My disgust is ineffable: democrat lawmakers urge military to commit crimes

[Yssup Rider]

So to summarize, you MAGA boys agree with Twitler that the authors of that heinous video should be executed.

Not a question, but a conclusion based on the rage whining in this thread.

Thank you my fellow Americans.

[texassapper]

Originally Posted by Mort Watt

Do you support the President saying these things?

The man is entitled to his opinion and to voice it. You're just helping him break the leftists OODA loop. Why would I stop you now?

Originally Posted by Mort Watt

Do you support these ideas yourself?

Well since they spoke like shithouse lawyers, I don't think they advocated anyone to act... But that's precisely what they hope for.. else why the stunt? And if leftists really gave a shit about Joe obeying disobeying unlawful orders...where were they when the Pentagon ordered experimental injections into the entire military?

Regardless, they should be on the shitlist at VA, Pentagon, basically any place that has a strong veteran bent because encouraging dissension in the ranks is not the move of the politically powerful or astute.

Leftists are getting pretty desperate...

[69in2it69]

Originally Posted by texassapper

I know this may seem difficult for you to understand but arguments over due-process do not rise to the level of "Manifestly" obvious. I mean thats why we argue over those things in courts of law.

Any Officer, NCO, or Soldier disobeying an order to detain an illegal is gonna find their ass living at inspection status for the next 20 years in Leavenworth. And the very fact that you think this IS something a soldier is oath bound to disobey means you don't understand what you don't understand. I'm just gonna assume it's on purpose.

Anyone with a 9th grade reading comprehension could tell I’m talking about those who DISREGARDED judges orders and deported those people on those flights. Don’t play dumb, you may be in a cult, but you’re not dumb. Fuck the guy who detains illegals. Lock up the guy who orders them deported (or follows those orders) without due process. Understand yet?

[Why_Yes_I_Do]

Originally Posted by 69in2it69

...Denying due process is considered illegal as it violates the rights guaranteed by the Constitution, specifically the Fifth and Fourteenth Amendments, which protect all persons from being deprived of life, liberty, or property without fair legal procedures. This applies to both citizens and non-citizens within the United States...

...or you are. But I recall the Constitution being applicable to American citizens, i.e. We the People, not illegal aliens, who are, in point of fact, here illegally, though the legal term is more correctly: Entry without inspection.

While not the OP topic specifically, on September 5, 2025 the immigration judges lost ability to grant bond to these actors, if that is what you were calling out as a justification for what many would call Seditious Conspiracy by the group of six, who are not retained by the military to give legal advice to soilders.

BIA Decision Strips Immigration Judges of Bond Authority, All but Guaranteeing Mandatory Detention for Undocumented Immigrants

Published: September 12, 2025
Author: Rebecca Cassler
Topics: Due Process and the Courts, Immigration Courts

On September 5, the Trump administration took yet another step to punish undocumented people in the United States.

In Matter of Yajure Hurtado, the Board of Immigration Appeals proclaimed that any person who crossed the border unlawfully and is later taken into immigration detention is no longer eligible for release on bond. This decision reverses longstanding precedent and will needlessly separate families and harm communities while lining the pockets of private prison companies.

Before Yajure Hurtado: Eligibility for release on bond for most undocumented immigrants

Entry without inspection is by far the most common charge in ongoing immigration court cases. In fiscal year 2024 alone, it was used in over a million of the 1.76 million immigration court cases initiated that year. This trend has so far continued into 2025, with an entry without inspection charge in 62% of new cases.

Before September 5, the official BIA position was that in the run-of-the-mill case of a person who entered without inspection, the immigration judge had power to grant release on bond under INA § 236(a) if the person did not have a disqualifying criminal record and the judge was satisfied, after a hearing, that the person was not a danger to the community or a flight risk. The BIA reiterated this position in a precedential decision less than three months ago.

Immigration court bond hearings are far from perfect. But they provide at least some minimal process to show that immigration detention, which is supposed to be civil and not punitive in nature, is not arbitrary and instead serves a legally legitimate purpose. The odds are already against the noncitizen seeking release: in most immigration courts, the burden of proof lies with the person seeking release on bond, and not the government. This means the noncitizen has to prove that they do not pose a flight risk or a danger to the community. Even with stacks of evidence, freedom is far from assured. In July, for example, immigration judges ordered release on bond in less than half of bond hearings nationally. Those who win bond must come up with the cash (the average bond was $8,176 in August 2025). After that, their immigration court process continues, but between hearings they may live their lives in their communities.

