Hagglers - what is it they really want?

[Russ38]

Heh.....(fucking boggles the mind doesn't it?)

[Guest021817-2]

Start paddlin'

I will shave your legs next week...

[siberia]

I can't answer that civilasstard because you won't find a racist bone in my body.

The comment about - 'jew down' was
a copied quoted comment originated by another member, NOT ME. Go back to post #53 and read for your correction. A dumbass vs a bitch?
Duhhhh

[Russ38]

Originally Posted by CivilBarrister

I wonder which is worst: Negotiating or being a racist bitch.

js

Originally Posted by siberia

The comment about - 'jew down' was
a copied quoted comment originated by another member, NOT ME. Go back to post #53 and read for your correction. A dumbass vs a bitch?
Duhhhh

http://eccie.net/showpost.php?p=1056244769&postcount=53

[Guest021817-2]

Originally Posted by Russ38

http://eccie.net/showpost.php?p=1056244769&postcount=53

I thincks just a cheap bastard.. But who knows, only the shadow?

Knows fer sure...

[Stanfeld]

I wonder which is worst: Negotiating or being a racist bitch.

The worst sin in my family was to buy retail. ~ Woody Allen

[siberia]

^^ Thxs Russ.

[Russ38]

Originally Posted by lookn4boobies

I thincks just a cheap bastard.. But who knows, only the shadow?

Knows fer sure...

Jewy either way.....

[RandB fan]

Originally Posted by Fancyinheels

Alright, stupid logic and "hooker math" rarely add up, so I give you that one, citizen44, but I'd like to address some of the other things that you and 4karlos mentioned.

Reviews with varying rates could be due to specials, yes, but WHY providers are sometime willing to "bang for less" is totally immaterial. Maybe we do need the money, but might it also be because we are understanding and want to give you fellows a break once in a while? Maybe we want to gain attention for a new service that we may have begun offering? Maybe something totally different; I ran my latest special to bring an issue to the forefront, the Sweet Pea Memorial Pet Food Drive, and do some good while I was being bad. (Hey, we all need brownie points banked for Heaven.) Maybe, no DEFINITELY, it doesn't matter because it is OUR reason, not what anyone else thinks it should be, and it is as private as anything else in our lives aside from Hobby activities.

As for review rate variations due to grandfathered clients (or, as I like to call them, "grandfancied"), many business reward clients for loyalty, and ALL businesses increase their rates as the cost of living rises. (You could call it "cost of loving." ) Don't we providers have the same rights? That inconsistency might be remedied if the review form had a, "Have you seen this provider before?" line in it. (I don't know, but I don't think it does from what I can see publicly.)

None of this indicates that we providers expect or are willing to haggle, not does it excuse such behavior from gentleman who see "other providers doing it." The Online Dictionary defines "haggle" as to "dispute or bargain persistently, especially over the cost of something." The very definition (which is different from polite businesslike negotiation) includes negative words like "dispute" and "persistent." Haggling with providers is insulting to us, and YES, a major offense, 4karlos, because it is nearly always done with a complete lack of respect, like we are selling a frying pan at the flea market. I somehow doubt, 4karlos, that you negotiated a price break with your kids' tutor by using this bargaining tool: "Hey, baby, I only have $150, but don't you want to f*** this big dick?"

This is what we do for a living, and it is, at best, an unstable profession highly dependent upon fluctuations in the economy and other circumstances. The average gentleman has a job where he knows exactly how much money he will see in his paycheck, can take his paid leave time if he misses a few days, so he can budget accordingly. We have no idea what kind of income we will have from week to week, and no play, no pay when things like the flu or Mother Nature hang around.

Believe it or not, we ladies are not getting rich off this. Yes, it seems a lot, an hour averaging $200 or more, but with fiscal tightening and the continually expanding competition for a fellow's dwindling recreational dollars, most providers are still in the low-to-middle class income bracket, no better or worse than the gentlemen that they serve.Sure $100K working 22 hours a week is chump change. What is the average providers tax bracket? Why SHOULD they haggle when they offer a fair value? because it is the difference between failure and success! Which brings up another point; do fellows actually believe that they are getting the BEST performance out of a provider who they have haggled the price down with? I would think that looking at the glass as half full may help here. You ever see a company offer certain services just to get you acquainted with their company with the purpose being to take you away from their competition. Lets see lifetime rotation and wheel balancing come to my mind, frequent offenders membership was always popular with me. I had a gal that offered a free session in Dec if you saw here at least one time every month. She made $2420. that year and a "C" note tip in December. Remember, you often get the quality that you pay for. I'll take a hungry, go getter who understands that something is better than nothing over GPS anyday (nothing personal) I'm not talking price point, here, but how bad you pissed off some hard-working girl who needed that $20-$40 you talked her out of, and than includes booking an hour and then showing up and haggling her down to half an hour. She may be too professional to show it, but trust me, she is counting every minute of time until you leave. English please?

