208 Democrats Voted Against The Save Act, Requiring Proof of Citizenship to Vote. Why Do Democrats Want Non-Citizens To Vote?

[Why_Yes_I_Do]

Originally Posted by Yssup Rider

Dude, really?

So if someone doesn't like the links you provide (when you provide links), does that make them fools or ignorant hacks?...

I think it falls more in to the Lazy AF category. Do your own homework.

Originally Posted by Yssup Rider

...I don't trust either. But I trust BOTH more than some rando posting on Twitter or TrumpSocial.

So if some rando on the internets says 208 Democraps voted against the save Act and provided a URL; Just how painstakingly hard is that for you to look up on the internets all by yo selfs?!?

Imma just spit-balling here; but I would think that voting tabulations in congress would be a tracked and recorded thing.

[Yssup Rider]

How about telling the truth to begin with?

Or did this vote indicate that Democrats support noncitizens voting as claimed by the OP?

Look it up!

[Why_Yes_I_Do]

Originally Posted by Yssup Rider

...did this vote indicate that Democrats support noncitizens voting as claimed by the OP?...

They did not vote to stop it.

[Yssup Rider]

Not an answer

[Schwarzer Ritter]

Silence is violence...

[txdot-guy]

Originally Posted by Salty Again

... Glad to see us wonder back to the thread topic.

The Democrats obviously DO NOT want secure Federal elections.

#### Salty

Democrats believe that our elections are already secure. Further requirements will just gum up the works and make it harder for everyone to vote.

Your statement is a lie and an obvious piece of gaslighting.

[adav8s28]

Originally Posted by Tiny

Well Salty, I stand shoulder-to-shoulder with Senator Sanders in his desire to achieve a peaceful resolution of the wars in Ukraine and Gaza. And in many of his stands on civil liberties. Also I share his obsession with Alexandria Ocasio Cortez. Otherwise I think he sucks. And Elizabeth Warren is good for nothing. I wouldn't even bang her. And my standards are pretty low.




Actually adav8s28, I was thinking of Alexandria "Milton Keynes" Ocasio Cortez. Well, she may be an Airhead, but she's still my Sweetie! WD and I need to make that trip to D.C. to bang her and Nancy Pelosi pronto. Nancy's getting older, and we don't want to be banging a corpse!

Your standards are pretty low? Madison May is top tier talent. You hit the lotto with her.

AOC has a degree in Economics from a pretty good school. "Airhead" Palin, I am not sure what her degree is in. Plus, AOC is spot on with the Parliamentary procedures in Congress. She knows that as well as anyone else in Congress. Did you hear about the 12,000 people in Idaho that showed up to an AOC/Sanders
anti Trump/Musk rally? That is a good number of people for Idaho.

[Why_Yes_I_Do]

Originally Posted by txdot-guy

Democrats believe that our elections are already secure...

They are in Texas which, oddly enough, requires voter ID. Here's a map of the states that do NOT require voter ID. Coincidentally, these are States where Tim Walz won the VP contest in 2024.



I'm certain that this will come as a massive surprise to you; Most of those very same States are "sanctuary" states and/or cities. Here's a map to guide you.

But wait! There's more. Do you know what else they have in common?



That's a list of States that are launching all this lawfare against the US government executive branch via strategic judge shopping. Weird co-inky-dinky that they are also on the above two maps? I think not.

Least we not forget this random tie-in to a post in this here thread:

Originally Posted by Why_Yes_I_Do

Dis is how dey do it. They exploit cracks, flaws, backdoors and hidden pathways into and through the many systems. This is why the left hates DOGE and by extension Musk Man Bad.

Ironically, it's not partisan, as you see below. Though it does involve sharp folks that have a clue and ask questions (Gasp!), which may well be a reason for the Lefties to despise them, i.e. they can't comprehend it, because of how easy it is to ferret out that which was buried with so much care - IMMHO. Basically, They got caught with their hands in the till.

Billionaire and massive Democratic donor Antonio Gracias dedicated his time to fixing the Social Security Administration

And then the cross reference to voter roles and VIOLA!

Do the math, then tell us again those states have safe and secure elections.

I think you need the world's biggest gaslight EVAH to obfuscate all those coincidences.

[Tiny]

Originally Posted by txdot-guy

Interesting site. I’ll have to investigate further. But 98 cases over 23 years kind of supports my point. Do we really need to make it even harder to vote just to stop the rare cases of voter fraud?

An observation from the Heritage database Txdot. I noticed a lot of the cases are in North Carolina. In fact, 38 of the 98 are. Here's the number of criminal convictions and resolutions through pretrial diversion programs by year, just in North Carolina,

2022 2 cases
2021 12 cases
2020 0 cases
2019 6 cases
2018 14 cases
2016 3 cases
2003 1 case
Total 38 cases

The point -- the 98 cases is the tip of the growler. (Growler is the name for a small iceberg.) Perhaps if other states had enforced the law as strictly as North Carolina did in certain years, you'd have had hundreds of convictions every year for voting by ineligible foreign citizens. And how many people didn't get caught? Multiples more? An order of magnitude or two more?

Still, I agree, immigrants' votes aren't the difference in winning and losing elections.

Originally Posted by pxmcc

can you cite any criminal prosecutions of illegal aliens who voted, with the requisite mens rea?

