Guns don't kill people ... Colleges in Oregon do

[JD Barleycorn]

Originally Posted by SpeedRacerXXX

I would accept any "proof" you have EXCEPT something written by John Lott. Pretty much everything he has published or said has been universally discredited.

I will restrict my comments to James Holmes. I used this source for the diaries of the guy since they were the most legible.

http://www.esquire.com/news-politics...olmes-journal/

According to the diary Holmes had 2 venues in mind -- an airport and a movie theater. He PARTIALLY eliminated the airport due to security. The MAIN reason he dismissed the airport is that it was "too much of a terrorist history. Terrorism isn't the message."

No where can I find that Holmes state he chose the theater he did because it was a gun free zone. He narrowed his choice down to, according to the diary, those theaters that were "isolated, proximal, and large". The Century 16 Cineplex was the the closest theater to his home that filled those requirements. Once that decision was made, the diary clearly states that he narrowed down his specific theater down to theater 10 or 9. He wrote 2 entire pages in the diary on the pros and cons of why to choose one over the other. He finally decided that theater 9 met his needs. ABSOLUTELY NO MENTION OF THE THEATER BEING A GUN FREE ZONE BEING PART OF HIS DECISION MAKING PROCESS.

Regarding your last paragraph on various polls.

The question in the Rasmussen poll was, to me, very poorly worded.
"Would you feel safer moving to a neighborhood where nobody was allowed to own a gun or a neighborhood where you could have a gun for your own protection?"

Many would find it hard to say "No" to that question. I don't own a gun. I don't look to my neighbors who might have a gun to protect me. I would not feel safer or unsafer in either case. But I think most people would say "No" when asked that question. Do I feel safer going to a movie theater that allows or bans guns? Makes no difference to me.

I couldn't find the Gallup poll to which you were referring. However, I can cite several recent polls that show gun ownership within homes to be at there lowest level in many decades, such as:

"A General Social Survey, which has been tracking gun ownership in surveys since 1872, has found that 31 percent of households reported owning a gun in 2014, which is down from approximately half of households in the late 1970's and early 1980's."

So while both the Rasmussen and Gallup polls may be correct in their results, people are not doing what they are saying is best. 63% say guns make them safer in their homes but only 31% have guns in their homes. Do you think that criminals are looking at the drop in homes having handguns and planning their next crime? Doubtful there is high correlation between handgun ownership in the homes and crimes committed by people coming into the home to commit a crime.

Do you have a sign outside your home stating something like "I am heavily armed so come in at your own risk"?

I wish I could answer but I have been published this specific topic and it is online. I don't want to give the stalker any info but my argument swayed a lot of people locally.

[SpeedRacerXXX]

Originally Posted by JD Barleycorn

I wish I could answer but I have been published this specific topic and it is online. I don't want to give the stalker any info but my argument swayed a lot of people locally.

Your response makes absolutely no sense.

All of a sudden you can't answer?? You've been published?? Hard to believe either statement. We probably have a different definition of the word "published". My best friend from HS is a professor at Penn State and has published several books. What constitutes being "published" on-line?

To me you have no answer because you, and John Lott, are birds of a feather, believing what you want to believe because it supports your point of view but in the real world is simply incorrect.

[SpeedRacerXXX]

Originally Posted by dirty dog

A couple of questions, does your office building employee armed security, if it does its not a gun free zone.

I thought more about your first statement. I recently went to watch a tennis match at the local HS. There was a town policeman at the match with his gun. My wife, a teacher, told me that armed officers are at all sporting events. So guns are allowed in at least some gun free zones.

[LexusLover]

Originally Posted by SpeedRacerXXX

....armed officers are at all sporting events. So guns are allowed in at least some gun free zones.

By law in Texas peace officers are allowed to carry firearms onto school campuses.

Texas Penal Code Sec. 46.15. NONAPPLICABILITY.

"(a) Sections 46.02 and 46.03 do not apply to:

"(1) peace officers or special investigators under Article 2.122, Code of Criminal Procedure, and neither section prohibits a peace officer or special investigator from carrying a weapon in this state, including in an establishment in this state serving the public, regardless of whether the peace officer or special investigator is engaged in the actual discharge of the officer's or investigator's duties while carrying the weapon;"

[Yssup Rider]

JDrunk has got the shakes again.

You can publish that.