Bond authority has long excluded some people seeking to come in at the border or a port of entry, under INA § 235(b)(1) and (2). People detained under INA § 235(b) may instead seek release on parole, granted only at the discretion of the Department of Homeland Security. But these days parole is all but a dead letter, with ICE data showing the average monthly parole releases for the last six months dropping by 98.5% compared to the last three months of 2024.

After Yajure Hurtado: Mandatory detention for all who entered without inspection

Yajure Hurtado involved a citizen of Venezuela who crossed the border without inspection in November 2022 and later obtained Temporary Protected Status. When his TPS purportedly expired (likely as a result of DHS’ premature cancelation of the 2023 TPS Venezuela designation, which a judge recently held was unlawful), DHS detained him and placed him in removal proceedings based solely on a charge that he entered without inspection under INA § 212(a)(6)(A)(i).

Mr. Yajure Hurtado argued, given his residence in the United States for three years, that he was not “seeking admission” as required by INA § 235(b)(2)(A), and therefore § 236(a) was the relevant detention statute and he was entitled to a bond hearing.

The BIA rejected this argument, announcing that people who entered the United States without being “admitted” by an immigration officer are “applicants for admission,” and therefore the border detention statute, INA § 235(b)(2), applies when they are in removal proceedings.

The decision creates a sweeping new rule that strips most noncitizens who entered without inspection of the right to seek bond from an immigration judge, regardless of how long they have been residing in the country or where they were arrested....

You can view the case file here, if'n ya want to.

[texassapper]

Originally Posted by 69in2it69

Anyone with a 9th grade reading comprehension could tell I’m talking about those who DISREGARDED judges orders and deported those people on those flights. Don’t play dumb, you may be in a cult, but you’re not dumb. Fuck the guy who detains illegals. Lock up the guy who orders them deported (or follows those orders) without due process. Understand yet?

LOL. oh you're so precious when you talk about shit you don't have any experience with. Yeah, that's exactly what I would expect some Salty E-5 to come back at me with..."Yeah the 4th Circuit Court of Appeals granted an Emergency Stay on loading this flight. That totally over rides the orders I have from my National Command authority to load this manifest of prisoners onto this Bird..."
I can see some Full Bird Colonel (It is a VIP flight afterall) totally rethink whether he should lose his fcuking shit all over the tarmac on this stupid shit for brains E-5 or should he thoughtfully join the progressive young Sergeant in questioning the legality of the orders to fly this load of prisoners to Bumfcuk Honduras.

Oh Jesus, you're absolutely hilarious. That skit will totally kill at the next dining in.

[Mort Watt]

Originally Posted by Schwarzer Ritter

How many times must it be said before you understand?....

Innumberable. Expecting me to "understand" lies is...INEXPLICABLE. And almost everything you have said about this, starting with the thread title, is a damn lie.

Post as much rationalization as you want. It doesn't matter one bit.

All that these people did was remind troops of their obligations to refuse unlawful orders.

The only thing truthful thing you post in your cut-and-paste dump from some idiotic clickbait Right-wing asshole is "In my opinion..."

As I said in another post, it is interesting that you are being much nore careful in using phrases like that now!

[Mort Watt]

Originally Posted by Mort Watt

To paraphrase the OP, I am still looking for answers to this:




Do you support the President saying these things? Do you support these ideas yourself?

C'mon MAGA. Stop pussyfooting around with moronic, obtuse thread titles...weird, trite idioms about splintered logs...endless reposts of the tiresome "Jack" meme...and bullshit rationalizations about "Nancy didn't want the troops so it's her fault!"

TELL US your REAL thoughts about this. Man up, Patriots.

Originally Posted by texassapper

The man is entitled to his opinion and to voice it. You're just helping him break the leftists OODA loop. Why would I stop you now?

Well since they spoke like shithouse lawyers, I don't think they advocated anyone to act... But that's precisely what they hope for.. else why the stunt? And if leftists really gave a shit about Joe obeying disobeying unlawful orders...where were they when the Pentagon ordered experimental injections into the entire military?

Regardless, they should be on the shitlist at VA, Pentagon, basically any place that has a strong veteran bent because encouraging dissension in the ranks is not the move of the politically powerful or astute.

Leftists are getting pretty desperate...

It is interesting how careful you are being in your response! Kinda like the OP has been doing in this thread and at least one other.

