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05-01-2021, 05:48 PM
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#46
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Premium Access
Join Date: Dec 31, 2009
Location: Texas
Posts: 1,764
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It seems that writing reviews for premium access has been limited by fewer spas and independents since no credit if same provider reviewed in a fairly short time period...I don’t understand those rules, but I think many only write reviews to get credit. I also believe that their are a lot of fake reviews submitted so poster can gain premium status.
May not have expressed this well, but hopefully you get the jest of my comments.
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05-05-2021, 02:14 AM
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#47
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Gaining Momentum
Join Date: Aug 16, 2018
Location: Dallas
Posts: 90
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The covid pandemic slowed down the scene. The AMP's need to repair themselves from covid. Covid made it where more people has their wifes/girlfriends work from home, so they dont have time to get away. Also covid made people lose some income based on their jobs.
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05-06-2021, 10:51 AM
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#48
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Gaining Momentum
Join Date: Nov 5, 2014
Location: Houston
Posts: 36
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I will agree that the spa scene isn't what it was pre-covid but it is still better than most. It could be worse, go look at the Houston AMP section to see how bad it could be.
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05-06-2021, 12:25 PM
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#49
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BANNED
Join Date: Jun 5, 2016
Location: Chang’s head
Posts: 3,126
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I blame it all on the promotors
They have ruined the game. Raised prices
Made false claims
Lies about age
Lies about services
And now shorting customers on time.
They also tried to block a mod from seeing a provider
Horse is banned
Just waiting on the CEO
hopefully soon
Hopefully PERMANENT
PROMOTOR LLC
is on meltdown mode right now
Chatter is they even threatened bodily injury to a customer.
And tried to set him up.
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05-06-2021, 12:48 PM
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#50
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Valued Poster
Join Date: Dec 31, 2009
Location: Texas
Posts: 455
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Can only answer for myself. Longtime member, but down to just a casual reader (I don't even bother to keep premium access any more) and only occasional reviewer.
In the past year, the covid lockdown has slowed things down a lot. Spas get shut down during every election season as politicians and candidates try to show off their bona fides. Anti-Asian sentiments and violence are running high right now, and places like AMPs are targets for it. Spas are slow to reopen or expand, so it's just reviews of the same places over and over. Eccie itself has changed since FOSTA/SESTA and fewer people are joining to keep things going, so it's the same voices over and over, and the same arguments over and over.
For myself, I don't work in DFW any more, nor do I have clients that need me to travel there, so coming into the city for an AMP visit is a real time investment. The focus on this sub has been Catholic services to the exclusion of just about everything else. I don't partake of it, especially not at a high-volume place like an AMP, so purely on the merits of what remains as a courtesan spa service: the ladies are old (much older than the reviews indicate), lack the ability to make personal connections in my native language, and sometimes just have difficult or bad attitudes. There are some real gems there, but it isn't worth my time to drive an hour or so into the city for a crapshoot session.
If there is a bad session, I really don't bother to write it up. I'll soft peddle any negative session because I don't want to deal with the white knights. And for those of you who have written reviews, you know that most of the DMs you get are "is she catholic, duur?" which is a fucking waste of time.
So, I end up writing a review for about 1 in 5 sessions, only when I need premium access for some reason. Only when the review is favorable. I try to stick to the facts, rather than writing a Penthouse Forum fanfic self insert about how the girl complained my cock was too large or whatever. Most of the action in the post-FOSTA/SESTA era has moved to semi-regular SD or UTR arrangements, at least from personal experience, and that has only increased during the pandemic.
I don't worry about so-called "promoters". They're no worse than the white knights who used to overrun this board and would rave about their ATFs and troll anyone who disagreed with them. There's no honor or objective truth here about reviews, and there never has been. For me, AMPs provide a quick way to get in without a lot of screening or scheduling nonsense, but the overall quality and variety of the product is really lacking. It has been for a couple of years now, whether or not the reviews reflect that or not.
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05-06-2021, 02:59 PM
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#51
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Valued Poster
Join Date: Jan 17, 2021
Location: PENN STATE
Posts: 801
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I came here from Houston, the Woodlands, the spas here look great in comparison.