That's a better excuse for legal immigrants pxmcc. As to undocumented immigrants, they'd have to be unwise, to put it mildly, to register to vote. That's not to say it doesn't happen. There could be hundreds of instances a year or more where illegals vote without knowing it's a crime.

Originally Posted by adav8s28

Your standards are pretty low? Madison May is top tier talent. You hit the lotto with her.

AOC has a degree in Economics from a pretty good school. "Airhead" Palin, I am not sure what her degree is in. Plus, AOC is spot on with the Parliamentary procedures in Congress. She knows that as well as anyone else in Congress. Did you hear about the 12,000 people in Idaho that showed up to an AOC/Sanders
anti Trump/Musk rally? That is a good number of people for Idaho.

And actually adav8s28, I wholeheartedly agree with the first part of your post, about Madison, and wholeheartedly disagree about my honey AOC. However, I'm trying to avoid the vigilant eye of biomed, about going off topic, so am tacking this reply onto the bottom of my post.

Yes, AOC has a degree in economics. She's famous for confusing Milton Keynes, a city in England, with two of the greatest economists of all time, Milton Friedman and John Maynard Keynes. And she also appeared to confuse Friedman and Keynes:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...work-week.html

And AOC's a fan of Modern Monetary Theory, which is bull shit. That's what Larry Summers, Paul Krugman and Texas Contrarian believe anyway. Now, if you want to put her head to head in a match up with Sarah Palin, as to who's the smartest, I'd say you just might be a fan of turtle racing and midget wrestling. Because the Good Lord didn't endow either with a lot of brains.

[Tiny]

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[Schwarzer Ritter]

Originally Posted by txdot-guy

Democrats believe that our elections are already secure. Further requirements will just gum up the works and make it harder for everyone to vote.

Your statement is a lie and an obvious piece of gaslighting.

Didn't Hillary say that the 2016 election was stolen and Stacie Abrams, lets ask Al Gore Jr.,and they're saying that 2024 was stolen. Very convenient that the dems forget when their butts got hurt by the electorate.

How ever we will never really be sure until we tightened up our election security to the level of getting into Disney World.

[Schwarzer Ritter]

Originally Posted by Tiny

An observation from the Heritage database Txdot. I noticed a lot of the cases are in North Carolina. In fact, 38 of the 98 are. Here's the number of criminal convictions and resolutions through pretrial diversion programs by year, just in North Carolina,

2022 2 cases
2021 12 cases
2020 0 cases
2019 6 cases
2018 14 cases
2016 3 cases
2003 1 case
Total 38 cases

The point -- the 98 cases is the tip of the growler. (Growler is the name for a small iceberg.) Perhaps if other states had enforced the law as strictly as North Carolina did in certain years, you'd have had hundreds of convictions every year for voting by ineligible foreign citizens. And how many people didn't get caught? Multiples more? An order of magnitude or two more?

Still, I agree, immigrants' votes aren't the difference in winning and losing elections.




That's a better excuse for legal immigrants pxmcc. As to undocumented immigrants, they'd have to be unwise, to put it mildly, to register to vote. That's not to say it doesn't happen. There could be hundreds of instances a year or more where illegals vote without knowing it's a crime.



And actually adav8s28, I wholeheartedly agree with the first part of your post, about Madison, and wholeheartedly disagree about my honey AOC. However, I'm trying to avoid the vigilant eye of biomed, about going off topic, so am tacking this reply onto the bottom of my post.

Yes, AOC has a degree in economics. She's famous for confusing Milton Keynes, a city in England, with two of the greatest economists of all time, Milton Friedman and John Maynard Keynes. And she also appeared to confuse Friedman and Keynes:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...work-week.html

And AOC's a fan of Modern Monetary Theory, which is bull shit. That's what Larry Summers, Paul Krugman and Texas Contrarian believe anyway. Now, if you want to put her head to head in a match up with Sarah Palin, as to who's the smartest, I'd say you just might be a fan of turtle racing and midget wrestling. Because the Good Lord didn't endow either with a lot of brains.

I think that any election decided by 1% or less is subject to tampering. Also, how about electoral coverage based on population. 15 million illegal aliens can swing 20 electoral votes. California will lose (at this time) 4 congressional seats. How many more would they lose if they didn't count millions of illegals?

[Salty Again]

Originally Posted by Schwarzer Ritter

Didn't Hillary say that the 2016 election was stolen and Stacie Abrams, lets ask Al Gore Jr.,and they're saying that 2024 was stolen. Very convenient that the dems forget when their butts got hurt by the electorate.

How ever we will never really be sure until we tightened up our election security to the level of getting into Disney World.

... Too right! ... IF you can show ID at other places
- you can show ID when voting. ... Pass The Save Act!

#### Salty

[Yssup Rider]

Of course you believe in that. Unless it's a MAGA landslide, it's gotta be rigged!

Like txdot said, we believe (as do the nation's judiciary) that our elections are already safe and secure. The bellyaching began and will end with Trumpler.


LOLLING!

[Salty Again]

Originally Posted by Yssup Rider

Of course you believe in that. Unless it's a MAGA landslide, it's gotta be rigged!

Like txdot said, we believe (as do the nation's judiciary) that our elections are already safe and secure. The bellyaching began and will end with Trumpler.


LOLLING!

... But the American PEOPLE don't see things the way
that YOU do, mate. ... They WANT Voter ID. ...

#### Salty