psyche was wounded deeply on 9/11, so too, are the citizens of Japan reeling from a sucker punch that has left them deeply wounded, but struggling to overcome. And overcome they will, and they will rebuild and be stronger for it.

Everyone is a little different, personally I found it easier to get over a "shit happens"/"force of Nature" tragedy than one with an evil villain. The villain scenario fostered hate and a desire for revenge that was contrary to healing. As long as the villain exists (and as slow as our justice system is) the entire event is prolonged it gets very emotionally tiring. The "shit happens" scenario leaves you with no one to hate or seek revenge against, healing started quicker. I see the two (9/11 and the Japan tragedy) as completely separate items with only dead people as the common factor.

Not arguing or picking a fight, just saying my experience is different.