Poll Says That A Majority Of Millenials Believe Dropping A-Bombs Was Wrong

[Munchmasterman]

Originally Posted by DSK

Yes, the liberals never admit their plans fail for any reason other than not enough money was spent. Of course, in one area I believe it is true. Most of them have very ugly wives, and those liberal bitches don't spend much money at the hair salon.

All of those are very good points if you.........
I don't even know what to say to someone like you.
Either you believe all that bullshit and are sitting in your parent's basement wondering which of the 12 teeth you have left will fall out or you are playing with the wrong kids and don't have the balls to call out your friends when they get stupid on you and on our country.

Thanks for helping the national dialog.

[IIFFOFRDB]

The Japs got what they deserved... Now let's celebrate the great Americans who died for this great country! Happy Memorial Day everyone!





This one hurts bad... I watch it once a year to keep my head right...



Watch the full Movie... it's one of my top 10. It's the start of the ARMY RANGERS!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NM3r-ZgKtpU

[The_Waco_Kid]

Originally Posted by Munchmasterman

All of those are very good points if you.........
I don't even know what to say to someone like you.
Either you believe all that bullshit and are sitting in your parent's basement wondering which of the 12 teeth you have left will fall out or you are playing with the wrong kids and don't have the balls to call out your friends when they get stupid on you and on our country.

Thanks for helping the national dialog.

i took you off ignore to see what you had to say. so i am assuming you do not approve of the US decision, for mostly geopolitical reasons, and some purely military reasons, to use the atomic weapons?

you realize, that had we not used atomic weapons to bring the war to an end, not only would we have had to invade Japan, at great cost, but that the USSR would have gained control of all of China? We had been urging the USSR to start an invasion of Japanese held territory, mainly their holdings in China. Japan itself was out of reach of the USSR, because they had no Navy to speak of. but they easily could have moved into China, and as they did in Europe, kept it.

while it was tactically correct to have the USSR attack Japan, it would have been a geopolitical mistake to allow them to occupy China. they would have kept it.

of course, Stalin was reluctant to commit, mainly because of his blood-lust to destroy Germany, and Hitler. both of them knew one or the other would betray their non-aggression pact. that it was Hitler matters not. that was an agreement neither party meant to uphold. it was only meant to buy Germany time to prepare to invade the USSR.

ironically, Germany invited the USSR's brutal response to operation Barbarossa. the majority of Russians hated Stalin due to his repressive and brutal suppression, sending millions to their deaths in gulags. had Germany not invoked a philosophy of "scored earth", many Russians would likely have sided with Germany against Stalin. once it was clear Hitler would kill them all anyway, what choice did they have but to fight to the bitter end for "Mother Russia" if not for Stalin himself? none.

many people claim the US committed "war crimes" by bombing civilian targets. one of the reasons to bomb Hiroshima and Nagasaki was purely scientific. of course they had no significant Military value, except some small naval presence that is. if they had, we'd already have bombed them.

we wanted to know the atomic bomb's true power of devastation. a pure, previously untouched target was required to know that. that was the desire of both the military and those sanctimonious scientists who of course later decried the use of the very weapon they developed.

Did the USSR commit war crimes in their vengeance while invading Germany. Yes. did Japan in their treatment of prisoners of war? Yes. (Bataan death march, use of both asain and non-asain women as forced whores for the Japanese Army) did Germany? Absolutely. they attempted to exterminate an entire ethnic race, the Jews. possibly the single most egregious act in human history and given the long history of killing each other, that's saying something. how ironic that we certainly know today that Hitler himself had Jewish blood? so much for being the leader of a pure Aryan race eh? he would have been the first one they should have exterminated. ironic isn't it?

but Hitler knew this perfectly well and in part annexed Austria to suppress the truth of his blood line.

did Britain commit war crimes? you could say so, given that Churchill had to decide at times not to act on intelligence obtained from the fact they had broken the German enigma code, and thus allowing British soldiers to die.

Did Italy? given Mussolini's brutal reign and suppression of dissent of his own people, you could say so.

did the French? absolutely! why do people say "The French are the whores of the world?" .. ahahaha. because the Vichy French crawled in bed with the Nazis thinking it would somehow save them, by sacrificing some of their own.

so .. did each major player both axis and allied commit "war crimes" in order to win? yes, you could say that.

but someone had to win, and we did. and we did whatever was required to do so. if that's a war crime then all major nations involved in WWII are guilty of it and unless all of us mutually apologize, none of us should.

