What happened to America???

[lustylad]

Originally Posted by jayzee43

By the way, Serbia and Hungary have plenty of "corruption, fraud and political dysfunction".

Every country has it. It's a matter of degree. In some countries it's rare, in others it's rampant. There are consultants out there who measure this stuff. If you travel or do business overseas, you should know it from first-hand experience. Why do you want to let in immigrants from the MOST corrupt countries, instead of the LEAST corrupt ones?

Oh my, look at this! Out of 182 nations, Somalia and Venezuela are ranked among the 3 MOST CORRUPT in the world! Haiti ranked #170 and Nicaragua was #175. Weren't those countries at the top of the Biden/Harris preferred immigration list? How stupid was that?

Read the entire report here:

https://files.transparencycdn.org/im...-Report-EN.pdf

[HDGristle]

Preferred immigration by what metric?

Mexico, India, China, Philippines, Cuba, El Salvador, Dominican Republic, Guatemala, Vietnam, Colombia for total volumes

Mexico, India, Philippines, Dominican Republic for naturalization

Most of them live in California, Texas, Florida and New York

Somalia is interesting, since you brought them up. TPS for Somalia was an American priority, albeit quite low proportionally, since 1991. Meaning it went in under Elder Bush and remained in place all the way until Trump 2.0 so hardly a major Biden preference.

Are you actually looking at stats when making claims?

Would it shock you to know that ending TPS for Somali's affects hundreds of people? Not thousands. Not tens of thousands. Not hundreds of thousands. Certainly not millions.

So preferred by what metric? Trump's dogwhistles?

[lustylad]

Originally Posted by HDGristle

Preferred immigration by what metric?

Biden telegraphed his preferences when he launched his "parole" program back in 2022. This flagrant abuse of our immigration laws allowed 30,000 migrants a month to fly into the US, simply by applying online and listing a sponsor, usually a relative or some phony far-left NGO.

So... what 4 countries did Joey select to take advantage of this crazy program? Nicaragua, Haiti, Venezuela and Cuba!

According to the above-cited corruption study, here is how each of those 4 ranked among 182 nations in the survey:

Nicaragua - 175th most corrupt
Haiti - 170th most corrupt
Venezuela - 180th most corrupt
Cuba - 82nd most corrupt

Attaboy, Joe! Way to show everyone how to pick winners!!

What's even more outrageous - all of these "paroled" migrants were considered "legal", meaning they aren't even counted in the estimated 12 million illegals who poured in on Biden's watch.

[jayzee43]

Originally Posted by lustylad

https://files.transparencycdn.org/im...-Report-EN.pdf

PERCEIVED corruption. Corruption "PERCEPTIONS".

Not a real thing. Fake news. Bogus study. Lol.

But hey, nice try.

[lustylad]

Originally Posted by jayzee43

PERCEIVED corruption. Corruption "PERCEPTIONS".

Not a real thing. Fake news. Bogus study. Lol.

But hey, nice try.

Your comment is off-the-charts ignorant. Open the link. Then read & learn how the scores are calculated.

Unfortunately, corruption is a very real thing. Go live in Somalia for a year, then come back and tell us it's not thoroughly corrupt. The biggest victims are the most vulnerable populations - the poor, the powerless, the least educated. Sad that you don't seem to care about them or desire to help them clean up corruption in their countries.

[HDGristle]

Originally Posted by lustylad

Biden telegraphed his preferences when he launched his "parole" program back in 2022. This flagrant abuse of our immigration laws allowed 30,000 migrants a month to fly into the US, simply by applying online and listing a sponsor, usually a relative or some phony far-left NGO.

So... what 4 countries did Joey select to take advantage of this crazy program? Nicaragua, Haiti, Venezuela and Cuba!

According to the above-cited corruption study, here is how each of those 4 ranked among 182 nations in the survey:

Nicaragua - 175th most corrupt
Haiti - 170th most corrupt
Venezuela - 180th most corrupt
Cuba - 82nd most corrupt

Attaboy, Joe! Way to show everyone how to pick winners!!

What's even more outrageous - all of these "paroled" migrants were considered "legal", meaning they aren't even counted in the estimated 12 million illegals who poured in on Biden's watch.

