Round 'em up and ship 'em out?

[Why_Yes_I_Do]

Originally Posted by Tiny

That’s a great recipe for ensuring China will be the only super power in the long run...

Nope! Though I will say our downfall, i.e. the presently most likely WWW III scenario is if we let the entirely desperate, out of popular ideas and violent Left Wing-Nut jobs, goad us into a Civil War. That is when the Chyyyyna would pounce - IMMHO.

Originally Posted by Tiny

...Granted, nonviolent, hard working illegal immigrants should be converted to legal guest workers, and allowed to remain in the USA in numbers sufficient to do the work Americans don’t want to do. And the H1B lottery should be replaced by a merit system...

Balderdash! Try that with your own home by leaving the door unlocked and wide the hell open. We've had a "temporary migrant worker" program (remember migrant farm workers?) going back to the 1950's or better.

And no!! We're not gonna grandfather in the flood that O'Bama and AutoPen bestowed/foisted upon us. That is what we voted for and won by the Electoral College, Popular vote, all 7 Swings states and both houses of Congress for.

And no!! Too ding-danged bad if the Left Wing-Nut jobs don't have the sense and introspection to comprehend that they are in THE minority now, in the grand scheme of things.

Originally Posted by Tiny

...The birth rate for native born American women is 1.73, meaning...

...that too many people cannot define what a women is, such as a current Supreme Court Justice, because our learning institutions were turned into Indoctrination Centers!

[jayjaychrome]

Originally Posted by texassapper

Is that a feature of American culture (which we don't celebrate or promote anymore) or was that a feature of the people we allowed to immigrate?

Odd, they still play the national anthem at games for which nearly everyone stands. I still see lots of American flags. Plenty of schools still say the pledge of allegiance. If I celebrate America, who will stop me?

This is a really odd lie. Is this a rhetorical tactic? Yikes.

Originally Posted by texassapper

Why is the globalists ONLY solution to declining birth rates immigration from the third world? Why is it only WESTERN nations that need diversity? Why don't African nations need diversity? Why not South American nations? Why don't we allow unfettered immigration from Western nations to the third world?

Well allowing immigration means allowing other people into our country, so it doesn't make sense to "allow" migration into other nations. We don't control their laws. We control our laws. Perhaps you should ask those nations why they don't allow immigration. Why would America dictate the immigration laws of other countries? Is that what you're asking for? Your premise doesn't make any sense at all. Please review the definition and proper usage of the word "immigration" vs "emigration".

I'm really disappointed in this argument in particular.

Originally Posted by texassapper

That has NOTHING to do with DIVERSITY. It has EVERYTHING to do with American culture which we are NOW teaching everyone is RAYCISS, SEXIST, TRANSPHOBIC, ISLAMOPHOBIC etc.

*racist. Spell checker man. I'm starting to see why your arguments are bad: Lack of attention to detail.

Originally Posted by texassapper

WE HAVE ALWAYS HAD THAT... thats why immigrants came here and assimilated. We don't have it anymore because American culture has now been categorized as evil colonial yadda yadda yadda... why assimilate into a culture that Hollywood, the left, and academia claims is the worst thats ever existed?

Immigrants don't come to America because it's been demonized? Well that's obviously false. Or they don't assimilate because...people demonize America? I thought it was because dog poop has changed colors. It used to be white, not it's brown.

Both my theory and your theory have an equal amount of supporting evidence. I choose to blame the dog poop but both theories are equally unsupported.

Originally Posted by texassapper

no... Its right. Our culture STARTS with obeying the laws... you can't assimilate people whose INITIAL act on our soil is to break the law.

What a weird claim. First, since we're just making amorphous claims not grounded in reality, the initial founding of America involved breaking laws, so the idea that breaking a law when initially entering is kind of dumb. So my amorphous claim counters fully your amorphous claim.

But also, where does this totally made up "illegal act on first entry" principle end? If I bring a drug into a state where it's illegal, does that mean I can't assimilate into this state? What if the state then changes that law? Is it too late? Does this apply to all laws or just some? All soil? All people? What about US born citizens who break laws? Are they automatically assimilated despite the laws they break? How does that work? Is a drug dealing citizen who kills someone more assimilated than an illegal immigrant who commits no other crimes?

No offense, but your theory sounds very poorly thought out and flimsy. Back to the drawing board with that one.