[IIFFOFRDB]

Originally Posted by The_Waco_Kid

i took you off ignore to see what you had to say. so i am assuming you do not approve of the US decision, for mostly geopolitical reasons, and some purely military reasons, to use the atomic weapons?

you realize, that had we not used atomic weapons to bring the war to an end, not only would we have had to invade Japan, at great cost, but that the USSR would have gained control of all of China? We had been urging the USSR to start an invasion of Japanese held territory, mainly their holdings in China. Japan itself was out of reach of the USSR, because they had no Navy to speak of. but they easily could have moved into China, and as they did in Europe, kept it.

while it was tactically correct to have the USSR attack Japan, it would have been a geopolitical mistake to allow them to occupy China. they would have kept it.

of course, Stalin was reluctant to commit, mainly because of his blood-lust to destroy Germany, and Hitler. both of them knew one or the other would betray their non-aggression pact. that it was Hitler matters not. that was an agreement neither party meant to uphold. it was only meant to buy Germany time to prepare to invade the USSR.

ironically, Germany invited the USSR's brutal response to operation Barbarossa. the majority of Russians hated Stalin due to his repressive and brutal suppression, sending millions to their deaths in gulags. had Germany not invoked a philosophy of "scored earth", many Russians would likely have sided with Germany against Stalin. once it was clear Hitler would kill them all anyway, what choice did they have but to fight to the bitter end for "Mother Russia" if not for Stalin himself? none.

many people claim the US committed "war crimes" by bombing civilian targets. one of the reasons to bomb Hiroshima and Nagasaki was purely scientific. of course they had no significant Military value, except some small naval presence that is. if they had, we'd already have bombed them.

we wanted to know the atomic bomb's true power of devastation. a pure, previously untouched target was required to know that. that was the desire of both the military and those sanctimonious scientists who of course later decried the use of the very weapon they developed.

Did the USSR commit war crimes in their vengeance while invading Germany. Yes. did Japan in their treatment of prisoners of war? Yes. (Bataan death march, use of both asain and non-asain women as forced whores for the Japanese Army) did Germany? Absolutely. they attempted to exterminate an entire ethnic race, the Jews. possibly the single most egregious act in human history and given the long history of killing each other, that's saying something. how ironic that we certainly know today that Hitler himself had Jewish blood? so much for being the leader of a pure Aryan race eh? he would have been the first one they should have exterminated. ironic isn't it?

but Hitler knew this perfectly well and in part annexed Austria to suppress the truth of his blood line.

did Britain commit war crimes? you could say so, given that Churchill had to decide at times not to act on intelligence obtained from the fact they had broken the German enigma code, and thus allowing British soldiers to die.

Did Italy? given Mussolini's brutal reign and suppression of dissent of his own people, you could say so.

did the French? absolutely! why do people say "The French are the whores of the world?" .. ahahaha. because the Vichy French crawled in bed with the Nazis thinking it would somehow save them, by sacrificing some of their own.

so .. did each major player both axis and allied commit "war crimes" in order to win? yes, you could say that.

but someone had to win, and we did. and we did whatever was required to do so. if that's a war crime then all major nations involved in WWII are guilty of it and unless all of us mutually apologize, none of us should.

It' a Damn shame, you have to explain that to a Grown Man that Served...

[DSK]

Originally Posted by Rey Lengua

Like Rosie O'Donnell, Rachel Madcow, shrillary, Debbie Wasserman-IKnowNossing-Shultz, all of the dumbascrap female Senators in the U.S. Senate and the majority of their brain dead sheep, gruberized followers !

That is true, those gals are so ugly and shunned by men they end up hating men and becoming liberals who try to destroy real men, aided and abetted by the faggot boys who are liberals.

[DSK]

Originally Posted by kehaar

There was nothing in this post to contribute to the asinine belief that dropping the atom bomb on Japan was a bad decision.

I am from Kansas, and am utterly embarrassed that you claim to be from here. Seriously, learn how to read and think for yourself. Linking to useless articles just wastes other's time.

In other words, stop being a parasite, and start contributing to society.

