Russ Wants to Watch

[Doove]

Originally Posted by montana1958

Sometimes it may be a fine line but when you go in front of congress after attending Cornell for 4 years and are in a $50,000/year law school asking for that Jesuit college to pay premiums for your birth control is absurd to me as well as it was to Rush. And I think if people looked at it outside the political ring, would agree.

Unfortunately Montana, any reasonable points you may have made are more than offset with this nonsense. Sandra Fluke was not testifying on behalf of Sandra Fluke. She was testifying on behalf of women. Those that go to $50,000/yr law schools, and those that make $20,000/yr working 2 jobs.

I've never had a prescription given to me that i couldn't afford out of my own pocket. But i've also never had a prescription written for me that i didn't think my insurance company should pay for. So i guess i'm one of those that thinks i should have other people pay so i don't have to deal with sneezing and puffy eyes in the spring, eh Montana?

You buy a $400,000 house and complain you can’t afford the taxes when you knew what they were when you bought it. ABSURD You buy a $75,000 Lexus and say you can’t afford $4.00/gallon gas. ABSURD You buy a $500,000 vacation home in Florida and complain that airfares are too much. ABSURD

You forgot one:

And if you're born with ovaries and complain that getting knocked up for 9 months is a medical situation you don't want to deal with? ABSURD.

What's ABSURD is the suggestion that people have no standing to advocate for something they may not truly require themselves. But, of course, if she was in a position of truly needing it, then the Rushbots would still claim she was only advocating for it out of personal selfishness. Seems she couldn't win.

Let's suppose, instead of birth control, she was advocating for medical marijuana to be covered under health insurance plans (assuming it were legal). And let's suppose it was known that she'd benefit medically from it (as she does from birth control vis a vis being a woman). Would you be out here claiming she was simply trying to get you to pay for her getting high? Seems so.

[JONBALLS]

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[montana1958]

Originally Posted by Doove

Sandra Fluke was not testifying on behalf of Sandra Fluke. She was testifying on behalf of women. Those that go to $50,000/yr law schools, and those that make $20,000/yr working 2 jobs.

You really think that is what she was testifying about?????

Originally Posted by Doove

I've never had a prescription given to me that i couldn't afford out of my own pocket. But i've also never had a prescription written for me that i didn't think my insurance company should pay for.

You are one complex dude Ma Ha Rushdoove.




I have said this to many people that this nation is a center right thinking country where self reliance and worth are looked upon as great traits in a person, reminding them of how this country was founded. Not the handouts people look for first before they provide for themselves. I said before you help the needy not the helpless. A friend sent this to me years ago and I never forgot it. It may offend some but this country is in a path of destruction and I find this so ironic.


The food stamp program is pleased to be distributing the greatest amount of food stamps ever.
Meanwhile, the Park Service asks us to "please do not feed the animals" because the animals may grow dependent and not learn to take care of themselves.


We should go out for a beer sometime. Your treat...


Ma Ha Rushdoove

[taggert]

The food stamp program is pleased to be distributing the greatest amount of food stamps ever.
Meanwhile, the Park Service asks us to "please do not feed the animals" because the animals may grow dependent and not learn to take care of themselves.


My hats' off to you Montana. Perhaps the best analogy as to the state of our society that I have read yet.

[JONBALLS]

not too late to jump in the race Montana

[montana1958]

Originally Posted by JONBALLS

not too late to jump in the race Montana

Yea right JB. And have Ma Ha Rushdoove get his hands on my special pictures of me with some of the great women we have all met? This hobby has taken me out of any public role for this guy.

[jackfengshui]

My disapproval of Rush notwithstanding, I strongly encourage the Republican candidates to keep up their good work of pandering to their "base" (whatever that means) - and thumbing their noses at women, independents, minorities, etc.

[JONBALLS]

Originally Posted by jackfengshui

My disapproval of Rush notwithstanding, I strongly encourage the Republican candidates to keep up their good work of pandering to their "base" (whatever that means) - and thumbing their noses at women, independents, minorities, etc.

thats your narrativeand the lefts talking points, talk about "bots", just keep repeating that over and over and over and maybe someone will believe it.LOL!

[JONBALLS]

Originally Posted by montana1958

Yea right JB. And have Ma Ha Rushdoove get his hands on my special pictures of me with some of the great women we have all met? This hobby has taken me out of any public role for this guy.

ha ha your a smooth operator, thinking you could splain just about anything

[jackfengshui]

Originally Posted by JONBALLS

thats your narrativeand the lefts talking points, talk about "bots", just keep repeating that over and over and over and maybe someone will believe it.LOL!

I too hope that nobody believes it. As I said, keep up the good work!

[Doove]

Originally Posted by montana1958

You really think that is what she was testifying about?????

Oh brother. I don't know what birth control costs, but let's say it's about $60/mo. Are you really so willfully ignorant that you'll make the argument that she testified to make an attempt at saving herself $60/mo? After all, as you've more than made clear, she goes to a $50,000/yr law school. So i hardly think she gives a rats ass about $60/mo.

