Repuke Platform bans abortion....no exception for rape or incest

[Old-T]

Originally Posted by CuteOldGuy

We're on the same side here, and you still want to pick a fight with me. Not happening. Have a nice day.

Originally Posted by WTF

Old-t, I thing COG was saying that women should have a choice. I hate defending the old shit stirring bastard but he ain't all bad.

Originally Posted by Doove

While i don't think he was going anywhere near the idea of forced abortion, given his posting history, i can see how you could easily come to the conclusion that he was.

[CuteOldGuy]

It is very inconsistent to say that abortion is murder except in the case of rape or incest. If abortion is the murder of a person, and life is determined to begin at conception, then abortion is murder in any and all cases, including the disposal of fertilized eggs in a petri dish.

So when does life begin? I don't know. That's why I think that before a fetus is viable, the choice needs to made by the woman involved, her faith, if any, and the people she trusts.

[Whirlaway]

Viability of the fetus doesn't solve the problem; there will be the fanatics like Obama who think it is ok to kill any baby that a mother doesn't want (for any reason).

That is what partial birth abortion is............Obama and the Democrats support it. It is monsterous public policy.

The current Democratic Party Platform says so.

[Old-T]

Originally Posted by Whirlaway

Viability of the fetus doesn't solve the problem; there will be the fanatics like Obama who think it is ok to kill any baby that a mother doesn't want (for any reason).

That is what partial birth abortion is............Obama and the Democrats support it. It is monsterous public policy.

The current Democratic Party Platform says so.

Be honest, there are fanatics on both ends of the spectrum on this issue.

And because we have no idea how to "prove" the right answer then wherever we define it there will be people who honestly and moraly believe we defined it in the wrong place.

[Whirlaway]

It is a better human being who is fanatical in protecting a life than one who is finantical in the destruction of a life.......

[Old-T]

Originally Posted by Whirlaway

It is a better human being who is fanatical in protecting a life than one who is finantical in the destruction of a life.......

You are a prime example of why this issue will divide us for a long time.

It all depends upon when you believe human life begins. I am not saying your definition is wrong, but your arguments (as WTF points out) are logically inconsistent--and an inconsistent fanatic is a dangerous thing.

Most terrorists--domestic and foreign--are logically inconsistent fanatics.

[Whirlaway]

How am I being inconsistent?

WTF hasn't shown shit.

Originally Posted by Old-T

You are a prime example of why this issue will divide us for a long time.

It all depends upon when you believe human life begins. I am not saying your definition is wrong, but your arguments (as WTF points out) are logically inconsistent--and an inconsistent fanatic is a dangerous thing.

Most terrorists--domestic and foreign--are logically inconsistent fanatics.

[CuteOldGuy]

I disagree with Obama on late-term abortions for any reason. If the child can be born alive, and can stay alive, without harming the mother, then the child should be given the chance to live. But if it is a question whether the either the mother or the child will die if the child is born, I still think it is up to the woman. Some will choose their child's life over their own, and their choice should be respected.

But I think the accusation that Obama supports infanticide is an exaggeration. He explained why he voted on that particular bill the way he did. And his explanation does not suggest he supported infanticide, or post-birth abortion.

[I B Hankering]

Originally Posted by CuteOldGuy

I disagree with Obama on late-term abortions for any reason. If the child can be born alive, and can stay alive, without harming the mother, then the child should be given the chance to live. But if it is a question whether the either the mother or the child will die if the child is born, I still think it is up to the woman. Some will choose their child's life over their own, and their choice should be respected.

But I think the accusation that Obama supports infanticide is an exaggeration. He explained why he voted on that particular bill the way he did. And his explanation does not suggest he supported infanticide, or post-birth abortion.

Illinois Bill SB 1082 met every precondition set by Odumbo, and yet Odumbo voted against protecting the life of a child. Odumbo's explanation justifying his vote was nothing more than another dissembling lie cataloged with so many other lies for which he is now famous.

[CuteOldGuy]

Well, I've read all the stuff on it that I care to, and you could be right, IB. I don't need any more reasons to want Obama out of office, so I'm willing to take him at face value on this one. But the odds of him lying are near 100% on most any issue, so I will grant you that.

[WTF]

Originally Posted by Whirlaway

It is a better human being who is fanatical in protecting a life than one who is finantical in the destruction of a life.......

Is in vetro fertilization murder?

Are Mitt Romney's children murders in your mind.

[WTF]

Originally Posted by CuteOldGuy

But I think the accusation that Obama supports infanticide is an exaggeration. He explained why he voted on that particular bill the way he did. And his explanation does not suggest he supported infanticide, or post-birth abortion.

No amount of facts will sway the haters, just like no amount of questions will have them answer if they believe in vetro fertilization is murder.

It exposes their hypocrisy.

[Whirlaway]

What is important is Obama and the Democratic Party think of Infanticide.......they support it !

What any single person thinks, especially someone who has no Power to change policy, is inconsequential and gorilla dust to deflect attention away from the primary issue.

OBAMA AND THE EXTREME OF THE DEMOCRATS SUPPORT THE MURDER OF CHILDREN THAT ARE VIABLE.

[Doove]

Originally Posted by I B Hankering

Illinois Bill SB 1082 met every precondition set by Odumbo,

Did he have the precondition that there not already exist a bill addressing the very issue in the new bill?

[pyramider]

What happened to the idea that it is the woman's body and she can make her own decisions about her body?