It must suck to have IvaBiggen (aka Ekim008) living in your state. Hopefully you do not live in the southeast corner of the state and ever have to smell him - I hear he reeks of dogshit.

He is so fucking dumb he repeatedly posts that yapping dogs do not bite, even though they do!!

[DSK]

Originally Posted by Munchmasterman

All of those are very good points if you.........
I don't even know what to say to someone like you.
Either you believe all that bullshit and are sitting in your parent's basement wondering which of the 12 teeth you have left will fall out or you are playing with the wrong kids and don't have the balls to call out your friends when they get stupid on you and on our country.

Thanks for helping the national dialog.

The social cohesion in this country is so frayed that when I call out my friends, I try to do so politely and intelligently.

I do believe what I say on here, including that we actually have some pretty good conservative posters. If you could get over your rage that people don't agree with much of what you have to say and how you say it, you might learn something from them.

My house does in fact have a basement, fully finished out and approximately 1500 square feet. My mother's house is in a different city, and she doesn't actually have a basement, but a walk out bottom floor overlooking a local lake. Both are completely paid for without a mortgage. I picked out and purchased the guns she keeps down there, and taught her how to shoot for the time when the rest of the country resembles Chicago, Detroit, East St. Louis, and all the other liberal disasters out there.

[Yssup Rider]

This is JL's idea of a good conservative post.



And his idea of what a "good" ECCIE political forum would look like.

Fascist motherfucker.

[Jackie S]

Originally Posted by The_Waco_Kid

i took you off ignore to see what you had to say. so i am assuming you do not approve of the US decision, for mostly geopolitical reasons, and some purely military reasons, to use the atomic weapons?

you realize, that had we not used atomic weapons to bring the war to an end, not only would we have had to invade Japan, at great cost, but that the USSR would have gained control of all of China? We had been urging the USSR to start an invasion of Japanese held territory, mainly their holdings in China. Japan itself was out of reach of the USSR, because they had no Navy to speak of. but they easily could have moved into China, and as they did in Europe, kept it.

while it was tactically correct to have the USSR attack Japan, it would have been a geopolitical mistake to allow them to occupy China. they would have kept it.

of course, Stalin was reluctant to commit, mainly because of his blood-lust to destroy Germany, and Hitler. both of them knew one or the other would betray their non-aggression pact. that it was Hitler matters not. that was an agreement neither party meant to uphold. it was only meant to buy Germany time to prepare to invade the USSR.

ironically, Germany invited the USSR's brutal response to operation Barbarossa. the majority of Russians hated Stalin due to his repressive and brutal suppression, sending millions to their deaths in gulags. had Germany not invoked a philosophy of "scored earth", many Russians would likely have sided with Germany against Stalin. once it was clear Hitler would kill them all anyway, what choice did they have but to fight to the bitter end for "Mother Russia" if not for Stalin himself? none.

many people claim the US committed "war crimes" by bombing civilian targets. one of the reasons to bomb Hiroshima and Nagasaki was purely scientific. of course they had no significant Military value, except some small naval presence that is. if they had, we'd already have bombed them.

we wanted to know the atomic bomb's true power of devastation. a pure, previously untouched target was required to know that. that was the desire of both the military and those sanctimonious scientists who of course later decried the use of the very weapon they developed.

Did the USSR commit war crimes in their vengeance while invading Germany. Yes. did Japan in their treatment of prisoners of war? Yes. (Bataan death march, use of both asain and non-asain women as forced whores for the Japanese Army) did Germany? Absolutely. they attempted to exterminate an entire ethnic race, the Jews. possibly the single most egregious act in human history and given the long history of killing each other, that's saying something. how ironic that we certainly know today that Hitler himself had Jewish blood? so much for being the leader of a pure Aryan race eh? he would have been the first one they should have exterminated. ironic isn't it?

but Hitler knew this perfectly well and in part annexed Austria to suppress the truth of his blood line.

did Britain commit war crimes? you could say so, given that Churchill had to decide at times not to act on intelligence obtained from the fact they had broken the German enigma code, and thus allowing British soldiers to die.