[dirty dog]

Originally Posted by i'va biggen

The highway patrol office displays a no guns sign on the door, however I really doubt there aren't any firearms inside.

True but that also may explain why there have been no mass shootings there.

[JD Barleycorn]

Originally Posted by SpeedRacerXXX

Your response makes absolutely no sense.

All of a sudden you can't answer?? You've been published?? Hard to believe either statement. We probably have a different definition of the word "published". My best friend from HS is a professor at Penn State and has published several books. What constitutes being "published" on-line?

To me you have no answer because you, and John Lott, are birds of a feather, believing what you want to believe because it supports your point of view but in the real world is simply incorrect.

It must be wonderful to be a liberal when it comes to credibility. Anyone you disagree with has no credibility and according to the liberal verse, they have been refuted. Anyone you agree with, even with a hat made of tin foil, is completely credible.

John Lott, statistician, is not credible but Mother Jones is credible. Sounds more like Bizarro world to me.

[Guest040616]

Originally Posted by JD Barleycorn

It must be wonderful to be a liberal when it comes to credibility. Anyone you disagree with has no credibility and according to the liberal verse, they have been refuted. Anyone you agree with, even with a hat made of tin foil, is completely credible.

John Lott, statistician, is not credible but Mother Jones is credible. Sounds more like Bizarro world to me.

While on the subject of credible ... how "credible" did your Malaysian Airlines 777 Conspiracy Theory prove to be?

That bullshit story "sounds more like Bizarro world to me."

[WombRaider]

Originally Posted by JD Barleycorn

I wish I could answer but I have been published this specific topic and it is online. I don't want to give the stalker any info but my argument swayed a lot of people locally.

You're a fucking loon and this is a perfect example. No one gives a shit who you are, Rear Admiral TC. No one. And I doubt you've ever swayed a lot of people to do jack shit.

[WombRaider]

Originally Posted by bigtex

While on the subject of credible ... how "credible" did your Malaysian Airlines 777 Conspiracy Theory prove to be?

He's probably checking his 401k, since it dropped another $.50

[southtown4488]

the US has about ten times the number of gun homicides per capita compared to other western democracies, England and Australia. England and Australia have very strict gun laws in comparison, if we want to keep having ten times the rate of gun murders we should do nothing. . .. if we want to have much less gun murders we should enact similar gun control. Its that simple.

[CuteOldGuy]

Originally Posted by i'va biggen

Then you have shit like this....
A shoplifter at a Home Depot in Detroit came running out with a cart full of stolen goods, threw it into a SUV and was leaving, when a crazy bitch pulled her CC and started firing at the SUV. Unknown if she will face charges for discharging her weapon in a parking lot.

She's an idiot. I'd put her away for ten years.

[Mr MojoRisin]

Originally Posted by southtown4488

the US has about ten times the number of gun homicides per capita compared to other western democracies, England and Australia. England and Australia have very strict gun laws in comparison, if we want to keep having ten times the rate of gun murders we should do nothing. . .. if we want to have much less gun murders we should enact similar gun control. Its that simple.

Here's an article on how to make America Gun Free in five easy steps. After reading it think about why they haven't implemented it. Because this is the only way you'll have that near zero gun violence rate you and others so desperately hope for.

JIm


http://bearingarms.com/create-gun-fr...-5-easy-steps/

[dirty dog]

Originally Posted by southtown4488

the US has about ten times the number of gun homicides per capita compared to other western democracies, England and Australia. England and Australia have very strict gun laws in comparison, if we want to keep having ten times the rate of gun murders we should do nothing. . .. if we want to have much less gun murders we should enact similar gun control. Its that simple.

When you have countries with the same population densities to compare to let me know.

US 318 million
England 53 million
Australia 23 million

[SpeedRacerXXX]

Originally Posted by LexusLover

By law in Texas peace officers are allowed to carry firearms onto school campuses.

Texas Penal Code Sec. 46.15. NONAPPLICABILITY.

"(a) Sections 46.02 and 46.03 do not apply to:

"(1) peace officers or special investigators under Article 2.122, Code of Criminal Procedure, and neither section prohibits a peace officer or special investigator from carrying a weapon in this state, including in an establishment in this state serving the public, regardless of whether the peace officer or special investigator is engaged in the actual discharge of the officer's or investigator's duties while carrying the weapon;"

Thank you LL.