Climate change .. the SCAM.

[i'va biggen]

Try inhaling it and exhaling some oxygen, and see how that works for you whiffy.

[Rey Lengua]

Originally Posted by i'va biggen

Try inhaling it and exhaling some oxygen, and see how that works for you whiffy.

Like YOU inhale cocks and DON'T exhale the man batter, EKIM !

[i'va biggen]

Originally Posted by Rey Lengua

Like YOU inhale cocks and DON'T exhale the man batter, EKIM !

What a surprise another faggot comment from the head faggot, gay rey. If you cut his head open a lot of dicks would fall out.

[Rey Lengua]

Originally Posted by i'va biggen

What a surprise another faggot comment from the head faggot, gay rey. If you cut his head open a lot of dicks would fall out.

The truth about YOU hurts, huh EKIM ! Keep posting YOUR selfie EKIM. It ought to help YOU with that landslide winning 2017 DOTY poll that YOU so want to win and are campaigning hard for !

[i'va biggen]

Originally Posted by Rey Lengua

The truth about YOU hurts, huh EKIM ! Keep posting YOUR selfie EKIM. It ought to help YOU with that landslide winning 2017 DOTY poll that YOU so want to win and are campaigning hard for !

Another stupid fag post from the head fag, gay rey. Do you get a notification when I post so you can run to the basement of your glory hole to stalk me?

[Munchmasterman]

Originally Posted by DSK

Germany Opens Another New Coal Plant
NOVEMBER 20, 2015

https://notalotofpeopleknowthat.word...ew-coal-plant/

From the GWPF:

On Thursday in the Hamburg suburb of Moorburg, Hamburg’s mayor Olaf Scholz, a leading figure in Germany’s Social Democratic Party (SPD), stood alongside Magnus Hall, president of Swedish energy utility Vattenfall, and pushed a big button.

The button-pushing symbolized Vattenfall’s ceremonial opening of a 1,600 Megawatt (MW) coal-fired power plant that had been under construction for eight years – despite heated opposition from Germany’s greens, who want the country to exit from coal altogether....etc

What's wrong with solar...hahahahahahahahahaha

Nothing other than night time unless you have a storage setup. The output drops as you go north or south from the equator. No one claimed it was going to replace power plants.. It's free after the initial equipment cost and renewable. The system converts DC to AC at a 80% rate. Home owners who have solar setups can feed back through their meter or some locals they will pay per kilo-watt hour you put back. In Austin. after rebates and credit that it took 4 to 8 years depending on number of panels, density of cells, and angles of the arrays to pay for equipment.

[IIFFOFRDB]

eeehhbhhhrrrr, you was hoodwinked...

http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/q...eda25aacfba166

Great Barrier Reef Devastated by Bleaching

THE ABC has been panned by mining chiefs and Federal Environment Minister Greg Hunt for using a misleading photograph to highlight coverage of coral bleaching on the Great Barrier Reef.

The national broadcaster’s Triple J Hack website carried a report on damage to Queensland’s natural wonder on *Wednesday, but featured a dramatic composite image of dead coral that was taken at Flowerpot Rock in American Samoa.

It was the same picture that The Courier-Mail last weekend revealed environmental group Greenpeace had used in a tweet linking damage to the Great Barrier Reef with the coal industry.

Queensland Resources Council has made a formal complaint to the taxpayer-funded broadcaster over the latest instance.

“When The Courier-Mail revealed this Great Barrier Reef ruse last Saturday, Greenpeace themselves even admitted the photo in question was a fake,” QRC chief executive Michael Roche said.

“We would hope that this is just an ABC editorial faux pas and not a sign of their *willingness to deploy uncritical repetition of discredited propaganda.”


Mr Hunt said: “It’s disappointing to see that Triple J has also been tricked by Greenpeace’s deceptive campaign.”

[Rey Lengua]

Originally Posted by IIFFOFRDB

eeehhbhhhrrrr, you was hoodwinked...

http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/q...eda25aacfba166

More fraud from the " climate change " crowd ? Imagine THAT !