Did Italy? given Mussolini's brutal reign and suppression of dissent of his own people, you could say so.

did the French? absolutely! why do people say "The French are the whores of the world?" .. ahahaha. because the Vichy French crawled in bed with the Nazis thinking it would somehow save them, by sacrificing some of their own.

so .. did each major player both axis and allied commit "war crimes" in order to win? yes, you could say that.

but someone had to win, and we did. and we did whatever was required to do so. if that's a war crime then all major nations involved in WWII are guilty of it and unless all of us mutually apologize, none of us should.

Good post.

One other note. In "total war", there are no soldiers and civilians.

As Curtis Lemay was to have said, (to paraphrase), "it is just as affective to kill the person who makes the Rifle as it is to kill the Soldier who shoots it".

[LexusLover]

Originally Posted by Jackie S

Good post.

One other note. In "total war", there are no soldiers and civilians.

As Curtis Lemay was to have said, (to paraphrase), "it is just as affective to kill the person who makes the Rifle as it is to kill the Soldier who shoots it".

But more "effective" to merely wound both of them.

[DSK]

Originally Posted by Yssup Rider

This is JL's idea of a good conservative post.



And his idea of what a "good" ECCIE political forum would look like.

Fascist motherfucker.

This JL you speak about sounds like a good poster, also.

[Ex-CEO]

Originally Posted by The_Waco_Kid

i took you off ignore to see what you had to say. so i am assuming you do not approve of the US decision, for mostly geopolitical reasons, and some purely military reasons, to use the atomic weapons?

you realize, that had we not used atomic weapons to bring the war to an end, not only would we have had to invade Japan, at great cost, but that the USSR would have gained control of all of China? We had been urging the USSR to start an invasion of Japanese held territory, mainly their holdings in China. Japan itself was out of reach of the USSR, because they had no Navy to speak of. but they easily could have moved into China, and as they did in Europe, kept it.

while it was tactically correct to have the USSR attack Japan, it would have been a geopolitical mistake to allow them to occupy China. they would have kept it.

of course, Stalin was reluctant to commit, mainly because of his blood-lust to destroy Germany, and Hitler. both of them knew one or the other would betray their non-aggression pact. that it was Hitler matters not. that was an agreement neither party meant to uphold. it was only meant to buy Germany time to prepare to invade the USSR.

ironically, Germany invited the USSR's brutal response to operation Barbarossa. the majority of Russians hated Stalin due to his repressive and brutal suppression, sending millions to their deaths in gulags. had Germany not invoked a philosophy of "scored earth", many Russians would likely have sided with Germany against Stalin. once it was clear Hitler would kill them all anyway, what choice did they have but to fight to the bitter end for "Mother Russia" if not for Stalin himself? none.

many people claim the US committed "war crimes" by bombing civilian targets. one of the reasons to bomb Hiroshima and Nagasaki was purely scientific. of course they had no significant Military value, except some small naval presence that is. if they had, we'd already have bombed them.

we wanted to know the atomic bomb's true power of devastation. a pure, previously untouched target was required to know that. that was the desire of both the military and those sanctimonious scientists who of course later decried the use of the very weapon they developed.

Did the USSR commit war crimes in their vengeance while invading Germany. Yes. did Japan in their treatment of prisoners of war? Yes. (Bataan death march, use of both asain and non-asain women as forced whores for the Japanese Army) did Germany? Absolutely. they attempted to exterminate an entire ethnic race, the Jews. possibly the single most egregious act in human history and given the long history of killing each other, that's saying something. how ironic that we certainly know today that Hitler himself had Jewish blood? so much for being the leader of a pure Aryan race eh? he would have been the first one they should have exterminated. ironic isn't it?

but Hitler knew this perfectly well and in part annexed Austria to suppress the truth of his blood line.

did Britain commit war crimes? you could say so, given that Churchill had to decide at times not to act on intelligence obtained from the fact they had broken the German enigma code, and thus allowing British soldiers to die.

Did Italy? given Mussolini's brutal reign and suppression of dissent of his own people, you could say so.

did the French? absolutely! why do people say "The French are the whores of the world?" .. ahahaha. because the Vichy French crawled in bed with the Nazis thinking it would somehow save them, by sacrificing some of their own.

so .. did each major player both axis and allied commit "war crimes" in order to win? yes, you could say that.

but someone had to win, and we did. and we did whatever was required to do so. if that's a war crime then all major nations involved in WWII are guilty of it and unless all of us mutually apologize, none of us should.

+1, very good!

