Sydney Powell's defense: Only dumbasses would believe that voter fraud shit I was spreading!

[bambino]

Originally Posted by WTF

Sandmann

Oh, now you’re referring to Sandman when you said his suits were frivolous and would never win.

[VerySkeptical]

Originally Posted by HedonistForever

Stating the facts of the case was un-necessary when my question was "why lie when you committed no crime"? Seemingly, the only reason one would chose to lie, would be to cover up the fact that one did something illegal. I understand why he was prosecuted, because he lied. The question is why did he lie when he committed no crime with perhaps the exception of the Logan Act which would have obviously failed in a court of law and Sally Yates had to have known that.


So the question to you becomes, was his conversation illegal, not whether he lied about it, he did. Why? If he admitted to what he said, could he, would he have been prosecuted and the obvious answer is no, he wouldn't have been prosecuted. There in lies the conundrum.

What are you talking about? My post was clearly a response to the "teh" guy's heritage article. Which shows exactly why constantly restating the facts of the case is necessary. The article fails to state the facts of why Flynn was charged and pled guilty.
I wasn't answering your question because I'm not going to dwell on why he lied. I think it's safe to say he lied for his own self interests. Why he chose to lie doesn't change the fact he lied. The Logan Act was brought up for discussion and Sally Yates pointed out it was unenforceable. It was not a part of the charges.

Your question to me is moot. The only person who could answer that is Flynn and he isn't saying. And why would you believe what he says? He has changed his story many times.
Since you or no one else say anything about the fact a frequently used source excluded the facts and reasons he was charged and convicted (because if they included that information in the article they would have shot their own article in the foot), the facts can't be stated too often.
And thank you for admitting I was stating the facts of the case. That will do for now since expecting you to correct the crazy guy would be too much to expect.
Your "conundrum" comes in after my decision what to have for lunch.
Him knowing he lied and his plea deal is enough for me.
Sydney Powell being sued for a billion dollars is a good enough answer why she changed her story, in my opinion.

[VerySkeptical]

Originally Posted by HedonistForever

Again, a whole lot of un-necessary information and your statement of "not true" did not comport with the statement that cases are being reviewed. That is most certainly true. You could save yourself a whole lot of writing by simply addressing what was stated not a litany of what happened.

Again, what are you talking about?
Bambi gave one specific example. The Antrim county issue.
My response showed the info that debunked all the Antrim misinformation he posted. His "parler" link doesn't go to an official investigation. And right know, the biggest election related investigation in Georgia concerns Trump's "find me 12000 votes" call to the SOS.

You could have saved yourself 2 posts.
Apparently you think it's more important to whine about how many words I use than to correct misinformation that is constantly repeated on this and other sites.
I reject your judgement on what is important, relevant, and see you ignoring content as well as your attempts to "control" other's posts. You not seeing someone else's line of reason is your problem. Don't like my posts? Tough. Don't read them.

If I am ever speaking directly to you or answering one of your questions (which have only an opinion for an answer), I'll let you know my comment is specifically for you.

[VerySkeptical]

Originally Posted by bambino

Dominion is suing everybody. Let’s see where it goes funkdaddy. Until they win a case, it means nothing.

I can see where you might "think" that.
In reality, it's the ex-mayor, the (ex?)lawyer, and the pillow guy.
Fox was added last Friday.

[bambino]

Originally Posted by VerySkeptical

I can see where you might "think" that.
In reality, it's the ex-mayor, the (ex?)lawyer, and the pillow guy.
Fox was added last Friday.

So what’s your point. Another lawsuit. You can sue a ham sandwich. Nothing has been settled.

[WTF]

Originally Posted by bambino

Oh, now you’re referring to Sandman when you said his suits were frivolous and would never win.

We do not know if he won...there was no trial.

[WTF]

Originally Posted by VerySkeptical

Again, what are you talking about?
Bambi gave one specific example. The Antrim county issue.
My response showed the info that debunked all the Antrim misinformation he posted. His "parler" link doesn't go to an official investigation. And right know, the biggest election related investigation in Georgia concerns Trump's "find me 12000 votes" call to the SOS.

You could have saved yourself 2 posts.
Apparently you think it's more important to whine about how many words I use than to correct misinformation that is constantly repeated on this and other sites.
I reject your judgement on what is important, relevant, and see you ignoring content as well as your attempts to "control" other's posts. You not seeing someone else's line of reason is your problem. Don't like my posts? Tough. Don't read them.

If I am ever speaking directly to you or answering one of your questions (which have only an opinion for an answer), I'll let you know my comment is specifically for you.

bambino's lie about Antrim county was disproved months ago...yet those proud boys keep posting it as fact.

[bambino]

Originally Posted by WTF

We do not know if he won...there was no trial.

The Media settled out of court. He received payment. He won.