[IIFFOFRDB]

Originally Posted by Munchmasterman

Nothing other than night time unless you have a storage setup. The output drops as you go north or south from the equator. No one claimed it was going to replace power plants.. It's free after the initial equipment cost and renewable. The system converts DC to AC at a 80% rate. Home owners who have solar setups can feed back through their meter or some locals they will pay per kilo-watt hour you put back. In Austin. after rebates and credit that it took 4 to 8 years depending on number of panels, density of cells, and angles of the arrays to pay for equipment.

munkin you're a GASBAG... http://lidblog.com/cheap-solar-energy-an-obama-fraud/#



Cheap Solar Energy: An Obama Fraud
by Jeff Dunetz | Nov 19, 2015 | Economy

Solar energy is the latest example of every time the U.S. government picks winners and losers in the marketplace, the big loser is the American taxpayer.
By 2017 the federal crutch for the solar industry (tax credits) expires and according to many different sources the solar energy industry will collapse like a house of cards.
“Solar power’s value as a grid resource is limited because we simply can’t count on it to meet peak demand in the evenings,” Travis Fischer, economist at the Institute for Energy Research, told The Daily Caller News Foundation. “In fact, solar power could cause major problems if implemented on a wide scale due to its daytime-only production profile.”

The Solar power industry has shown strong growth since Obama became president but but because the solar panels and their installation is so expensive, that growth has been been heavily supported by taxpayer supported government incentives.
The 30 percent investment tax credit for solar power will expire at the end of 2016, threatening the long term future of the industry. The solar industry has been expanding in the U.S. with installations up 30 percent on the year, according to The Wall Street Journal. But critics warn that much of this success is due to government efforts to pick winners and losers in energy and cast solar power as an updated and modern technology.

But here’s the rub, solar energy is not that new and modern:
“Advocates like to leave the impression that solar power is an exciting, new technology with a limitless future. In reality, solar power is not new–photovoltaic solar panels date back to 1883,” said Fischer.

Experts warn that ending the subsidy will devastate solar power and could cost the industry thousands of jobs. Bloomberg estimates a two-thirds drop in solar instillations in 2017 if the credit expires, reports The Wall Street Journal. According to Energy Information Administration data, rooftop instillations could plummet 94 percent while utility scale projects could drop by 100 percent.

And while the progressives like Obama keep talking about the “rich” needing to do their fair share, because of the expense of setting up solar panels those solar energy tax credits are going to wealthier families with larger houses. Gee that’s not very liberal of them.
And as it represents such a tiny amount of U.S. electricity, (0.004 of the total output) there is doubt to whether it will ever be an important part of the future U.S. energy source.
“Despite being heavily subsidized by handouts like the investment tax credit, solar power still makes up only a small fraction of the electricity we need to keep the lights on,” said Fischer.

[DSK]

Originally Posted by Munchmasterman

Nothing other than night time unless you have a storage setup. The output drops as you go north or south from the equator. No one claimed it was going to replace power plants.. It's free after the initial equipment cost and renewable. The system converts DC to AC at a 80% rate. Home owners who have solar setups can feed back through their meter or some locals they will pay per kilo-watt hour you put back. In Austin. after rebates and credit that it took 4 to 8 years depending on number of panels, density of cells, and angles of the arrays to pay for equipment.

I take issue with two of your points:

1. The amount they get paid back from the utility causes a loss for the utility that can buy wholesale electricity much cheaper, but they are forced to buy it back from the consumer, hence creating a subsidy. However, it is a pretty good idea in general, much cheaper than forcing everyone to buy batteries from Tesla to store their own power. I agree with the law but object to it being characterized as something in favor of solar. It is a law needed to prop up solar.

2. People always ignore the maintenance cost and lifetime of solar equipment. Who pays, for instance, and what price do they pay, ten years from now when the inevitable hailstorm in Texas takes out the panels that might be near the end of their useful life anyway? These are legitimate costs that detract from the unsubsidized viability of solar.

[DSK]

Originally Posted by i'va biggen

Another stupid fag post from the head fag, gay rey. Do you get a notification when I post so you can run to the basement of your glory hole to stalk me?