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05-06-2021, 03:15 PM
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#52
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BANNED
Join Date: Jun 5, 2016
Location: Chang’s head
Posts: 3,126
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Originally Posted by Capital
I came here from Houston, the Woodlands, the spas here look great in comparison.
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I can try to guide you.
Welcome to Dallas new guy
Stay away from the promotors
They tell only lies.
Ruined the amp scene in Dallas
Members are finally seeing the promotor true colors.
Nice name capital. Wish you well
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05-06-2021, 04:05 PM
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#53
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Valued Poster
Join Date: Apr 13, 2021
Location: Aledo,TX
Posts: 715
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Originally Posted by ketro
Can only answer for myself. Longtime member, but down to just a casual reader (I don't even bother to keep premium access any more) and only occasional reviewer.
In the past year, the covid lockdown has slowed things down a lot. Spas get shut down during every election season as politicians and candidates try to show off their bona fides. Anti-Asian sentiments and violence are running high right now, and places like AMPs are targets for it. Spas are slow to reopen or expand, so it's just reviews of the same places over and over. Eccie itself has changed since FOSTA/SESTA and fewer people are joining to keep things going, so it's the same voices over and over, and the same arguments over and over.
For myself, I don't work in DFW any more, nor do I have clients that need me to travel there, so coming into the city for an AMP visit is a real time investment. The focus on this sub has been Catholic services to the exclusion of just about everything else. I don't partake of it, especially not at a high-volume place like an AMP, so purely on the merits of what remains as a courtesan spa service: the ladies are old (much older than the reviews indicate), lack the ability to make personal connections in my native language, and sometimes just have difficult or bad attitudes. There are some real gems there, but it isn't worth my time to drive an hour or so into the city for a crapshoot session.
If there is a bad session, I really don't bother to write it up. I'll soft peddle any negative session because I don't want to deal with the white knights. And for those of you who have written reviews, you know that most of the DMs you get are "is she catholic, duur?" which is a fucking waste of time.
So, I end up writing a review for about 1 in 5 sessions, only when I need premium access for some reason. Only when the review is favorable. I try to stick to the facts, rather than writing a Penthouse Forum fanfic self insert about how the girl complained my cock was too large or whatever. Most of the action in the post-FOSTA/SESTA era has moved to semi-regular SD or UTR arrangements, at least from personal experience, and that has only increased during the pandemic.
I don't worry about so-called "promoters". They're no worse than the white knights who used to overrun this board and would rave about their ATFs and troll anyone who disagreed with them. There's no honor or objective truth here about reviews, and there never has been. For me, AMPs provide a quick way to get in without a lot of screening or scheduling nonsense, but the overall quality and variety of the product is really lacking. It has been for a couple of years now, whether or not the reviews reflect that or not.
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I appreciated your insight. It’s true, back when we had hundreds of girls in Dallas it was way easier to make connections. Now some of my favorite girls are tried and sore for the demand in Dallas being to high. I wouldn’t doubt that some of these girls are probably close to being millionaires from all the traffic they have gotten since the vaccine came out.
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05-06-2021, 04:18 PM
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#54
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BANNED
Join Date: Jun 5, 2016
Location: Chang’s head
Posts: 3,126
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Originally Posted by Deus_Soul
I appreciated your insight. It’s true, back when we had hundreds of girls in Dallas it was way easier to make connections. Now some of my favorite girls are tried and sore for the demand in Dallas being to high. I wouldn’t doubt that some of these girls are probably close to being millionaires from all the traffic they have gotten since the vaccine came out.
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Between the Botox gambling cigarettes. I doubt it
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05-06-2021, 04:33 PM
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#55
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Gaining Momentum
Join Date: Nov 5, 2014
Location: Houston
Posts: 36
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I came here from Houston, the Woodlands, the spas here look great in comparison.
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I have family and friends in H-town, every time I go down there I am thankful I live in DFW now.
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05-06-2021, 04:36 PM
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#56
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Valued Poster
Join Date: Dec 31, 2009
Location: Texas
Posts: 455
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Originally Posted by Deus_Soul
I wouldn’t doubt that some of these girls are probably close to being millionaires from all the traffic they have gotten since the vaccine came out.
