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cowboy8055 · 10-01-2012, 06:52 AM

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Originally Posted by drluv1

If the media was as liberal as you think it is we should be seeing editorials about the legalization of a certain mildly psychoactive prohibited topic substance inundating the newspapers and airwaves. As a socially very liberal but fiscally very conservative person, I find the media benignly inept. More interested in selling soap, than advancing the political debate on issues.

I was referring to the election coverage being favorable towards Obama by most news media. Being fiscally conservative you can't be too happy with Obama. I agree the media can be quite inept at times.

cowboy8055 · 10-01-2012, 06:54 AM

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Originally Posted by drluv1

Maybe they are behind Obama because the other guy is an Idiot.

Perhaps but Obama is one of the worst presidents we've had in recent memory.

JONBALLS · 10-01-2012, 06:57 AM

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Originally Posted by drluv1

I'm not for weakening the nation's defense, I'm for spending less money more wisely. If the economy crumbles we will have Reagan, Bush and Bush to thank for it, 10 trillion in debt and an economy on the brink of collapse, that's what your tax cuts and deficit spending get you.

Im sure your all for spending OTHER peoples money

cowboy8055 · 10-01-2012, 07:02 AM

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Originally Posted by DDarkness

Say it like you mean it! Stick to your guns! Be honest about what you are planning to do and DO IT!

Don't think that politician exists, republican or democrat. I don't trust either party.

cowboy8055 · 10-01-2012, 07:26 AM

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Originally Posted by drluv1

We spend over $600 billion a year on welfare? I don't think you know what you are talking about.
Could you be more specific the about the changes we made. Iraq and afghanistan are a mess.just as the experts predicted 10 years ago
You think the military makes me sleep better at night. 2 friendly neighbors and 2 oceans have more to do with my sleep than anything the military does. Moreover you assume that the we couldn't spend our defense dollars in a more wise way.

The biggest tax burdens come from social security, medicare and medicaid. And it's about to get worse when all the baby boomers start retiring. Neither party has a plan for that and I don't think they really care. You could cut defense spending in half and it wouldn't help a whole lot. I don't have a problem with cutting back on defense spending but what makes you think that money will be spent more wisely somewhere else. Smart spending and government don't usually go hand in hand. This country is in a fiscal nightmare and both parties have a hand in it.

Gotyour6 · 10-01-2012, 08:05 AM

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Originally Posted by drluv1

We spend over $600 billion a year on welfare? I don't think you know what you are talking about.
Could you be more specific the about the changes we made. Iraq and afghanistan are a mess.just as the experts predicted 10 years ago
You think the military makes me sleep better at night. 2 friendly neighbors and 2 oceans have more to do with my sleep than anything the military does. Moreover you assume that the we couldn't spend our defense dollars in a more wise way.

You need to add all of the welfare.

Everything we give to those poor people that dont work.
The poor farmers that cant make it on what they grow, The Unions we support blah blah blah

As far as what makes you sleep at night someone out there is protecting you. You just dont know it.
Of course I am speaking to a wall as always.

Dont worry though, no matter how you feel, I got your six.

As far as the mess over there now, go speak with the people and then get back to me.
Until then, stop bitching about what you see on CNN.

drluv1 · 10-01-2012, 08:37 AM

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Originally Posted by cowboy8055

The biggest tax burdens come from social security, medicare and medicaid. And it's about to get worse when all the baby boomers start retiring. Neither party has a plan for that and I don't think they really care. You could cut defense spending in half and it wouldn't help a whole lot. I don't have a problem with cutting back on defense spending but what makes you think that money will be spent more wisely somewhere else. Smart spending and government don't usually go hand in hand. This country is in a fiscal nightmare and both parties have a hand in it.

Social security and medicare are not welfare. There a specific deductions from your paycheck for those, therefore they can be made solvent through benefit cuts and/or tax increases. No politician wants to be the one who increases the retirement age or slash medicare. So those problems will most likely linger until they become too big to ignore anymore.
Smart spending doesn't happen because we don't DEMAND it as voters. We don't give 3rd party candidates enough attention and are left with the choice, as Ralph Nader would say, between Coke and Pepsi. We let lobbyists run Washington. One of the biggest things a citizen can do is pay attention to local elections, go to your local counsel meetings or school board meetings and challenge them on their spending and policies, yet very few do attend.