[bambino]

Originally Posted by WTF

bambino's lie about Antrim county was disproved months ago...yet those proud boys keep posting it as fact.

Debunked by politifact?


https://winteryknight.com/2018/10/19...ble-or-biased/

https://www.americanlibertyemail.com...n-voter-fraud/

[WTF]

Originally Posted by bambino

Debunked by politifact?


https://winteryknight.com/2018/10/19...ble-or-biased/

https://www.americanlibertyemail.com...n-voter-fraud/

You sound like a Tin foil hat wearing loon...


https://www.detroitnews.com/story/ne...ng/6537394002/



Michigan election officials slam report on votes in Antrim County
Craig Mauger
The Detroit News
Lansing — Michigan's top election officials denounced Monday a 23-page report on voting technology in rural Antrim County, which has become a hot spot for conspiracies trying to discredit President-elect Joe Biden's victory nationally.


On Monday morning, Circuit Court Judge Kevin Elsenheimer allowed supporters of President Donald Trump to publicly release and discuss information they've collected through a forensic analysis of tabulators and data in the 23,000-person Northern Michigan county.




The information, which was gathered as part of a legal fight there, had previously been under protective order, meaning it couldn't be publicly released.

Secretary of State Jocelyn Benson and Attorney General Dana Nessel issued a joint statement calling the report "another in a long stream of misguided, vague and dubious assertions designed to erode public confidence in the November presidential election."

President Donald Trump and first lady Melania Trump board Air Force One to travel to a campaign rally in Valdosta, Ga., Saturday, Dec. 5, 2020, at Andrews Air Force Base, Md.
Antrim County, which is reliably Republican, has been in the spotlight because its initial results on election night showed Biden ahead of Trump by thousands of votes. Election officials later determined there were problems in the reporting of the results, and Trump ended up winning the county by more than 3,700 votes.

"If the Trump campaign had any actual evidence of wrongdoing – or genuine suspicion thereof – they could have requested a hand recount of every ballot in the state," Benson said in a Monday statement. "They did not, instead choosing to allow shadowy organizations claiming expertise to throw around baseless claims of fraud in an effort to mislead American voters and undermine the integrity of the election."

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But Trump, who lost Michigan by 154,000 votes, tweeted that the report showed "massive fraud." The report came from an organization called Allied Security Operations Group, which has previously made false claims about Michigan's election.

The group previously claimed there were six precincts with more than 120% turnout in the state's election. But its data was incorrect, according to publicly available turnout numbers.

The new report alleges that Dominion Voting Systems, the election technology used by Antrim County and elsewhere, "is intentionally and purposefully designed with inherent errors to create systemic fraud and influence election results." It's unclear how Allied Security Operations Group (ASOG) reached this conclusion, however.




Likewise, the report, authored by Russell James Ramsland, Jr., who is part of ASOG's management team, says the group found an "error rate" of 68% when examining "the tabulation log" of the server for Antrim County. It's also unclear what the "error rate" data refers to specifically and how it impacts the results.

"The results of the Antrim County 2020 election are not certifiable," Ramsland wrote. "This is a result of machine and/or software error, not human error."




In one section, the report referenced a 2004 referendum vote in Venezuela, saying the findings in Antrim County reflected the same tactics to "manipulate" votes.

Benson, Nessel, Michigan Elections Director Jonathan Brater, Dominion and Antrim County Clerk Sheryl Guy all pushed back on the report.

Guy, a Republican, said she was saddened by the efforts to discredit the equipment.

"I did read the report and find that there are many misleading statements that are simply not accurate," Guy said.




Dominion said in a statement that there were no software glitches in Antrim County or anywhere else. The problems in the county were "isolated human errors not involving Dominion." Officials failed to update the programming in their tabulators after requiring changes to their ballot, the company said.

The clerk's staff in Antrim County did not update the media drives for all of the tabulators in the county, so some tabulators did not communicate properly with the county’s central election management system software, according to the Michigan Secretary of State's Office.

After discovering the error in reporting the unofficial results, the clerk's office worked to report correct unofficial results by reviewing the printed totals tape on each tabulator and hand-entering the results for each race, for each precinct in the county, the secretary of state's office previously said.

Jonathan Brater
In a signed statement filed in court, Brater said the report makes a "series of unsupported conclusions" and "ascribes motives of fraud and obfuscation to processes that are easily explained as routine election procedures or error corrections."

Michigan uses hand-marked paper ballots, Brater noted. The Michigan Bureau of Elections and Antrim County will conduct a hand tally of all ballots cast in the presidential election there, he said.

[bambino]

Originally Posted by WTF

You sound like a Tin foil hat wearing loon...


https://www.detroitnews.com/story/ne...ng/6537394002/



Michigan election officials slam report on votes in Antrim County
Craig Mauger
The Detroit News
Lansing — Michigan's top election officials denounced Monday a 23-page report on voting technology in rural Antrim County, which has become a hot spot for conspiracies trying to discredit President-elect Joe Biden's victory nationally.