There is no reason for a fellow to EVER stray from the posted rate IYNHO?, unless a lady indicates that she may be bargaining for something, like auto repairs or a new dishwasher, and those requests are usually found in the ISO section. I always found those experiences rather lackluster as a provider who emphasizes their value underestimates mine. As for the guys who brag about bagging a lady for less and shroud it in demeaning terms, shame on you. You think that is something to be PROUD of? Really?
I agree there, I feel that any pricing agreement should be confidential. I talk about good deals found on the web but I do not gloat about reduced pricing for a provider but ask me about the set of 4 Goodyear RSA-2 tires I haggled for $200. and I'll tell you about my stellar haggling skills. (they sell for $158 at Sears!!!)
Back to the OP's original question of WHY gents haggle... Aside from those who really are just cheap or unwilling to be realistic about their budgets, there is the "power" thing, and that, in my experience, is why many of them do it. (Once again IYNHO) I have seen a number of Indian gentleman, btw, and many fellows of all ethnic backgrounds in blue collar occupations who you would think could not afford the Hobby, yet they were wonderful, and, again, in my experience, they were not the ones wanting to haggle a discount or who ran way overtime and didn't pay for the extra time. I guess I need to post this and you should read it http://www.quora.com/Why-do-the-same-Indians-who-happily-pay-Rs-450-for-a-Dominos-Pizza-haggle-with-vegetable-vendors-for-small-amount-of-money

It was the well-heeled business executive, because it gave him a kick to see if he could control me. Doesn't work well with an Irish lass, believe me.

YOU SEEM TO BE ON YOUR SOAP BOX AND AFTER BEING MARRIED TO A REDHEAD FOR 18 YEARS I know a little about redheaded mentality especially when they make a Dennis Miller rant look like a leisurely walk on a spring day. I feel that you need to go sit on a couch with a person with a notebook asking you questions. Your glass has a fucking hole in the bottom and it appears from what you are saying you really do think that you run a Domino's pizza or a dollar store, someplace where price is not able to be changed. I do not haggle, act superior, or say demeaning things if someone does not want to "Haggle" I just ask if they are motivated to make a sale today or take their chances that I will not buy it elsewhere. Apparently you are not willing to stake your claim to the business by reducing you donation and therefor sending your potential customer into your competitors bed, counter, floor or sofa assuring yourself that you will never have the chance to make them your valued customer. I personally look at the numbers, justify my worth, put value in my professionalism and make a modest adjustment to price, I have a dollar amount I will not go under but i will surcome to doing business at the lowest acceptable margin so that I A: don't let that work go to my competition and B: Put that money in the general fund and create cash flow so I can pay my bills. Unlike you I have capital equipment that has to be paid for or it goes away.


Anyone who has owned a business will attest to volatility of your
or any small enterprise. When my business falters due to the economy, the entry of new competition, or poor performance, they are forced to make adjustments sometimes on a daily, weekly or monthly basis to keep the doors open. When business slows I do not get paid I actually have to bunker down and work harder, smarter, longer and for less. but when the bills all get paid I hope that I show a 15% ROA and can take my paycheck and depsit it instead of leaving that money to pay bills that were unpaid.
You run specials, not for your customers but to raise capital to pay the bills, but are unwilling to say the fact that business is slow, your John count is low and you can't cut your monthly nut. I do comment your efforts toward animal rescue food donations and thought your specials were fantastic marketing. Everyone should do something for the good of humanity even if it is to feed the dogs and cats. I am joking I am an animal lover even though I am a dog person. I am sure your marketing efforts were a hit especially when it benefited both your customers and yourself along with the animals. I am sure that that special did wonders for how you are envisioned by existing and potential customers who took advantage and surely some that didn't. But you probably shot yourself in the foot by showing us that you feel we are walking ATMs


Now back on track.
You state low to middle class. I call bunk lets look at a service business similar to yours which offers services but no actual tangible product.
I see it this way every time $20-$40 discount on a 250 service. The bank is an average of $220 dollars if I do that 10 times a week for 40 weeks a year it would gross $88K. Add the regulars, maybe 10 a month at a full $250 an hour then the gross is an addl $30K equaling $118K. that is 11 customers a week or 22 hours if you include time for posting ads, showering, putting your costume on, your make up, changing the sheets and even washing them into the equation seeing you should be able to do so in 11 hours. So you could have made another $12K but I would not have had the volume. but if you "service" 5 less customers a month because you don't "haggle" you loose $15K grossing $85K plus your regulars making it $120K. If you accept to reduce your service charges to $220 for those 5 customers a month you now have an addl. $13K + making your income $133K. and that extra money comes in at less expense per ticker making them more profitable on the P+L sheet
Accepting fair offers allows you to build the reserves needed to weather the fluctuations AKA sick pay. Investing that 13K into a average mutual fund ( I used one of mine that had a 10 year return of 7.9% would net a total of just over $200K. I do not understand why you are against offering a reduced rate vs refusing the business.
You are not anywhere near the lower class as it caps at $60K and your over double working 22 hours a week. I know you have expenses but how you do that and how you control those have nothing to do with what you gross it affects you net. I have never seen a financial statement for an escort but I am guessing about 25% even for a ultra low provider (lower as volume increases) netting you over 100K a year for yes I said it again a part time job.

I believe this is well into the upper middle class when adjusted for your industries reputation for having extremely low tax rates anything over $60K is middle class (mid middle class is $40K)

[Sjc21108]

^^^^ You must be really bored to go to that much trouble.

[Guest021817-2]

Originally Posted by Sjc21108

^^^^ You must be really bored to go to that much trouble.

And angry at women in General.....

I did not read the complete rant.... So I am prolly' wrong again.

[siberia]

Originally Posted by lookn4boobies

And angry at women in General.....

I did not read the complete rant.... So I am prolly' wrong again.

You not wrong.
A person trying to shove a point of view down one's throat doesn't respect anothers way of doing business. Pushy people suck.

[Camille Fox]

Originally Posted by Sjc21108

^^^^ You must be really bored to go to that much trouble.

^^^^ I would just suggest a financial advisor. They get their share to crunch the numbers after selling you whole life.

[siberia]

Camille is sexy.
Who could argue
with her. IJS

[Sjc21108]

I didn't read it all either cause I'm not that bored. Can someone help me out and tell me what IYNHO means? Google couldn't.