They had no such maximums for the programs for Ukraine or Afghanistan. Which calls into question your logic about preference.

CHNV didn't begin until 2023, though the original Venezuela program began in Oct 2022.

It brought in around 530k people in total and had a 2 year cycle, so you can look at the math on if they hit the 30k month cap or not

There was no dual-intent or direct path under that program to permanent residency or citizenship. And yes, this was a legal status.

This all pokes a bunch of holes in the ship you built about preferring Somalia and Venezuela. That boat don't float, Lusty. The data doesn't show what your feels feel.

One could easily argue that you're against what many consider to be more in line with Christian values and America being that shining city in a hill Reagan spoke of, along with some core American values

[fd-guy]

Originally Posted by lustylad

Biden telegraphed his preferences when he launched his "parole" program back in 2022. This flagrant abuse of our immigration laws allowed 30,000 migrants a month to fly into the US, simply by applying online and listing a sponsor, usually a relative or some phony far-left NGO.

So... what 4 countries did Joey select to take advantage of this crazy program? Nicaragua, Haiti, Venezuela and Cuba!

According to the above-cited corruption study, here is how each of those 4 ranked among 182 nations in the survey:

Nicaragua - 175th most corrupt
Haiti - 170th most corrupt
Venezuela - 180th most corrupt
Cuba - 82nd most corrupt

Attaboy, Joe! Way to show everyone how to pick winners!!

What's even more outrageous - all of these "paroled" migrants were considered "legal", meaning they aren't even counted in the estimated 12 million illegals who poured in on Biden's watch.

That’s quite a chain of conclusions.

Just to make sure I’m following:

A parole program existed for people from four countries.

Those countries have corruption problems.

Therefore the migrants must be shady and the sponsors are probably fake NGOs.

That’s… a lot of steps with no evidence in the middle.

The program itself allowed up to 30,000 people per month total from Cuba, Haiti, Nicaragua, and Venezuela, provided they had a U.S. sponsor and passed vetting and background checks.

If there’s actual data showing widespread sponsor fraud or “phony NGOs,” feel free to share it.

Otherwise it sounds more like a theory than a documented problem.

[lustylad]

Originally Posted by fd-guy

If there’s actual data showing widespread sponsor fraud or “phony NGOs,” feel free to share it.

Otherwise it sounds more like a theory than a documented problem.

Here ya go:

"A sweeping GAO audit of Biden-era parole programs says sponsor vetting broke down so badly that U.S. officials cleared sponsors who were dead, made up, or tied to crime, even as the programs brought in hundreds of thousands of people through legal flights meant to cut dangerous border crossings. The audit’s findings, centered on United for Ukraine (U4U) and the Cuban-Haitian-Nicaraguan-Venezuelan (CHNV) process, describe what it calls a “ready-fire-aim approach” that put speed first and left basic legal checks in limbo, with U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services (USCIS) and Customs and Border Protection (CBP) each assuming the other agency had verified key requirements."

https://www.visaverge.com/news/how-s...role-programs/


"The Biden-Harris parole program that allows as many as 360,000 illegal aliens a year from Cuba, Haiti, Nicaragua and Venezuela (CHNV) to enter the United States is not only illegal, but is fraud-ridden. The fraud is so massive that the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) quietly paused the program in the hope they could get it fixed before the American public learned about the extent of the problems."


"The report that FAIR exposed details the alarming results of an internal review USCIS performed of thousands of sponsor applications for the CHNV parole program “to identify patterns, trends, and potential fraud indicators.” The new and never disclosed internal report suggests massive fraud in the application process, and specifically, fraudulent information used in thousands of Forms I-134A, the paperwork a sponsor files with USCIS for each alien seeking parole through the CHNV program.

Here’s what FAIR exposed:

• Applicants (sponsors) and parolees used fake Social Security Numbers (SSNs), including SSNs of deceased individuals.
  
• Applicants often did not provide their income (even though the sponsor is financially required to support the alien).
  
• Sponsors who did provide their income “often [did] not meet the financial threshold to support the number of parolees they intend to sponsor.”
  
• Applicants (sponsors) used fake phone numbers. One sponsor’s phone number was reported on over 2,000 forms submitted by 200 different sponsors.
  