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Between the Botox gambling cigarettes. I doubt it
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Exactly, the house fee goes to the house, and the tip goes through a lot of different hands. Plus, you're dealing with people who got themselves into this situation by not being very good with money. I remember seeing an estimate that a pre-pandemic spa would gross about $10k to $20k per day. It's probably not a good idea to think too hard about how that money gets spread around.
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05-06-2021, 04:38 PM
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#57
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Valued Poster
Join Date: Dec 31, 2009
Location: Texas
Posts: 455
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I have family and friends in H-town, every time I go down there I am thankful I live in DFW now.
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It's been all downhill since Nagoya Spa closed.
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05-06-2021, 08:27 PM
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#58
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BANNED
Join Date: Jun 5, 2016
Location: Chang’s head
Posts: 3,126
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Originally Posted by ketro
Exactly, the house fee goes to the house, and the tip goes through a lot of different hands. Plus, you're dealing with people who got themselves into this situation by not being very good with money. I remember seeing an estimate that a pre-pandemic spa would gross about $10k to $20k per day. It's probably not a good idea to think too hard about how that money gets spread around.
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Amps can’t do those numbers anymore. Unless you force a girl like cherry to fuck
14 guys a day. Those were the days when amps got away w shit like that.
Not anymore.
Yes cherry “ legend “
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05-06-2021, 10:19 PM
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#59
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Valued Poster
Join Date: Dec 31, 2009
Location: Texas
Posts: 455
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$20k per day was possible and maybe even a low estimate back in the peak days of Hawaii Spa. They would have 10 girls available and they offered add-ons like the jacuzzi room. I was always bumping into other mongers in the common areas and parking lot. They had a waiting room, and there would sometimes be three or four guys just sitting there waiting their turn. I learned pretty quick to go in and out through the kitchen.
I was responding to the idea that the girls make a lot of money, when they actually get less than half of it. They get it tax and mostly rent free, but like any good capitalist business, the owners keep the profits and the workers get fucked. Whenever these places turn up in the Morning News, they mention the bags of cash found at the owners' homes. The owners were almost certainly holding onto the girls' money for for "safe-keeping."
Back to the subject at hand. Reviews are the only reliable way for these places to advertise on a site like this. Yall may not remember it, but there used to be ads for this shit in adult entertainment guides and alternative newspapers at adult bookstores and video peepshows. They used to have massage parlor listings in the Yellow Pages. Then there were websites like Big Doggie, Eros, TER, ASPD, then craigslist, backpage. Rules and enforcement on places like that changed. They can't get P411 verified. Paid ads showing up as reviews on Eccie has always been happening, even back to the beginning. After SESTA/FOSTA, this site no longer has an ads section so reviews are the only way to reach hungry mongers.
I don't mind sharing this because the place has since shut down, but in my latest review from the Austin area, at the end of my session, the provider wanted me to show her how I had found out about the AMP. She was aware of Eccie and OH2. I pointed pointed her to a Bedpage listing. She offered a review discount on my next visit for a positive review. I wrote an honest positive review, but I didn't go back or take advantage of the discount. I don't know whose cut that discount would have come out of.
Because of election season crackdowns, the global pandemic, and the downturn of the economy, the quality and number of spas has greatly declined over the past couple of years. And as the whole industry-not just amps-moves more underground, there aren't new reviewers joining up on sites like this to keep outside viewpoints represented. I don't think it's going to come back in any big way. The Texas Miracle economy and cheap real-estate, low cost-of-living are both things of the past. The days of people walking around the metroplex with too much money and not enough common sense is long gone. People will always find a way to get their nut, but the concept of hobbyist review boards and brick-and-morter spas are dinosaurs and they will eventually go extinct. The promoters didn't cause it. The causes are too complex. But they are still holding on here while others have moved on so they are more visible now than before.
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05-07-2021, 07:24 AM
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BANNED
Join Date: May 2, 2021
Location: dallas
Posts: 30
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It's ass holes like Peter Bota and VADC that Dallas isn't as active as it used to be. At least "promotors" bring attention to the girls and help them out. But it's because of people like Peter and Vadc, that girls are all leaving Dallas.
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