Russ Wants to Watch

[offshoredrilling]

got to love that term "Baby's Daddy". as ya know ya paying in tax $'s

[offshoredrilling]

[montana1958]

Nice OSD











OR

[offshoredrilling]

or made in Rochester


A bit much for some however.

[Doove]

Originally Posted by montana1958

First thing we agree on Ma Ha. It’s all coming from the White House

So she's gone from being the person who wants us all to pay for her to have sex, to now being a plant of the White House?

And let me say if was a George Bush administration policy during his administration you would be right there with me against him because the facts are the facts.

I'm the guy on here who gets grief for standing up for women. Where've you been? So think what you want, but this is one issue where i would have found it pretty easy to agree with Bush. Nevertheless, you're right about one thing; i'd be right there with ya.....but only because your position would have changed right with Rush's position. Because if you think Rush would have called someone a slut who testified on behalf of a Bush policy, then i want some of what you're smokin'.

I am assuming those figures are from a poll taken. One thing I distrust trust about polls is how the questions are asked but also why.

Then what, exactly, are you basing your "center-right country" claim on? Or are you only suspicious about polls that disagree with you?

So do I think Insurance is a hand out or in this case prescriptions for birth control. If the option is chosen for coverage than no.

Not good enough. Unless, of course, you think that it qualifies as a hand out only if the benefit is a mandated benefit. So let me re-phrase the question.

If your insurance company pays for something, on behalf of you or your spouse, that is covered as a mandated benefit, are you taking a handout?

Yes or no.

When our President goes out there and makes his compromise that the insurance companies will have to pay for the cost of birth control, he knows the facts. He knows he’s lying.

So you know that the cost of insurance companies dealing with unintended pregnancies is less expensive to them than paying for birth control would be? I'm sure you have the data to back this up.

By the way, isn't pregnancy coverage a mandated benefit?

What most people believe now is Republicans hate women, want to stop availability of birth control pills and stop abortions.

Well, like you yourself said, facts are facts.

When growing up my parents worked. It never crossed my mind to look for handouts or to be given basic necessities.

It never crossed my mind either. But so what? Pretty easy to say when your (and my) family never needed assistance.

[jackfengshui]

I continue to encourage my Republican friends to be steadfast in their assault on women's health.

[offshoredrilling]

yes we know Jack. That's why the reporter asked about it. To make it look like Republicans hate women. Its a good campaign stunt. As Obama has no record as its still all bush's fault. So run on the untruth that Republicans will take away condoms and birth control pills. Republicans just do not want to give away for free.

what was the lib's name that did book with wal-mart food is substandard and its the Republicans fault.

I rather go with the drill baby drill. I don't want a volt car that runs on coal.

[Doove]

Originally Posted by offshoredrilling

So run on the untruth that Republicans will take away condoms and birth control pills. Republicans just do not want to give away for free.

So how about you answer the question, OSD. If your insurance pays one of your health care costs, for a coverage that's mandated by law, are you receiving a handout?

[jackfengshui]

There are people who are against all Government programs - except those that benefit them.

I find it most ironic that Mitt Romney has to disavow something he should be most proud of - healthcare reform in Massachusetts.

Not reforming healthcare is not an option, even if you don't believe in equity. We pay twice as much per person on healthcare than most industrialized countries. It will bankrupt our economy.

[jackfengshui]

Originally Posted by offshoredrilling

you should have to pay for it. or get a job to get it. health is not in the bill of right.

Any system that depends primarily on health insurance being provided by employers is insane. It is not equitable, stifles workforce mobility, and is a deterrent to job creation.

A person working for a big company gets excellent health insurance. Another person doing the same job for a mom-and-pop operation receives minimal or no health insurance. Either person would lose health insurance if he/she has the misfortune of being laid off. Is that fair?

Many people are reluctant to change to more suitable jobs for fear of losing health insurance.

Many hard-working self-employed people, including many providers I know, have no health insurance, or have to pay through the nose to get it.

Many people who have inadequate or no health insurance are one sickness away from going bankrupt.

For the conscientious employers who want to do the right thing and provide adequate health insurance to their employees, it is a heavy financial burden. Because of the presence of universal healthcare in Canada, it costs GM or Ford several thousand dollars less to build a car in Canada than in the U.S.

[offshoredrilling]

Originally Posted by Doove

So how about you answer the question, OSD. If your insurance pays one of your health care costs, for a coverage that's mandated by law, are you receiving a handout?

there should be nothing mandated by law in health care is the point.

[offshoredrilling]

Canada's “Free” Health Care Has Hidden Costs



"The hidden costs include the poor quality of services, and the costs imposed on customers (aptly called “patients” in this case) who have to wait in queues."

[Doove]

Now this is a real example of someone who wants something for nothing.

Reporting from Washington— Mary Brown, a 56-year-old Florida woman who owned a small auto repair shop but had no health insurance, became the lead plaintiff challenging President Obama's healthcare law because she was passionate about the issue.

Brown "doesn't have insurance. She doesn't want to pay for it. And she doesn't want the government to tell her she has to have it," said Karen Harned, a lawyer for the National Federation of Independent Business. Brown is a plaintiff in the federation's case, which the Supreme Court plans to hear later this month.

But court records reveal that Brown and her husband filed for bankruptcy last fall with $4,500 in unpaid medical bills.

But Sandra Fluke is a slut.

[jackfengshui]

Originally Posted by offshoredrilling

Canada's “Free” Health Care Has Hidden Costs

Nobody is advocating for the Canadian system.

We have yet to be enlightened on how you would fix healthcare in the U.S., other than pretending that there is no problem.

[Doove]

Originally Posted by offshoredrilling

there should be nothing mandated by law in health care is the point.

Ok, but the ramifications of that would make for a whole 'nother thread. But for the purposes of this argument, there is. So i'll ask again.

If your insurance company pays for, either a prescription or a procedure on your behalf, one that is mandated by law, are you receiving a handout?

It goes to the crux of your and Montana's criticism of Sandra Fluke - inspired by your feeling the need to defend Rush Limbaugh as much as anything, but that's neither here nor there.

So yes or no?