• Many applications listed the same physical address. In fact, 100 addresses were listed on over 19,000 forms, and many parole applicants applied from a single property (including a mobile park home, warehouse, and storage unit).
  
• The same exact answers to Form I-134A questions were provided on hundreds of applications – in some instances, the same answer was used by over 10,000 applicants.
  
• Many applications were submitted by the same computer IP address, and many applicants used fictitious zip codes and visa stamp A-numbers (which are generated by USCIS)."

"... even without fraud, the Biden-Harris administration has no statutory authority to run the CHNV or other immigration parole programs it has created. The law clearly states that parole may only be exercised on a case-by-case basis in very specific instances where national or humanitarian interests are served. Nevertheless, as FAIR reported in March, these illegal parole programs are now allowing more people to enter the country each year than legal immigrants who are granted green cards."

https://www.fairus.org/biden-harris-...-massive-fraud

[HDGristle]

Strongly recommend you look into FAIR a bit before responding, FD. They're one of Lusty's favorite sources on the topic.

It's enlightening

[lustylad]

Originally Posted by HDGristle

Strongly recommend you look into FAIR a bit before responding, FD. They're one of Lusty's favorite sources on the topic.

It's enlightening

FAIR didn't actually "uncover" the massive fraud. They merely drew attention to the findings of the USCIS (US Customs & Immigration Service) and the GAO (General Accounting Office).

So if your only strategy is to "shoot the messenger" it's not FAIR (pun intended).

[lustylad]

Originally Posted by HDGristle

One could easily argue that you're against what many consider to be more in line with Christian values and America being that shining city in a hill Reagan spoke of, along with some core American values

Uh-oh! Time to play the "I'm going to heaven, and you're not" card.

How many times do people like me need to tell you?

Read it again, slowly:

I'm not against immigration. I'm against illegal immigration.

Stop conflating the two.

The fact that you keep deliberately ignoring or blurring this crucial distinction is the reason we wind up with people like Stephen Miller in charge!

[fd-guy]

Originally Posted by lustylad

Here ya go:

"A sweeping GAO audit of Biden-era parole programs says sponsor vetting broke down so badly that U.S. officials cleared sponsors who were dead, made up, or tied to crime, even as the programs brought in hundreds of thousands of people through legal flights meant to cut dangerous border crossings. The audit’s findings, centered on United for Ukraine (U4U) and the Cuban-Haitian-Nicaraguan-Venezuelan (CHNV) process, describe what it calls a “ready-fire-aim approach” that put speed first and left basic legal checks in limbo, with U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services (USCIS) and Customs and Border Protection (CBP) each assuming the other agency had verified key requirements."

https://www.visaverge.com/news/how-s...role-programs/


"The Biden-Harris parole program that allows as many as 360,000 illegal aliens a year from Cuba, Haiti, Nicaragua and Venezuela (CHNV) to enter the United States is not only illegal, but is fraud-ridden. The fraud is so massive that the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) quietly paused the program in the hope they could get it fixed before the American public learned about the extent of the problems."


"The report that FAIR exposed details the alarming results of an internal review USCIS performed of thousands of sponsor applications for the CHNV parole program “to identify patterns, trends, and potential fraud indicators.” The new and never disclosed internal report suggests massive fraud in the application process, and specifically, fraudulent information used in thousands of Forms I-134A, the paperwork a sponsor files with USCIS for each alien seeking parole through the CHNV program.

Here’s what FAIR exposed:

• Applicants (sponsors) and parolees used fake Social Security Numbers (SSNs), including SSNs of deceased individuals.
• Applicants often did not provide their income (even though the sponsor is financially required to support the alien).
• Sponsors who did provide their income “often [did] not meet the financial threshold to support the number of parolees they intend to sponsor.”
• Applicants (sponsors) used fake phone numbers. One sponsor’s phone number was reported on over 2,000 forms submitted by 200 different sponsors.
• Many applications listed the same physical address. In fact, 100 addresses were listed on over 19,000 forms, and many parole applicants applied from a single property (including a mobile park home, warehouse, and storage unit).
• The same exact answers to Form I-134A questions were provided on hundreds of applications – in some instances, the same answer was used by over 10,000 applicants.
• Many applications were submitted by the same computer IP address, and many applicants used fictitious zip codes and visa stamp A-numbers (which are generated by USCIS)."