Fuck you you you you stuttering old queen.

[Munchmasterman]

Doesn't it bother you to post this bullshit? You claiming I'm a gasbag is a complement. You being a douche-bag is just a fact of life.

Originally Posted by IIFFOFRDB

munkin you're a GASBAG...A renewable energy source.

http://lidblog.com/cheap-solar-energy-an-obama-fraud/#



Cheap Solar Energy: An Obama Fraud
by Jeff Dunetz | Nov 19, 2015 | Economy

30, 250 watt solar panels at $200 a pop is $6000. Add a $1800 inverter.

$7800 plus another $1000-2000 for support and installation for a system that will completely supply power to the average US home.
That's with no rebates.

According to the U.S. Energy Information Administration, the average monthly electricity consumption for a residential utility customer is about 903 kWh per month. or 10836 per year


To figure out how many kilowatt-hours (kWh) your solar panel system puts out per year, you need to multiply the size of your system in kW DC times the .8 derate factor times the number of hours of sun. So if you have a 7.5 kW DC system working an average of 5 hours per day, 365 days a year, it’ll result in 10,950 kWh in a year

$200 x 12 =$2400 (200 per month for electric
5 x 2400 =12000 5 years saving
In this example, free electric after 5 years.

All these prices are easily found on line. You have 2 years to buy a system that will grandfather the rebates for a large savings above the numbers
I used.

Everyone knows the limitations of solar. The companies that make the equipment didn't wake up last week and realize this doesn't work at night. It was never intended to be sole supplier to a grid. Who didn't know that? The total amount of electricity provided by solar goes up every year with increasing annual %.
About 5 years to pay for a system that will give a person basically free electricity for 10 to 20 years.
http://understandsolar.com/calculati...anels-produce/

The solar companies are fine. They don't need the rebate now.
Simple easy numbers. I provided some prices.
Did you notice what they said about price? Other than not mentioning them?

Solar energy is the latest example of every time the U.S. government picks winners and losers in the marketplace, the big loser is the American taxpayer.
By 2017 the federal crutch for the solar industry (tax credits) expires and according to many different sources the solar energy industry will collapse like a house of cards.
“Solar power’s value as a grid resource is limited because we simply can’t count on it to meet peak demand in the evenings,” Well no shit sherlock Travis Fischer, economist at the Institute for Energy Research, told The Daily Caller News Foundation. “In fact, solar power could cause major problems if implemented on a wide scale due to its daytime-only production profile.” You just bring more turbines on line. Duh. Lots of extra capacity This isn't "instead of" It's in addition to. Go ahead and dump your solar stocks.

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The Solar power industry has shown strong growth since Obama became president but but because the solar panels and their installation is so expensive, that growth has been been grammar) heavily supported by taxpayer supported government incentives.
The 30 percent investment tax credit for solar power will expire at the end of 2016, threatening the long term future of the industry. The solar industry has been expanding in the U.S. with installations up 30 percent on the year, according to The Wall Street Journal. But critics warn that much of this success is due to government efforts to pick winners and losers in energy and cast solar power as an updated and modern technology.

But here’s the rub, solar energy is not that new and modern:
“Advocates like to leave the impression that solar power is an exciting, new technology with a limitless future. In reality, solar power is not new–photovoltaic solar panels date back to 1883,” said Fischer. Air planes aren't new either.

Experts warn that ending the subsidy will devastate solar power and could cost the industry thousands of jobs. Bloomberg estimates a two-thirds drop in solar instillations in 2017 if the credit expires, reports The Wall Street Journal. According to Energy Information Administration data, rooftop instillations could plummet 94 percent while utility scale projects could drop by 100 percent.