Well, regardless...it is tempting to say that you "pussied out" in your answer. But at least you responded. The only one I've seen. The rest truly have no balls, just continue to spread lies and hope that my uncomfortable question goes away....

[69in2it69]

Originally Posted by Mort Watt

It is interesting how careful you are being in your response! Kinda like the OP has been doing in this thread and at least one other.

Well, regardless...it is tempting to say that you "pussied out" in your answer. But at least you responded. The only one I've seen. The rest truly have no balls, just continue to spread lies and hope that my uncomfortable question goes away....

The title says it all. Blatant lie about what the lawmakers said. If fact, it's the exact opposite of what they said.

[Schwarzer Ritter]

Cut and paste.....try again.

And it is not the job of the clueless six to remind the troops of anything and you shouldn't be spreading fake shit like that.

[Lantern2814]

Originally Posted by Mort Watt

Thanks for the drive-by!

I learn more from you every time you post!

I never woulda thought that someone could scream "NUH UH!!!" in that many words. Never!

And don't worry...some might call your continual responses to everything I post stalking. Or...at minimum...obsessive. Petulant and crude. illegitimate and childish in their reflexive, blunt rage.

Not me! I would never say those things. And I appreciate the Repost and you bringing me back into these threads as often as you do. These...are not...the insults...you are looking for.

A rant a three year old would be proud of. And another lie from you. Got anything on topic?

[Mort Watt]

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Originally Posted by Mort Watt

....I appreciate the Repost and you bringing me back into these threads as often as you do....

[Mort Watt]

Originally Posted by Schwarzer Ritter

Cut and paste.....try again.

And it is not the job of the clueless six to remind the troops of anything and you shouldn't be spreading fake shit like that.

Ooops. You were being careful in your phrasing the past few posts. I guess that was a fluke maybe....

But...

Really? I should try again? Okay.

Again. I ask you:

SHOW US the words these 6 people said that "urge military to commit crimes" (the very title of this thread).

To that I add:

SHOW ME the "fake shit" that I am "spreading."

You will do neither. Because neither exists.

That will not stop you from continuing to post lame distractions, try to cover your ass.

But you will once again not post any proof whatsoever of your misrepresentations of what these people said.

Or of any "fake shit" that you say I have posted.

(Christ, I almost hope you post off topic again...maybe a Mod will put this turd of a thread out of its misery)

[lustylad]

This isn't really that complicated.

The "illegal order" has to come first. Followed by the decision to disobey it.

Exactly which illegal order(s) are the six Democrats in this video urging our troops to disobey?

Please be specific.

[txdot-guy]

Here is a partial transcript of the video in question.

“We know you are under enormous stress and pressure right now, Americans trust their military, but that trust is at risk. This administration is pitting our uniformed military and intelligence community professionals against American citizens like us. You all swore an oath to protect and defend this constitution,”
“Right now, the threats to our Constitution aren’t just coming from abroad, but from right here at home. Our laws are clear,” “You can refuse illegal orders…you must refuse illegal orders. No one has to carry out orders that violate the law or our constitution.”

What exactly is seditious and treasonous in these words?

[The_Waco_Kid]

Originally Posted by txdot-guy

Here is a partial transcript of the video in question.

“We know you are under enormous stress and pressure right now, Americans trust their military, but that trust is at risk. This administration is pitting our uniformed military and intelligence community professionals against American citizens like us. You all swore an oath to protect and defend this constitution,”
“Right now, the threats to our Constitution aren’t just coming from abroad, but from right here at home. Our laws are clear,” “You can refuse illegal orders…you must refuse illegal orders. No one has to carry out orders that violate the law or our constitution.”

What exactly is seditious and treasonous in these words?

all of it. this is an intentional and egregious LIE


"This administration is pitting our uniformed military and intelligence community professionals against American citizens like us."


how exactly is this happening? what proof? this is about Trump lawful use of guard troops to assist ICE and law enforcement. if that fat asshole Pritzker wasn't such a anti-trump asshole he'd have called out his guard troops years ago. this fat fucking asshole allows thousands to be killed while sheltering those who kill them, illegal or not. do you really think any of this would be happening if not for the Demonrat's anti-police nonsense?


unless these assholes cite exactly what they are talking about, what exactly is or even could be an "unlawful order" they are exactly what they are ... anti-Trump Demonrats. and guilty of sedition if not outright treason.