Guest070916 · 10-01-2012, 08:42 AM

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Originally Posted by cowboy8055

Perhaps but Obama is one of the worst presidents we've had in recent memory.

Bush (and his tutor Cheney) was the worst president in all of US history. These 2 are the reason the US is in the sorry shape we are in. Republicans said from Day 1 they were out to make Obama a one term president and have worked since day 1 to obstruct everything Obama tried to do to fix the disaster they handed him! Now the GOP says it's time to replace Obama because he hasn't fixed the mess we handed him!

drluv1 · 10-01-2012, 08:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Gotyour6

You need to add all of the welfare.

Everything we give to those poor people that dont work.
The poor farmers that cant make it on what they grow, The Unions we support blah blah blah

As far as what makes you sleep at night someone out there is protecting you. You just dont know it.
Of course I am speaking to a wall as always.

Dont worry though, no matter how you feel, I got your six.

As far as the mess over there now, go speak with the people and then get back to me.
Until then, stop bitching about what you see on CNN.

WOW, you have quite a LIBERAL view of welfare. Still haven't given me a number. You did forget about all the tax breaks given to businesses,price supports to farmers and guaranteed profit margins to defense contractors.
I have a much greater chance of being harmed by an"urban terrorist"(robber) than I do from an taliban terrorist.I'd sleep a lot better at night,if we legalized prohibited substances and got rid of the violent crime it produces and let the police spent there time dealing with other matters.So next time I go out in Buffalo, I'll call you and you can "get my six", whatever that means,and you can protect me.

drluv1 · 10-01-2012, 09:08 AM

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Originally Posted by JONBALLS

Im sure your all for spending OTHER peoples money

No, I've been railing against the debt/deficit since the time of reagan. Imagine how much less our problems would be if Bush hadn't blown up the budget and left an absolute mess of the country. Taking $250 billion surpluses and turning them into trillion dollar deficits. ( the last Bush Budget, ending sept. 2009, had a deficit of 1.2 trillion).

JONBALLS · 10-01-2012, 09:25 AM

railing? sooo, you talk about it?

JONBALLS · 10-01-2012, 11:33 AM

I just dont want to be the person thats in charge of figuring "fair"

anyone that became rich I would like to pick their brains, work for them to find out how they did it and try and apply that to myself

well, kinda did

I just cant comprehend the envy, sorry

I can keep up buying hookers with the best of you elite and educated here and Im very uneducated , so if I can do it and string togethor this lifestyle, anyone can,,,living proof

I wouldnt want anyones phone
you giving them one is taking advantage of their situation to gain on them is all in reality thats just my opinion, watched it play out in real life is all

Gotyour6 · 10-01-2012, 12:18 PM

Your post in entertaining.
Numbers you can look up. I am sure you have time.

Oh, protecting against terrorist is a bit more than about you but I know your kind and mindset.

Police are report takers for after the crime, thats all.

I dont care for the war on drugs either nor do i agree with it.

People on welfare should get a job.
Farmers that need help should get out of farming

I am sure you sleep just fine.

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Originally Posted by drluv1

WOW, you have quite a LIBERAL view of welfare. Still haven't given me a number. You did forget about all the tax breaks given to businesses,price supports to farmers and guaranteed profit margins to defense contractors.
I have a much greater chance of being harmed by an"urban terrorist"(robber) than I do from an taliban terrorist.I'd sleep a lot better at night,if we legalized prohibited substances and got rid of the violent crime it produces and let the police spent there time dealing with other matters.So next time I go out in Buffalo, I'll call you and you can "get my six", whatever that means,and you can protect me.

Gotyour6 · 10-01-2012, 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by drluv1

No, I've been railing against the debt/deficit since the time of reagan. Imagine how much less our problems would be if Bush hadn't blown up the budget and left an absolute mess of the country. Taking $250 billion surpluses and turning them into trillion dollar deficits. ( the last Bush Budget, ending sept. 2009, had a deficit of 1.2 trillion).

Argue something without blaming someone else

Give it a shot, I dare you

Blah blah blah Bush, Blah blah blah Bush.

You cant do it.

JONBALLS · 10-01-2012, 12:58 PM

the war could have easily been paid for in oil but the libs would have their heads pop off.

they already were spouting off about war for oil blah, blah , blah.................we didnt take shit , built up their country and they gave the new oil contracts to china..

the whole worlds upside down, but thats predicted anyways