On Monday morning, Circuit Court Judge Kevin Elsenheimer allowed supporters of President Donald Trump to publicly release and discuss information they've collected through a forensic analysis of tabulators and data in the 23,000-person Northern Michigan county.




The information, which was gathered as part of a legal fight there, had previously been under protective order, meaning it couldn't be publicly released.

Secretary of State Jocelyn Benson and Attorney General Dana Nessel issued a joint statement calling the report "another in a long stream of misguided, vague and dubious assertions designed to erode public confidence in the November presidential election."

President Donald Trump and first lady Melania Trump board Air Force One to travel to a campaign rally in Valdosta, Ga., Saturday, Dec. 5, 2020, at Andrews Air Force Base, Md.
Antrim County, which is reliably Republican, has been in the spotlight because its initial results on election night showed Biden ahead of Trump by thousands of votes. Election officials later determined there were problems in the reporting of the results, and Trump ended up winning the county by more than 3,700 votes.

"If the Trump campaign had any actual evidence of wrongdoing – or genuine suspicion thereof – they could have requested a hand recount of every ballot in the state," Benson said in a Monday statement. "They did not, instead choosing to allow shadowy organizations claiming expertise to throw around baseless claims of fraud in an effort to mislead American voters and undermine the integrity of the election."

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But Trump, who lost Michigan by 154,000 votes, tweeted that the report showed "massive fraud." The report came from an organization called Allied Security Operations Group, which has previously made false claims about Michigan's election.

The group previously claimed there were six precincts with more than 120% turnout in the state's election. But its data was incorrect, according to publicly available turnout numbers.

The new report alleges that Dominion Voting Systems, the election technology used by Antrim County and elsewhere, "is intentionally and purposefully designed with inherent errors to create systemic fraud and influence election results." It's unclear how Allied Security Operations Group (ASOG) reached this conclusion, however.




Likewise, the report, authored by Russell James Ramsland, Jr., who is part of ASOG's management team, says the group found an "error rate" of 68% when examining "the tabulation log" of the server for Antrim County. It's also unclear what the "error rate" data refers to specifically and how it impacts the results.

"The results of the Antrim County 2020 election are not certifiable," Ramsland wrote. "This is a result of machine and/or software error, not human error."




In one section, the report referenced a 2004 referendum vote in Venezuela, saying the findings in Antrim County reflected the same tactics to "manipulate" votes.

Benson, Nessel, Michigan Elections Director Jonathan Brater, Dominion and Antrim County Clerk Sheryl Guy all pushed back on the report.

Guy, a Republican, said she was saddened by the efforts to discredit the equipment.

"I did read the report and find that there are many misleading statements that are simply not accurate," Guy said.




Dominion said in a statement that there were no software glitches in Antrim County or anywhere else. The problems in the county were "isolated human errors not involving Dominion." Officials failed to update the programming in their tabulators after requiring changes to their ballot, the company said.

The clerk's staff in Antrim County did not update the media drives for all of the tabulators in the county, so some tabulators did not communicate properly with the county’s central election management system software, according to the Michigan Secretary of State's Office.

After discovering the error in reporting the unofficial results, the clerk's office worked to report correct unofficial results by reviewing the printed totals tape on each tabulator and hand-entering the results for each race, for each precinct in the county, the secretary of state's office previously said.

Jonathan Brater
In a signed statement filed in court, Brater said the report makes a "series of unsupported conclusions" and "ascribes motives of fraud and obfuscation to processes that are easily explained as routine election procedures or error corrections."

Michigan uses hand-marked paper ballots, Brater noted. The Michigan Bureau of Elections and Antrim County will conduct a hand tally of all ballots cast in the presidential election there, he said.

Dominion said.... your dunce cap fits perfectly!!!

[VerySkeptical]

Originally Posted by WTF

You sound like a Tin foil hat wearing loon...


https://www.detroitnews.com/story/ne...ng/6537394002/



Michigan election officials slam report on votes in Antrim County
Craig Mauger
The Detroit News
Lansing — Michigan's top election officials denounced Monday a 23-page report on voting technology in rural Antrim County, which has become a hot spot for conspiracies trying to discredit President-elect Joe Biden's victory nationally.


On Monday morning, Circuit Court Judge Kevin Elsenheimer allowed supporters of President Donald Trump to publicly release and discuss information they've collected through a forensic analysis of tabulators and data in the 23,000-person Northern Michigan county.




The information, which was gathered as part of a legal fight there, had previously been under protective order, meaning it couldn't be publicly released.

Secretary of State Jocelyn Benson and Attorney General Dana Nessel issued a joint statement calling the report "another in a long stream of misguided, vague and dubious assertions designed to erode public confidence in the November presidential election."