[jayjaychrome]

Originally Posted by Why_Yes_I_Do

that too many people cannot define what a women is, such as a current Supreme Court Justice, because our learning institutions were turned into Indoctrination Centers!

No, my theory is too many undesirable right wing incels who's views are so repulsive they can only share them on anonymous hooker forums. Not enough desirable men with non shit values for women to fuck and have babies with.

[Why_Yes_I_Do]

Originally Posted by jayjaychrome

No, my theory is too many undesirable right wing incels who's views are so repulsive they can only share them on anonymous hooker forums. Not enough desirable men with non shit values for women to fuck and have babies with.

You mean there are less of "you". Don't you?

BTW: Was just looking at some data about the dwindling of the whole trans-itory thing over the last couple years. Seems there are, in fact, even less of ya'll, i.e. shrinking ironically enough, since the last election, notwithstanding the still glaring lack of popular, i.e. the 20% instead of the 80%, ideas geared to the majority of voters.

But that's OK-fine by me. Keep up the great work. Thanks.

[texassapper]

Originally Posted by jayjaychrome

Back to the drawing board with that one.

[Jacuzzme]

Originally Posted by jayjaychrome

No, my theory is too many undesirable right wing incels who's views are so repulsive they can only share them on anonymous hooker forums. Not enough desirable men with non shit values for women to fuck and have babies with.

He posts on an anonymous hooker forum.

*smfh*

[Why_Yes_I_Do]

Originally Posted by jayjaychrome

...Not enough desirable men with non shit values for women to fuck and have babies with.

Long since outta the baby making business. Even though very successful, I've moved on to the grand baby rackets. Kill'n it to...

[Precious_b]

Originally Posted by ICU 812

Still not sure I am getting it.

Re my family . . . .My Grand mother (now deceased) was a holocaust survivor who was "liberated" by Russian troops and then lived under communist oppression after the war. The USA didn't screw up Hungary, the Nazis and communists did.

Still n not sure how Spanish and Portuguese domination of South America and Mexico has anything to do with the USA either. Right now, I understand tha communist China is taking widely involved there

This discussion is vering off topic in my view so lets get back to why, how and perhaps who should be deported.

I stated that this country (USA) had a big hand in screwing up countries south of the border. Not Spain or Portugese (that is another story.) And going hand in hand how we did that is donny blabbing his big mouth about having the CIA messing around in Venezula.

[Tiny]

There's lots to unpack here! And lots in your replies to TxDot too, although I won't have time today. See replies in red text.

Originally Posted by texassapper

Bullshit. We didn't rise to global power because we had a great immigration policy. In fact we had EXTREMELY limited immigration in the years where we became a superpower.

The foreign-born share of the population from 1860 to 1920 was in the range of 13.2% to 14.4%. It's around 14% now. Not much difference.

in 1965 we opened the flood gates to the third world, and well you can look around and see the impact.

What's your basis, to believe we opened the flood gates in 1965? In any event the USA is a lot more prosperous today than it was in 1965.

China isn't going to become a sole super power by opening their borders... why the fcuk would you think we would?

Au contraire. This year China introduced the new K Visa, to attract foreigners with backgrounds in Science, Technology, Engineering and Mathematics. Unlike the USA's H1B visa, there's no piddly ass quota of 85,000 per year. In fact, there's no limit on the number of K visas that will be granted. Furthermore, unlike the H1B, employer sponsorship is not required, the applicant isn't restricted to the employment role specified in the application, and the regulatory burden on the employer is minimal. China sees a huge opening in the global war for talent because of the Trump administration's blunders, and it's driving straight through it!

The biggest lie in the the last 50 years is that "Diversity is our strength". Theres ZERO evidence for that to be true.

The mongrel is stronger than the pure breed. Hitler had it backwards.

Again No. Leftists NEVER WANT TO FINISH THAT SENTENCE.

There is no such thing as jobs Americans won't do.... the full sentence should read... Job Americans won't do AT THAT WAGE. Illegals suppress wages for American workers. PERIOD.

Why do you hate the American worker that you want to import a bunch orf third world goat herders to replace them?

Quell Horreur!! Who gives a fcuk? Maybe without immigration, wages will rise and people can have kids..

You've got that backwards, dear texassapper. You apparently want to follow along with Howard Lutnick, and have Americans leave their good paying, rewarding jobs to screw little screws in iphones. And work in slaughter houses and do seasonal farm work. You apparently want them to be paid less, and not have kids. I say "apparently" because that's not really what you want. You're just sadly misguided.