Since our educational system started going to hell long ago, it's nice to see that at least some people learned history.

[Munchmasterman]

Originally Posted by The_Waco_Kid

i took you off ignore to see what you had to say. so i am assuming you do not approve of the US decision, for mostly geopolitical reasons, and some purely military reasons, to use the atomic weapons?

you realize, that had we not used atomic weapons to bring the war to an end, not only would we have had to invade Japan, at great cost, but that the USSR would have gained control of all of China? We had been urging the USSR to start an invasion of Japanese held territory, mainly their holdings in China. Japan itself was out of reach of the USSR, because they had no Navy to speak of. but they easily could have moved into China, and as they did in Europe, kept it.

while it was tactically correct to have the USSR attack Japan, it would have been a geopolitical mistake to allow them to occupy China. they would have kept it.

of course, Stalin was reluctant to commit, mainly because of his blood-lust to destroy Germany, and Hitler. both of them knew one or the other would betray their non-aggression pact. that it was Hitler matters not. that was an agreement neither party meant to uphold. it was only meant to buy Germany time to prepare to invade the USSR.

ironically, Germany invited the USSR's brutal response to operation Barbarossa. the majority of Russians hated Stalin due to his repressive and brutal suppression, sending millions to their deaths in gulags. had Germany not invoked a philosophy of "scored earth", many Russians would likely have sided with Germany against Stalin. once it was clear Hitler would kill them all anyway, what choice did they have but to fight to the bitter end for "Mother Russia" if not for Stalin himself? none.

many people claim the US committed "war crimes" by bombing civilian targets. one of the reasons to bomb Hiroshima and Nagasaki was purely scientific. of course they had no significant Military value, except some small naval presence that is. if they had, we'd already have bombed them.

we wanted to know the atomic bomb's true power of devastation. a pure, previously untouched target was required to know that. that was the desire of both the military and those sanctimonious scientists who of course later decried the use of the very weapon they developed.

Did the USSR commit war crimes in their vengeance while invading Germany. Yes. did Japan in their treatment of prisoners of war? Yes. (Bataan death march, use of both asain and non-asain women as forced whores for the Japanese Army) did Germany? Absolutely. they attempted to exterminate an entire ethnic race, the Jews. possibly the single most egregious act in human history and given the long history of killing each other, that's saying something. how ironic that we certainly know today that Hitler himself had Jewish blood? so much for being the leader of a pure Aryan race eh? he would have been the first one they should have exterminated. ironic isn't it?

but Hitler knew this perfectly well and in part annexed Austria to suppress the truth of his blood line.

did Britain commit war crimes? you could say so, given that Churchill had to decide at times not to act on intelligence obtained from the fact they had broken the German enigma code, and thus allowing British soldiers to die.

Did Italy? given Mussolini's brutal reign and suppression of dissent of his own people, you could say so.

did the French? absolutely! why do people say "The French are the whores of the world?" .. ahahaha. because the Vichy French crawled in bed with the Nazis thinking it would somehow save them, by sacrificing some of their own.

so .. did each major player both axis and allied commit "war crimes" in order to win? yes, you could say that.

but someone had to win, and we did. and we did whatever was required to do so. if that's a war crime then all major nations involved in WWII are guilty of it and unless all of us mutually apologize, none of us should.

Instead of assuming, maybe you should just ask.

Since my father was in the 82nd Airborne, I have no problem whatsoever with the use of nuclear weapons. In the event of an invasion of Japan, he would have been in the thick of things. He went to Germany in Jan. of 1945. After VE day, they were told they would be doing the same thing in Japan as they did in Normandy. Almost certainly a safer jump, once on the ground it would be one huge Iwo Jima.

War crimes always include intent. None of the side effects of detonation, other than the destructive force were anticipated. Knowing there would be massive numbers of radiation casualties and then actually seeing what those words mean would have been a brutal shock.
Nowhere near the shock of 500,000 American body bags.

[Munchmasterman]

Originally Posted by DSK

The State of Texas (G-d willing, maybe The Republic of Texas again someday) spends more per student than Japan, England, Ireland, Sweden, Germany, Belgium and many others.

Perhaps the students should pay attention in class, respect the authorities in charge, do their homework, and quit listening to liberals who tell them not enough money is spent on education and that is their problem, in addition to racism.

