Planes now falling outta the sky under trumpf

[The_Waco_Kid]

Originally Posted by Precious_b

You *suspect* the same.

for once we agree and it's a double agree .. amazing yeah?


we agree it was pilot error and Trump wasn't the reason this happened.

[Precious_b]

Originally Posted by The_Waco_Kid

for once we agree and it's a double agree .. amazing yeah?


we agree it was pilot error and Trump wasn't the reason this happened.

Yup. Just like I said, you *suspect*.

[The_Waco_Kid]

Originally Posted by Precious_b

Yup. Just like I said, you *suspect*.

and so do you. pilot error.

[Tigbitties38]

Racial quotas?

Abolished programs and rejected people because of their race?

Prove there were self proclaimed racial quotas.
Prove anything you just said. We're waiting.

Since you're demanding proof on all these different subjects, you need to start supplying proof yourself.

Links?

Originally Posted by The_Waco_Kid

"The FAA consistently under Joe Biden had racial quotas .. and they abolished programs and universities that encouraged people who had either expertise through the curriculum or prior military experience who would do well on meritocratic exams to try to join the FAA and they were rejected because of their race"


thank you valued poster

[Tigbitties38]

Makes no difference how many agree on any guesses you make.
It's still nothing more than a guess.

Did you notice that?

Nothing more than a guess.

Originally Posted by The_Waco_Kid

for once we agree and it's a double agree .. amazing yeah?


we agree it was pilot error and Trump wasn't the reason this happened.

[Tigbitties38]

I know there hasn't been a crash in 16 years.

Proof about the black hawk story?

Originally Posted by The_Waco_Kid

there hasn't been a major airline accident in 15 years.


and there is this ...


Black Hawk helicopter had safety system turned off during Washington plane crash

https://www.yahoo.com/news/black-haw...220611247.html

[bb1961]

Originally Posted by Tigbitties38

Makes no difference how many agree on any guesses you make.
It's still nothing more than a guess.

Did you notice that?

Nothing more than a guess.

It was pilot/ATC error nothing mechanical caused the crash.
I've NEVER heard of a midair collision being a mechanical issue. ATC should have e NEVER authorized the Blackhawk to navigate with visual avoidance.
I don't understand how they ever authorized the conflict of any aircraft crossing the flight path of final approach...that's insane...the 100ft separation is something I've never heard of...that's a recipe for the disaster THAT HAPPENED!!
1000 foot minimum vertically separation is mandated by the FAA!!
All this I've stated is no guess.

[EdBeaver]

There was almost certainly pilot error involved but the NTSB will find something wrong with ATC also because they always do. It’s their job to spread the blame around.
The correct term is “visual separation” and it’s used thousands of times a day every day. The minimum separation between a VFR aircraft and an IFR aircraft in a terminal control area (TCA) is 500 feet. There is no specific number of feet for visual separation. The Black Hawk was supposed to pass behind the CRJ thus applying the rules of separation.

[Precious_b]

Originally Posted by The_Waco_Kid

and so do you. pilot error.

Yes. We both *suspect* such.

Originally Posted by EdBeaver

There was almost certainly pilot error involved but the NTSB will find something wrong with ATC also because they always do. It’s their job to spread the blame around.
The correct term is “visual separation” and it’s used thousands of times a day every day. The minimum separation between a VFR aircraft and an IFR aircraft in a terminal control area (TCA) is 500 feet. There is no specific number of feet for visual separation. The Black Hawk was supposed to pass behind the CRJ thus applying the rules of separation.

As you can tell Ed, there are those that are only gonna stick with hearsay. *I* also believe other factors played into this event. And *I* can sit and wait till the appropriate authorities make their findings known and not stir the pot to throw off blame from others.

[bb1961]

Originally Posted by EdBeaver

There was almost certainly pilot error involved but the NTSB will find something wrong with ATC also because they always do. It’s their job to spread the blame around.
The correct term is “visual separation” and it’s used thousands of times a day every day. The minimum separation between a VFR aircraft and an IFR aircraft in a terminal control area (TCA) is 500 feet. There is no specific number of feet for visual separation. The Black Hawk was supposed to pass behind the CRJ thus applying the rules of separation.

There was no way that the Blackhawk could have 500 separation they weren't high enough off the ground!!
Obviously they didn't have a visual because the crash would never have happened. Visual separation at night is considered very risky and seldom granted because of night vision perception and heavy traffic.

Do you know of any instance where any aircraft is going to past directly in the flight path of final approach at any airport??
It's not allowed

[EdBeaver]

I know all the rules. I don’t know if the Black Hawk was on the proper assigned course but I do know that they should have seen the CRJ if they were looking out the window. There’s a great chance that they had their “heads in cockpit” and not looking out the windows. If you’re passing behind another aircraft you can be at the same altitude. I agree that the routes the helicopters use are too close to the airport.

[bb1961]

What I said was no aircraft is allowed to cross in the flight path even behind the final approach at any airport why this airport??

[winn dixie]

Another avoidable crash in scotsdale Arizona
Trumpf still has no answers or concern

[RX792P]

Originally Posted by winn dixie

Another avoidable crash in scotsdale Arizona
Trumpf still has no answers or concern

Not sure if this one was avoidable. Certainly wasn't an ATC issue.

At around 2:30 p.m., Officials say a jet veered off the runway and crashed into another jet.

"A Learjet 35A veered off the runway after landing and crashed into a Gulfstream 200 business jet on the ramp at Scottsdale Municipal Airport in Arizona around 2:45 p.m. local time Monday, Feb. 10.

You can look at the video
https://www.azfamily.com/video/2025/...sdale-airport/

[Schwarzer Ritter]

How many near misses in the last four years....and what is the trend? At the risk of offending the moderator again, it takes three years to train an ATC.