No AA - why not?

[Missy Mariposa]

If the hobby were legal, it is likely that a provider could be prosecuted for refusing service due to race.

I'm not sure that's true - if you've ever been to a brothel you know how this works. She would just simply see the AA client and hide in her room until someone else hustled him.

That being said - I don't see it as "government rape" if you have to provide service to everyone. If you don't want to sleep with any and everything that walks through the door, then the job wouldn't be for you in that scenario and you'd probably quit the day it went "legal" - as you'd have notice, and time to find another job. If not, you'd be making a choice to sleep with any and everything, and therefore no one would be raping anyone.

Does the word rape really have to be tossed around so carelessly, here of all places?

[KCQuestor]

Originally Posted by Jackie Devlin

Questor, brothels in Nevada can do anything they like ... However, there is absolutely no provision that any lady at in any brothel in Nevada is obligated to service anyone, and she may decline for ANY reason

Isn't that what I said?

[Guest121212]

Originally Posted by KCQuestor

Isn't that what I said?

Yes, pretty much . . . that's what I get for posting in the middle of the night . . . insomnia, sorry.

[bigryan222]

Originally Posted by dirty dog

"But, the guys do have the right to question why they are being refused service based what appears to be solely on their race."

They have the right to ask but there is no demand for the provider to answer the question. The fact of the matter is if the woman does not want to see you its her choice, if its descrimination so be it, there are ladies who wont see fat guys, there are ladies who wont see uncircumsized guys, there is all kinds of discrimination or choice or however you want to lable it, its just a fact of fucking life. Get over it and move the fuck on, jesus christ does this have to be discussed every 3 fucking months.

My issue is more the fact that some of the girls dont want the discussion. It is going to continue to come up until something changes one way or another.

Girls have every right to decline service to guys based on any means, but they open themselves to the criticism that comes with it and that includes semi regular posts asking about it.

And if you dont want to read the content of the discussions, it was very obvious in the title what the content was. So to only add to the discussion a little hissy fit saying to get over it didnt add anything.

[Guest121212]

Beat that dead horse all you want Ryan, they make a for a warm seat when you get tired . . .

[JRLawrence]

Originally Posted by MsElena

I said every business has the right to refuse service to anyone. I didn't say why they would refuse the service did I? No.

I was making a point of the ladies have a right to see who they wish, their bodies, their decisions. I didn't say it had to do with the no AA preference.

You said: "... Every business has the right to refuse service to anyone."

You are wrong, it is as simple as that! Every business does not have the right to refuse service. Not for race, or many other reasons.

But then, you are too young to remember the "food counter" incidents of the 60's. This is written into law, and many businesses have been prosecuted for refusing service. But then, I do not believe that you mean every business, did you? You meant your business; and the point I made is that you are an illegal business; so, when it comes prosecution: the first charge would be for prostitution and the DA would probably ignore the civil rights charges and the charges for practicing law without a license; which it sounds like when you give the statement "... Every business has the right to refuse service to anyone."

Just because you get away with an act, doesn't mean you have the right to act that way. You can do what you want, I don't care. Your statement is just incorrect; but then you are excused because we all know you don't think about what you are saying, just say anything at all and post it, you may get some guy's attention, some guy who doesn't care what you say because he isn't paying attention to what you say anyway.

JR

[Guest121212]

Actually JR, the question generally turns on whether the business's refusal of service of a protected class was arbitrary, or whether the business had a specific interest in refusing service. You are correct in stating that just because you CAN get away with something, that certainly doesn't make it right - but in reality, we all know it happens everyday.

[dirty dog]

Originally Posted by bigryan222

My issue is more the fact that some of the girls dont want the discussion. It is going to continue to come up until something changes one way or another.

Girls have every right to decline service to guys based on any means, but they open themselves to the criticism that comes with it and that includes semi regular posts asking about it.

And if you dont want to read the content of the discussions, it was very obvious in the title what the content was. So to only add to the discussion a little hissy fit saying to get over it didnt add anything.

Constantly asking the same question over again does not add anything either, nothing is going to change, this isnt the south in the 60's so were not breaking new ground in race relations. The simple fact of the matter is that the reasons they dont see brothers has been spelled out, its not going to change. Just because its not the answer you want does not mean you can change the answer by asking the question over and over again. Thousands of women will see black, asian, alien, 1 legged, fat, men. why focus on a small percentage that wont and try to change them?

