On Juneteenth, the legacy of slavery

[rooster]

Not picking on Catholics, per se. It was just my upbringing, and I found key parts of it very hypocritical.

But as far as "belief" beyond that, I am a true agnostic. I'm very respectful of people who truly are faithful. But I am not. And I hate nothing more than people who use religion as part of an agenda outside of being a good person, living well.

Evangelical Christianity's involvement in politics is becoming very disturbing. Especially the "prosperity gospel" people.

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[Levianon17]

Originally Posted by rooster

Not picking on Catholics, per se. It was just my upbringing, and I found key parts of it very hypocritical.

But as far as "belief" beyond that, I am a true agnostic. I'm very respectful of people who truly are faithful. But I am not. And I hate nothing more than people who use religion as part of an agenda outside of being a good person, living well.

Evangelical Christianity's involvement in politics is becoming very disturbing. Especially the "prosperity gospel" people.

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There is no Christianity involved in politics.

[Salty Again]

... Blimey! .. . The thread topic surely flew right out the window
so some o' you lads could attack religion.

#### Salty

[Jacky S]

Originally Posted by Salty Again

... Blimey! .. . The thread topic surely flew right out the window
so some o' you lads could attack religion.

#### Salty

Salty, “religions” have been creating God in their own image since the dawn of time.

Faith and spirituality are about an individule’s personal standing with what ever Deity he feels compelled to worship.

Religion is about control.

Any “religion” that has as part of it’s teaching that one man can enslave another man is definitely of man, and not of God.

[rooster]

^^^^^^^^^^
Perfectly said.

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[Yssup Rider]

Originally Posted by Salty Again

... Hang on for half-a-mo... No doubt 1blackman1 knows how
Africans became slaves and how they got to America.
Most people understand it.

But, as 1blackman1 stated - how they got to America really
don't matter in the grande scheme of the discussion.

... Because as He correctly reminds everybody:
No mater how or why the slaves got here - They Were Still
Placed Into Slavery!

... They were SLAVES here... No matter WHO brought them.
And THAT is 1blackman1's point.

... Just sayin'


... Though I am tryin' to figure how this thread is political.

#### Salty

Slavery was the cause of states seceding from this country - based on politically legislated actions.

The two congresses, politically, declared war on each other.

Slavery was abolished by an act of Congress.

The disposition of the freed slaves was at the heart of national, state and local politics for a hundred years after the abolition. And continues today.

Still figuring?

[VitaMan]

What gave the northern States the will to sacrifice their sons and fight the Civil War, instead of letting the Southerners secede and continue on with their economic way of life ?


There must have been plenty of protests in the north. What did the people of places like Maine and Vermont get out of it ?

[Jacky S]

Originally Posted by VitaMan

What gave the northern States the will to sacrifice their sons and fight the Civil War, instead of letting the Southerners secede and continue on with their economic way of life ?


There must have been plenty of protests in the north. What did the people of places like Maine and Vermont get out of it ?

Very good question.
And, no doubt, the Northern States Population were far from being 100% in agreement as to why it would take a War to keep the Union together.

But the War did come, and after the first Battle of Bull Run, (Manasas), the North was even more divided, because the reality of men dying in a bloody conflict was very disturbing.

So what brought them together. Many things, far too many to simply start listing them. So I’ll just give my top pick.

It took a man of unusual vision to inspire the Country to look at the Declaration of Independence and our Constitution and see that this great experiment in Government was worth fighting for.

That man was Abraham Lincoln. Just read his words in the Gettysburg Address. If you cannot be inspired by those words, the problem cannot be with the man saying them.

[Tiny]

Originally Posted by Yssup Rider

Slavery was the cause of states seceding from this country - based on politically legislated actions.

The two congresses, politically, declared war on each other.

Slavery was abolished by an act of Congress.

The disposition of the freed slaves was at the heart of national, state and local politics for a hundred years after the abolition. And continues today...

Thanks for bringing us back on topic. I wouldn't care but don't want people to get points.

I think Salty actually had changed his mind about whether this is political. And now Vitaman probably has too -- he came back with a truly thought provoking post. And Jacky's reply was great.

Originally Posted by VitaMan

What gave the northern States the will to sacrifice their sons and fight the Civil War, instead of letting the Southerners secede and continue on with their economic way of life ?


There must have been plenty of protests in the north. What did the people of places like Maine and Vermont get out of it ?

As a pacifist I would have wanted to avoid war and put pressure on the south to come around. But if ever there were an American war justified on moral grounds, it was the war between the states.

[CPT Savajo]

Who said slavery ever stopped? Slavery goes on in EVERY nation in 2025. Slavery will only stop when humans cease to exist.

[CPT Savajo]

Originally Posted by Tiny

And it's not just economic effects of slavery that persist until today. Look at homicide rates in those countries in the Caribbean and Africa and states in the USA where slavery was most common. And also countries in Latin America where Spanish oppression of native peoples was equivalent to enslavement. They're higher than in places on the three continents where slavery was less common.

If you look at homicide statistics from US states where slavery was most common you'll see that blacks are murdering blacks way more than whites are murdering blacks. The statistics are so lopsided with blacks killing blacks and blacks killing whites in America that it's a major problem that the Democrats and liberal media won't address as a serious problem.

What the Spanish crown did to South America, Central America, and the Caribbean was outright slavery. They indoctrinated and enslaved the local people to an extent that they practically all speak the King's Spanish, in his tongue. That's generational slavery, hardcore slavery.

[rooster]

Much of the high rates of black on black crime has its roots in poverty. Poverty that is a result of the fact that economic conditions have never improved to the point where many of them can lift themselves out of it.

Poverty leads to more poverty. And often increased rates of violent crime.

It ain't "the Democrats and liberal media" that aren't dealing with this. It is ALL of us.

Case in point: the uneven benefits of the tax cuts in the Big Beautiful...whatever the fuck it is. The very poor benefit nowhere near as much as the very well off. Tariff policy negatively impacts lower income people more than people with higher incomes. If SALT limits are increased, they will have almost no benefit for poorer people. It goes on.

But I'm not blaming just the Trump Admin or the GOP. Like I said....ALL of us are failing to deal with this.

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