"... even without fraud, the Biden-Harris administration has no statutory authority to run the CHNV or other immigration parole programs it has created. The law clearly states that parole may only be exercised on a case-by-case basis in very specific instances where national or humanitarian interests are served. Nevertheless, as FAIR reported in March, these illegal parole programs are now allowing more people to enter the country each year than legal immigrants who are granted green cards."

https://www.fairus.org/biden-harris-...-massive-fraud

FAIR is an immigration advocacy group with a pretty explicit policy agenda, so treating their reports as neutral evidence is a bit like citing Greenpeace to settle an energy debate. It tells you what the organization thinks, but it’s not exactly an independent audit.

If there’s a government report, court ruling, or neutral analysis confirming the same conclusions, that would be more useful than an advocacy summary interpreting the data.

Also, you’ve bundled together a lot of different claims here — fraud indicators, program legality, sponsor vetting, NGO involvement, etc. Rather than trying to chase five arguments at once, which one do you think actually has the strongest evidence behind it?

If there’s a solid source for that specific claim, it should be pretty straightforward to look at what it actually says.

[lustylad]

Originally Posted by fd-guy

FAIR is an immigration advocacy group with a pretty explicit policy agenda, so treating their reports as neutral evidence is a bit like citing Greenpeace to settle an energy debate. It tells you what the organization thinks, but it’s not exactly an independent audit.

If there’s a government report, court ruling, or neutral analysis confirming the same conclusions, that would be more useful than an advocacy summary interpreting the data.

Wow. You disappoint me. I will refrain from saying something sarcastic about your reading comprehension, but I already noted that the conclusions were contained in TWO internal government reports - one by USCIS and the other by the GAO. In other words, not by FAIR. I thought you were better than resorting to "shoot the (wrong) messenger".

Originally Posted by fd-guy

Also, you’ve bundled together a lot of different claims here — fraud indicators, program legality, sponsor vetting, NGO involvement, etc. Rather than trying to chase five arguments at once, which one do you think actually has the strongest evidence behind it?

If there’s a solid source for that specific claim, it should be pretty straightforward to look at what it actually says.

Not sure what your point is. You list 4 claims, not 5. Three of them are documented & substantiated by the internal USCIS and GAO reports I just cited. That should have been more than enough to shut the program down (regardless of Biden administration efforts to tie up the legality question in federal court as long as possible). Think cumulatively. As in "the straw that broke the camel's back".

[HDGristle]

Originally Posted by lustylad

Uh-oh! Time to play the "I'm going to heaven, and you're not" card.

How many times do people like me need to tell you?

Read it again, slowly:

I'm not against immigration. I'm against illegal immigration.

Stop conflating the two.

The fact that you keep deliberately ignoring or blurring this crucial distinction is the reason we wind up with people like Stephen Miller in charge!

You actually seem like you're more in line with Stephen Miller and the blood of our people crowd

[fd-guy]

Originally Posted by lustylad

Wow. You disappoint me. I will refrain from saying something sarcastic about your reading comprehension, but I already noted that the conclusions were contained in TWO internal government reports - one by USCIS and the other by the GAO. In other words, not by FAIR. i thought you were better than resorting to "shoot the (wrong) messenger".




Not sure what your point is. You list 4 claims, not 5. Three of them are documented & substantiated by the internal USCIS and GAO reports I just cited. That should have been more than enough to shut the program down (regardless of Biden administration efforts to tie up the legality question in federal court as long as possible). Think cumulatively. As in "the straw that broke the camel's back".

I’m not “shooting the messenger.” I’m pointing out that an advocacy group’s interpretation of a report isn’t automatically the same thing as what the report actually proves.

The GAO material you’re citing talks about fraud indicators and weak internal controls in sponsor vetting, which is a legitimate criticism of how the program was administered. But that’s a much narrower finding than the sweeping conclusions you’re drawing from it.

Piling several concerns together and calling them “cumulative” doesn’t magically turn them into proof of the larger narrative. That’s not dismissing the reports — it’s just reading them rather than the commentary about them.

And for what it’s worth, whether I disappoint you or not isn’t really a factor in how I read a report.