[JRLawrence]

Originally Posted by Jackie Devlin

Actually JR, the question generally turns on whether the business's refusal of service of a protected class was arbitrary, or whether the business had a specific interest in refusing service. You are correct in stating that just because you CAN get away with something, that certainly doesn't make it right - but in reality, we all know it happens everyday.

The question turns on the words; "EVERY BUSINESS....." and the tendency of some to make wild general statements without the due process of thinking about what they are saying.

In the "good sector" of our society, people just turn up their nose and walk away. Does't this make you feel that you are just not acceptable to most people.

JR

[Guest121212]

As usual JR, you lost me - I don't understand the "Does't this make you feel that you are just not acceptable to most people. " comment . . .

I was assuming that it was any (every) business in my reply when I mentioned that it was the intent of the refusal that was really the factor in litigation (or ethically declining service) . . . maybe this is a subject better suited for another thread - maybe sometime in the sandbox, especially, as it really is going off topic here in this thread.

Kisses,

- Jackie

[Johnny4455]

This is riveting. Please give me more

[MsElena]

Originally Posted by bigryan222

My issue is more the fact that some of the girls dont want the discussion. It is going to continue to come up until something changes one way or another.

Girls have every right to decline service to guys based on any means, but they open themselves to the criticism that comes with it and that includes semi regular posts asking about it.

And if you dont want to read the content of the discussions, it was very obvious in the title what the content was. So to only add to the discussion a little hissy fit saying to get over it didnt add anything.

Until something changes one way or another? LOL Are you really expecting these types of posts to change the ladies minds? You're not helping your cause.

Let me build you a brick wall. You'll get better results with that wall.

[bigryan222]

Originally Posted by MsElena

Until something changes one way or another? LOL Are you really expecting these types of posts to change the ladies minds? You're not helping your cause.

Let me build you a brick wall. You'll get better results with that wall.

No Im not expecting this thread to change anything, but you wishing threads would go away because you dont think girls as a whole have to explain why they do in fact discriminate certainly doesnt help either.

So go ahead and build your little wall and try to hide behind how the world actually works. Yes you can choose what you want to do and what you dont want to do. But, you open yourself up the criticism when doing so.

[Agreen7]

The answer to your question Equation, the demand of this hobby is driven by white males. If you examine the ratio of white men to black men in this activity, you will discover that AA make up a minuscule percentage if clients. Add to the fact that black men are perceived in a very negative light by society as a whole, a lot of providers are afraid to see them. Think about it, if it doesn't affect their pocket books (or their pimps money), why risk seeing someone that your fearful of.

The other reason, is that for some ladies, their representation determine who they will or will not see. Also, you have to respect individual preferences. If a girl does not want to see a client because of race, cool, just move on.

The fact of the matter is that there are not enough AA clients in this hobby to really push demand, so the "why" doesn't really matter.

[JRLawrence]

Originally Posted by johnny4455

This is riveting. Please give me more

OK here it is.

The discussion has split, and some don't seem to be able to think in two directions at once.

1. Race relations are important, and the proper treatment of race is demanded by the Feds.

2. The girls can agree, or disagree with the Feds., it doesn't matter what they think about it. Because they are a small group and an illegal business: they will be able to do what they want.

3. However, justifying the action by making the parallel comparison to every other business is just wrong. Do what you want, but the argument is nonsense. When the nonsense was, once again initiated by the uninformed, the nerd in me just had to say "stop the stupid statements". In public most of the people will just turn away and ignore the ignorant, but in the impersonal blog site, we can all hide behind the net and either be stupid, or have someone call attention to others that you are stupid. Stupid people are not attractive, so let the women understand that the only type of guy they can attract by acting stupid is a stupid guy.

4. All of the things about the size of the business (small, 15 people, type of endevor, etc.) doesn't relate to the discussion: if, a company has any business with the Feds., and through the states for related type contracts.

For example, if you are one person with leased secretarial services; and you have a contract with most governmental agencies (all that I know of) you still have to have the same paperwork as the big companies concerning equal rights, civil rights, etc.

Been there; done that!

Smart women are attractive. Stupid women are not worth the time.

JR