President Donald Trump and first lady Melania Trump board Air Force One to travel to a campaign rally in Valdosta, Ga., Saturday, Dec. 5, 2020, at Andrews Air Force Base, Md.
Antrim County, which is reliably Republican, has been in the spotlight because its initial results on election night showed Biden ahead of Trump by thousands of votes. Election officials later determined there were problems in the reporting of the results, and Trump ended up winning the county by more than 3,700 votes.

"If the Trump campaign had any actual evidence of wrongdoing – or genuine suspicion thereof – they could have requested a hand recount of every ballot in the state," Benson said in a Monday statement. "They did not, instead choosing to allow shadowy organizations claiming expertise to throw around baseless claims of fraud in an effort to mislead American voters and undermine the integrity of the election."

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But Trump, who lost Michigan by 154,000 votes, tweeted that the report showed "massive fraud." The report came from an organization called Allied Security Operations Group, which has previously made false claims about Michigan's election.

The group previously claimed there were six precincts with more than 120% turnout in the state's election. But its data was incorrect, according to publicly available turnout numbers.

The new report alleges that Dominion Voting Systems, the election technology used by Antrim County and elsewhere, "is intentionally and purposefully designed with inherent errors to create systemic fraud and influence election results." It's unclear how Allied Security Operations Group (ASOG) reached this conclusion, however.




Likewise, the report, authored by Russell James Ramsland, Jr., who is part of ASOG's management team, says the group found an "error rate" of 68% when examining "the tabulation log" of the server for Antrim County. It's also unclear what the "error rate" data refers to specifically and how it impacts the results.

"The results of the Antrim County 2020 election are not certifiable," Ramsland wrote. "This is a result of machine and/or software error, not human error."




In one section, the report referenced a 2004 referendum vote in Venezuela, saying the findings in Antrim County reflected the same tactics to "manipulate" votes.

Benson, Nessel, Michigan Elections Director Jonathan Brater, Dominion and Antrim County Clerk Sheryl Guy all pushed back on the report.

Guy, a Republican, said she was saddened by the efforts to discredit the equipment.

"I did read the report and find that there are many misleading statements that are simply not accurate," Guy said.




Dominion said in a statement that there were no software glitches in Antrim County or anywhere else. The problems in the county were "isolated human errors not involving Dominion." Officials failed to update the programming in their tabulators after requiring changes to their ballot, the company said.

The clerk's staff in Antrim County did not update the media drives for all of the tabulators in the county, so some tabulators did not communicate properly with the county’s central election management system software, according to the Michigan Secretary of State's Office.

After discovering the error in reporting the unofficial results, the clerk's office worked to report correct unofficial results by reviewing the printed totals tape on each tabulator and hand-entering the results for each race, for each precinct in the county, the secretary of state's office previously said.

Jonathan Brater
In a signed statement filed in court, Brater said the report makes a "series of unsupported conclusions" and "ascribes motives of fraud and obfuscation to processes that are easily explained as routine election procedures or error corrections."

Michigan uses hand-marked paper ballots, Brater noted. The Michigan Bureau of Elections and Antrim County will conduct a hand tally of all ballots cast in the presidential election there, he said.

Restating the facts is not......oh wait.
Yes it is!
Over and over and over in some cases.

WWSPD (or WWDTD?)

Actually Sydney Powell would pretend she was just kidding. Trump would never admit he was lying.

[bambino]

Originally Posted by VerySkeptical

Restating the facts is not......oh wait.
Yes it is!
Over and over and over in some cases.

WWSPD (or WWDTD?)

Actually Sydney Powell would pretend she was just kidding. Trump would never admit he was lying.

Facts? According to who Mr I’m not a skeptic. BTW, how’s Dominions lawsuits going so far?

[WTF]

Originally Posted by bambino

Dominion said.... your dunce cap fits perfectly!!!

I can not respond in kind because I can not afford any more points.

I can say that the nonsense you are parroting has been proven false.

There is no 68% error rate.

[WTF]

Originally Posted by bambino

Facts? According to who Mr I’m not a skeptic. BTW, how’s Dominions lawsuits going so far?

According to the Michigan Secretary of State....if you could read, you'd already known that;


Dominion said in a statement that there were no software glitches in Antrim County or anywhere else. The problems in the county were "isolated human errors not involving Dominion." Officials failed to update the programming in their tabulators after requiring changes to their ballot, the company said.

The clerk's staff in Antrim County did not update the media drives for all of the tabulators in the county, so some tabulators did not communicate properly with the county’s central election management system software, according to the Michigan Secretary of State's Office.

After discovering the error in reporting the unofficial results, the clerk's office worked to report correct unofficial results by reviewing the printed totals tape on each tabulator and hand-entering the results for each race, for each precinct in the county, the secretary of state's office previously said.