Again... I don't care. I want a safe place to raise my family in an AMERICAN culture. Not little New Dehli. You act as if we HAVE to keep expanding the population forever...

Indian food is very tasty! And Indian Americans are less violent that your average white person. If the birth rate is 1.73 and there's no immigration, we'll get smaller and smaller each year, and disappear into obscurity, a footnote in the history of mankind.

H1Bs should be restricted to less than 1000 per year... in TOTAL. You can't tell me we can't find talent here in America to replace what we're dragging in from the rest of the planet.

This year, nine Nobel Prizes were awarded in the sciences, physics, chemistry and medicine. Of those three went to foreign born, naturalized Americans, including Omar Yaghi, who was born in Jordan.

About 35% of all Nobels in the sciences awarded to Americans since 1901 were to immigrants.

Forty four percent of U.S. billion dollar startup companies (so-called unicorns) are immigrants.

Sixty percent of Forbes "top AI startus" have at least one immigrant founder.

Forty six percent of Fortune 500 companies were founded by immigrants or children of immigrants. One hundred nine by immigrants.

Over 20% of new businesses in the USA are started by immigrants.

Elon Musk, Sergey Brin (Google) and Jensen Huang (NVIDIA) are immigrants.

Originally Posted by txdot-guy

You are not wrong

Yes he is.

[Ducbutter]

Originally Posted by jayjaychrome

It used to be white, not it's brown.

I guess this explains why your arguments are bad.

Snick!

[Ducbutter]

Originally Posted by Tiny

The foreign-born share of the population from 1860 to 1920 was in the range of 13.2% to 14.4%. It's around 14% now. Not much difference.

This doesn't exactly tell the whole story Tiny. Here's what Google AI came up with when I asked about foreign born share in 1950:

"In 1950, the foreign-born population in the U.S. was 10.3 million, which was 6.9% of the total population. This number represented a decline from previous decades due to the low levels of immigration during the 1930s and 1940s. "

Not to mention that today's economy and labor markets look much different than that of the 1920's. The immigrants who arrive today with no technical or language skills are doomed.

[ICU 812]

The discussion of the colonial history of South America and Mexico is off topic from the OP topic of repatriating foreign nationals who have entered illegally from the USA.

[Tiny]

Originally Posted by Ducbutter

This doesn't exactly tell the whole story Tiny. Here's what Google AI came up with when I asked about foreign born share in 1950:

"In 1950, the foreign-born population in the U.S. was 10.3 million, which was 6.9% of the total population. This number represented a decline from previous decades due to the low levels of immigration during the 1930s and 1940s. "

Not to mention that today's economy and labor markets look much different than that of the 1920's. The immigrants who arrive today with no technical or language skills are doomed.

You're right Ducbutter. I was trying to piss off texassapper, apparently not too successfully. Yet.

I told the truth, but not the whole truth. The foreign born population dipped in the 1930's, and by 1965 was pretty close a low. Please note that some of the people who did immigrate to the USA during that period affected the course of history, Albert Einstein and Werner von Braun to mention two.

And agreed, illegal immigration got out of hand during the Biden administration. And as long as we don't have a new guest worker program and ICE is clamping down, unskilled immigrants will have a tough time. A merit based system for anyone potentially on a citizenship path would be much preferable to what we have now. Even the tiny allotment of H1B's aren't merit based. They're awarded by lottery.

[jayjaychrome]

Originally Posted by Why_Yes_I_Do

Long since outta the baby making business. Even though very successful, I've moved on to the grand baby rackets. Kill'n it to...

I love that my comment made you feel insecure enough that you had to share this as a rebuttal

[Ducbutter]

Originally Posted by Tiny

You're right Ducbutter. I was trying to piss off texassapper, apparently not too successfully. Yet.

I told the truth, but not the whole truth. The foreign born population dipped in the 1930's, and by 1965 was pretty close a low. Please note that some of the people who did immigrate to the USA during that period affected the course of history, Albert Einstein and Werner von Braun to mention two.

And agreed, illegal immigration got out of hand during the Biden administration. And as long as we don't have a new guest worker program and ICE is clamping down, unskilled immigrants will have a tough time. A merit based system for anyone potentially on a citizenship path would be much preferable to what we have now. Even the tiny allotment of H1B's aren't merit based. They're awarded by lottery.

Sorry, as usual I'm not really following the thread that closely. I just read what I responded to and thought, "That sounds wonky, even for Tiny!"