Plenty of money is spent on education. Not near enough money is spent on shaming liberals for the policies that have destroyed the "United" States.

Texas spends in the lowest 5th of the US per student and teachers salaries. The students are somewhat lazy. Like their parents. When parents claim to know things for a fact and are too lazy to check, even once, kids pick up on that.
Relying on stereotypical and anecdotal "facts" is a trait passed on to children. Racism being one of the main ones.
Your premise that liberal are causing these problems is easily debunked but you will continue to claim otherwise regardless of fact or common sense.
Anyone should know there are few problems that are black and white' In Texas, the board of education controls almost all aspects of our educational system. Sadly, they are directly involved in textbook content. They force rewordings and redefinitions that are ludicrous. They insist creationism and evolution receive the same study time. They decide on standards, content, methodology, etc. Budgets, class time, you name it.
The board has been controlled by conservatives for many years. Their antics are well documented.
The idea you would suggest spending a single cent "shaming" someone for no other reason than they disagree with you. You bitch about someone who wants to spend more money on a real problem and you want to spend money on your personal agenda.
Just another guy that opinion and fact are so tangled up and has no idea where one starts and the other ends.

Originally Posted by DSK

The social cohesion in this country is so frayed that when I call out my friends, I try to do so politely and intelligently.
As I do. I seldom hurl the first insult, even against those I know will be slinging shit in a few minutes.

I do believe what I say on here, including that we actually have some pretty good conservative posters. If you could get over your rage that people don't agree with much of what you have to say and how you say it, you might learn something from them.
I learn something every time I come on here. If I see something that doesn't seem right, I check it out. Right, wrong, doesn't matter. I learned something.
Rage? Not hardly. Frustration that the same people say the same things that are provably false. They seldom provide links while ignoring links that back up statements. I don't care if someone doesn't agree with me on an opinion. As far as the way I say something, if a post is built on some factually incorrect statement, it doesn't bother me to nip it.
My house does in fact have a basement, fully finished out and approximately 1500 square feet. My mother's house is in a different city, and she doesn't actually have a basement, but a walk out bottom floor overlooking a local lake. Both are completely paid for without a mortgage. I picked out and purchased the guns she keeps down there, and taught her how to shoot for the time when the rest of the country resembles Chicago, Detroit, East St. Louis, and all the other liberal disasters out there.

You picked out and purchased guns for your mom's home defense? I would have had a gun shop pro talk with her and show her a bunch of different guns and find out what best suits her. Lots of shops have a range. Let her try it. But that's just me.
I guess it is easier to add liberal than it is to learn something. Because you're saying conservatives could fix everything. That's a good one. The party of "no". And the only thing they tried to do they didn't.
I don't see how you can be so confident in one group. Both of who have screwed the pooch.
Just remember, it's your opinion, nothing more.

[I B Hankering]

Originally Posted by Munchmasterman

Texas spends in the lowest 5th of the US per student and teachers salaries. The students are somewhat lazy. Like their parents. When parents claim to know things for a fact and are too lazy to check, even once, kids pick up on that.
Relying on stereotypical and anecdotal "facts" is a trait passed on to children. Racism being one of the main ones.
Your premise that liberal are causing these problems is easily debunked but you will continue to claim otherwise regardless of fact or common sense.
Anyone should know there are few problems that are black and white' In Texas, the board of education controls almost all aspects of our educational system. Sadly, they are directly involved in textbook content. They force rewordings and redefinitions that are ludicrous. They insist creationism and evolution receive the same study time. They decide on standards, content, methodology, etc. Budgets, class time, you name it.
The board has been controlled by conservatives for many years. Their antics are well documented.
The idea you would suggest spending a single cent "shaming" someone for no other reason than they disagree with you. You bitch about someone who wants to spend more money on a real problem and you want to spend money on your personal agenda.
Just another guy that opinion and fact are so tangled up and has no idea where one starts and the other ends.

If cost per pupil meant shit, masterdickmuncher, American schools would be significantly better than the Finnish schools they are always disparagingly compared to. Finland spends far less than their American counter parts, jackass. And the costs for teachers salaries reflects the job market and not necessarily the quality of the teachers employed. Starting salary for a New York teacher is about $10,000 more than for a Texas teacher, and has nothing to do with "quality", masterdickmuncher.