And while the progressives like Obama keep talking about the “rich” needing to do their fair share, because of the expense of setting up solar panels those solar energy tax credits are going to wealthier families with larger houses. Gee that’s not very liberal of them.
And as it represents such a tiny amount of U.S. electricity, (0.004 of the total output) This is total bullshit. See below.
www.eia.gov/forecasts/steo/report/renew_co2.cfm
Short-Term Energy Outlook . Release Date: May 10, ... Forecast utility-scale solar power generation averages 1.1% of total U.S. electricity generation ...

there is doubt to whether it will ever be an important part of the future U.S. energy source.
“Despite being heavily subsidized by handouts like the investment tax credit, solar power still makes up only a small fraction of the electricity we need to keep the lights on,” said Fischer.
This "article" is sponsored the oil industry and oil people

[IIFFOFRDB]

About double what you quoted, munkin... borrow the money and pay some interest on it over the next 10 years... OK, says the poor family in America... said never!

Total Costs $19,500

System $9,000

Solar Panels $6,500

Balance of System $2,500

Installation $7,500

Labor $3,000

Permits, Inspection Fees $4,500

Operational Costs $3,000

I know what it says but it's gas-lighting SALES BULLSHIT, 0zombies... http://energyinformative.org/solar-panels-cost/

You watch!

[Munchmasterman]

Originally Posted by DSK

I take issue with two of your points:

1. The amount they get paid back from the utility causes a loss for the utility that can buy wholesale electricity much cheaper, but they are forced to buy it back from the consumer, hence creating a subsidy. However, it is a pretty good idea in general, much cheaper than forcing everyone to buy batteries from Tesla to store their own power. I agree with the law but object to it being characterized as something in favor of solar. It is a law needed to prop up solar.
The utilities not making as much money is of no concern to me. The co-ops and LCRA have been raking in the cash as long as they've been here. You don't get money until you back your meter to a value less than a set point which might be monthly or quarterly etc, It doesn't prop up solar. Solar stands on it's own. If they removed buy backs you still get to zero your meter if you produce that much. If generating your own power isn't something in favor of solar then what is?
2. People always ignore the maintenance cost and lifetime of solar equipment. Who pays, for instance, and what price do they pay, ten years from now when the inevitable hailstorm in Texas takes out the panels that might be near the end of their useful life anyway? These are legitimate costs that detract from the unsubsidized viability of solar.

Home owner's insurance covers damage. Maintenance would be keeping the units clean. There are no moving parts. The inverter box may be sealed. Useful service life is between 10 and 20 years. I don't know what factors are determined to increase life, In Texas you recover your investment in @ 5 years

[Munchmasterman]

Originally Posted by IIFFOFRDB

About double what you quoted, munkin... borrow the money and pay some interest on it over the next 10 years... OK, says the poor family in America... said never!




I know what it says but it's gas-lighting SALES BULLSHIT, 0zombies... http://energyinformative.org/solar-panels-cost/

You watch!

There was a $9252 rebate you didn't mention.

Note that all numbers discussed in this article are dependent on a boatload of different variables such as where in the country you live – they do however represent typical costs

Total Savings represent the sum of electricity savings for the next 25 years – typically how long a solar panel warranty lasts. The solar system will more than likely keep generating electricity after 25 years, which will result in more savings and a higher ROI in the years to come

Solar Panels

The solar panels themselves usually account for about 30% of total costs. Residential solar panels with a combined capacity of 3-8kW typically cost between $4,000-$16,000
I told you how I got $6000

Balance of system (BoS) refers to all components of a solar system except the solar panels themselves. This typically includes one or several inverters, mounts, wiring and other electrical components. Balance of system makes up for about 20% of total costs – homeowners should expect to pay somewhere between $3,000-$10,000 for these components.
$3000
Installation Costs

In this category we`ve included labor costs (15%), as well as permits and inspection fees (15%). The cost of both categories are highly dependent on what state you live in, but in most cases end up between $2,000-$5,000 per installation
Permits were $475 2 years ago in Austin. Standard install can be done in less than a day by 2 guys.
$2500
Operational Costs

Operational costs include monitoring, maintenance, repair, insurance and overhead costs – typically $4,000-$8,000 (20%).
This is a cost category where there is a lot of potential to cut costs. Not everyone will need monitoring and you can probably get away with little maintenance. You will hopefully never need any repairs

No monitoring, No paid maintenance. Added insurance @$380 a year. You don't pay for repairs now.
$380

Total $11880
Rebates $9252

End cost $2628