I have said this to many people that this nation is a center right thinking country where self reliance and worth are looked upon as great traits in a person, reminding them of how this country was founded.

Well, if by "center-right country", you mean "60% think insurance companies should pay for birth control for women", then yeah, it's a center-right country.

Not the handouts people look for first before they provide for themselves.

Yes or no - do you think insurance is a "hand out"?

I said before you help the needy not the helpless. A friend sent this to me years ago and I never forgot it. It may offend some but this country is in a path of destruction and I find this so ironic.


The food stamp program is pleased to be distributing the greatest amount of food stamps ever.
Meanwhile, the Park Service asks us to "please do not feed the animals" because the animals may grow dependent and not learn to take care of themselves.

Spare me the comparison between people without a job and bears in the woods.

[offshoredrilling]

lets let this drift(I like nothing threads)

[Doove]

Originally Posted by Doove

Yes or no - do you think insurance is a "hand out"?

Montana, perhaps you just haven't had time to respond, but i am interested in your answer to this question. When you go to pick up a prescription, and your insurance pays for it, do you consider that a hand out? As your argument seems to suggest.

[offshoredrilling]

no. as you should have to pay for it. or get a job to get it. health is not in the bill of rights.

"happiness" is not in the bills of rights also.

[montana1958]

Sorry I got busy at work Ma Ha Rushdoovie

Originally Posted by Doove

Oh brother. I don't know what birth control costs, but let's say it's about $60/mo. Are you really so willfully ignorant that you'll make the argument that she testified to make an attempt at saving herself $60/mo? After all, as you've more than made clear, she goes to a $50,000/yr law school. So i hardly think she gives a rats ass about $60/mo.

First thing we agree on Ma Ha. It’s all coming from the White House and to spin the discussion from what it should be about (Religious/personal freedom) and spin it to women’s medical health / costs and rights. As more and more comes out about miss Fluke and who she associates with it is apparent this has been a coordinated effort for Obama. And let me say if was a George Bush administration policy during his administration you would be right there with me against him because the facts are the facts.

Originally Posted by Doove

Well, if by "center-right country", you mean "60% think insurance companies should pay for birth control for women", then yeah, it's a center-right country.

I am assuming those figures are from a poll taken. One thing I distrust trust about polls is how the questions are asked but also why. There are polls every week asking Americans if they are happy with the Republican party candidates this year. This is designed to put in peoples mind that these candidates are weak and don’t know what they are doing and should not be running. Where is the poll asking Americans if given a choice between Obama and some other Democrat would they want someone else to run?

Originally Posted by Doove

Yes or no - do you think insurance is a "hand out"?

This is too complicated of an answer for me to explain but let me try this way. Years ago we had a $3 co-pay for any prescription we had. It didn’t matter what it was for. If it was medically prescribed we only paid $3. On the receipt we would see the cost was 100/300/400 dollars. Whatever it was. Then we changed our policy to $5 and then to $10 co-pay per prescription. Now we have a three tiered system where it get split between generic/ regular and what the insurance industry declares as experimental or not their first choice drug. Maybe someone else knows about the differences. All I see is higher premiums for less coverage. I don’t think it’s a hand out but choices being made to pay for affordable coverage. One thing I do know is the health Insurance industry is one of the most regulated industries out there. For all subscribers benefit. You know when you see a 17% raise with insurance premiums on the news and the reporters interview the public about the greedy insurance companies…………. The insurance companies have no say in what that rate increases to. Regulation requires a certain cash balance requirement for the company to maintain for our benefit. One regulation I applaud. This is an industry that needs stability which the regulations provide. So do I think Insurance is a hand out or in this case prescriptions for birth control. If the option is chosen for coverage than no. In a free market the people establish what is acceptable or not. When we had $3 co-pay we hired and people decided it was a great benefit to have. This has become an important decision on where people apply for work. Why are policies cost range from 300 to 3000? It’s what gets covered. There are actuarial tables that provide the cost / benefit ratios that the regulations use to determine premiums. When our President goes out there and makes his compromise that the insurance companies will have to pay for the cost of birth control, he knows the facts. He knows he’s lying. But he also knows the main media will not say he’s wrong and the word will not get out to the majority of people in this country. What most people believe now is Republicans hate women, want to stop availability of birth control pills and stop abortions.

Originally Posted by Doove

Spare me the comparison between people without a job and bears in the woods.

I really liked that one. Whether it’s bears or a mother with 6 kids with 6 different dads on welfare and looking for more children because of the monthly income they provide. Same thing. Unless it changes the inner city kids will never have a chance. Even when Newt raised the issue of hiring kids to work in the schools in maintenance or the library or wherever to give them an idea of what a good work ethic is all about. They are clueless because they are never exposed to it. When growing up my parents worked. It never crossed my mind to look for handouts or to be given basic necessities. A great disservice has been cast upon the neediest part of our society and until this changes for the better we will remain on this downward spiral. Stop feeding the bears Ma Ha Rushdoove That’s the ticket Laddie.