Donations BEFORE or AFTER The Session..

[planojim]

When doing an incall, I ALWAYS pay by up by laying it on a counter/night stand front of the provider after I've been greeted at the door and the door is shut.
If a provider visiting me I have the donation with tip in a dish next to the door within clear visibility of her when she arrives.
That way the 'business' has been taken care of...and we can get down to 'BUSINESS'.

Originally Posted by Bliss of DFW

I don't ask for the donation up front but because I've never had an issue, I treat the visit like most Coorporate American buisnesses where I provide the service first then handle the transaction at the end. But if I start running into problems, then I may have to change it up.

[snoozer]

if i have to donate up front, no problem, but also no tip. I'm not reaching into my wallet twice unless something awesome happens.

[Nina the Dicknapper]

Originally Posted by snoozer

if i have to donate up front, no problem, but also no tip. I'm not reaching into my wallet twice unless something awesome happens.

Tip or No Tip works for me. Tips are appreciated but not mandatory. No hard feelings either way

[LustyBustyGina38FF]

Up Front all the way ... nothing like laying thinking is he going put the down
In the back of my mine the whole time he's there why should I have to be thinking this
when I should have all my thoughts on him having the best time of his life !!
and we should not have to ask for it

[bojulay]

Originally Posted by LustyBustyGina38FF

Up Front all the way ... nothing like laying thinking is he going put the down
In the back of my mine the whole time he's there why should I have to be thinking this
when I should have all my thoughts on him having the best time of his life !!
and we should not have to ask for it

I always go a step further and tell her to check it and make sure it is correct
while I clean up. Doesn't take anything away from the experience for me
and helps establish trust right from the beginning.

Oh well, with some guys it's like trying to teach a pet rock to swim.

I also though never see someone that I would be wondering about.
If you are seeing a lady you are wondering about, that is a good
indication you have picked the wrong one.

[berkleigh]

The DONATION should be placed down within minutes of arriving in plain site of you.

You can check in when he excuses himself to freshen up or get comfortable.

This has worked for me and is simple and discreet.

No words or hands exchanged.

Some leave it on the island counter upon entering my Incall, the bathroom counter or next to the nightstand.


Simple as that.

[Guest110416]

EVERY time that I have paid the donation first before the session was to begin, I have been burned, so you know what my opinion is. Since I virtually see all providers that have a p411 account, and I set through the site, if I do not pay and leave, they can put an alert out on me & turn me in to Gina. Those times I am talking about, I have turned them in and I think one was kicked, probably for an accumulation of other reasons as well, another has my review as her only review link in her profile and it was obviously a "no" recommendation.

[anita]

I almost always get it after, without having to ask. Yes, I can see how it can bite me in the ass. But really, I screen the guy, we meet, he's nice and conversation is naturally flowing I'll just go with the flow. Some gents give it to me in the beginning without me asking.

I mean... Aren't there guys stealing their donations back... If the guy doesn't want to pay that bad, is asking for donation upfront really preventing you getting ripped off?

[Nina the Dicknapper]

Originally Posted by anita

I almost always get it after, without having to ask. Yes, I can see how it can bite me in the ass. But really, I screen the guy, we meet, he's nice and conversation is naturally flowing I'll just go with the flow. Some gents give it to me in the beginning without me asking.

I mean... Aren't there guys stealing their donations back... If the guy doesn't want to pay that bad, is asking for donation upfront really preventing you getting ripped off?

My opinion its easier to get ripped off without getting your donations first. He can always walk out or play the let me go to the atm logo.Once I have my donations, ain't no way in hell he gone "snatch it back" . no no no not in my house.

[Nina the Dicknapper]

Originally Posted by davidfree986

EVERY time that I have paid the donation first before the session was to begin, I have been burned, so you know what my opinion is. Since I virtually see all providers that have a p411 account, and I set through the site, if I do not pay and leave, they can put an alert out on me & turn me in to Gina. Those times I am talking about, I have turned them in and I think one was kicked, probably for an accumulation of other reasons as well, another has my review as her only review link in her profile and it was obviously a "no" recommendation.

You've been messing with the wrong ladies if you ask me. If your ACTUALLY screening and looking for the right ladies, you wouldn't have got burnt in the first place. U put yourself in that situation. Those ladies didn't call u , you called them.

[Nina the Dicknapper]

Originally Posted by berkleigh

The DONATION should be placed down within minutes of arriving in plain site of you.

You can check in when he excuses himself to freshen up or get comfortable.

This has worked for me and is simple and discreet.

No words or hands exchanged.

Some leave it on the island counter upon entering my Incall, the bathroom counter or next to the nightstand.


Simple as that.

Very Nicely Said!

[Guest110416]

Originally Posted by Nina_Love

You've been messing with the wrong ladies if you ask me. If your ACTUALLY screening and looking for the right ladies, you wouldn't have got burnt in the first place. U put yourself in that situation. Those ladies didn't call u , you called them.

You may be right about the wrong ladies and the same can be said about your screening of the guys you see and having to get the money up front from them. Afraid they may burn you? well, if you ACTUALLY screened him thoroughly, then you would have very little to worry about him, not only fucking you out of your money, but also disrespecting you BCD.

To be honest, even the best screening methods are not foolproof, so to sit there and say that someone got burned is their fault is ludicrous. Even after taking every precaution to stay safe, you can still get burned, and that is on both sides of the proverbial fence, that is just the nature of the business, so really, all you can do when it happens is report it and move on.

The reason for my opinion to pay after is a precaution that I am not going to get burned by the provider not performing, and since it has happened to me, not just on one, but several occasions, I will never prepay again. There are valid arguments on both sides, but mine is this: let's say a hobbyist does not prepay, then, in his opinion, the provider does an outstanding service and he does not pay her at all and leaves. If he really did enjoy his time, he would probably like to see her again in the future, but since he stiffed her (no pun intended), then obviously that is not going to happen, so it does not make sense to not pay the provider as finding a provider who consistently performs her BCD services at a high level, and sometimes even once, is really tough and a pretty rare find, so why would a normal guy want to screw that up?

IMO, the providers who demand prepayment before services rendered (if they even do anything to begin with) are more than likely the ones that at the very most from the hobbyist's perspective, underwhelm, knowing that if she does not get her full fee upfront, then she may not get it later. Although that position of paying for the services rendered would be understandable given the situation, it is not right, a provider should always get her full fee, but if that customer is not satisfied, report it in a review and not see her again. But, what is also not right is the provider can and many times is YMMV on her services just because, while the hobbyist cannot be YMMV on the donation.

To sum it up, legit and valid arguments can be made for and against prepaying. Other than what berkleigh said, there is no perfect answer that will make both parties happy.

Originally Posted by Nina_Love

My opinion its easier to get ripped off without getting your donations first. He can always walk out or play the let me go to the atm logo.Once I have my donations, ain't no way in hell he gone "snatch it back" . no no no not in my house.

There would be no reason for a normal hobbyist to snatch that donation back UNLESS you decided that since you already have the money, you do not perform, and cash & dash happens more than you think, as does the guys that do not pay or short her. You just never know.

[Nina the Dicknapper]

Originally Posted by davidfree986

You may be right about the wrong ladies and the same can be said about your screening of the guys you see and having to get the money up front from them. Afraid they may burn you? well, if you ACTUALLY screened him thoroughly, then you would have very little to worry about him, not only fucking you out of your money, but also disrespecting you BCD.

To be honest, even the best screening methods are not foolproof, so to sit there and say that someone got burned is their fault is ludicrous. Even after taking every precaution to stay safe, you can still get burned, and that is on both sides of the proverbial fence, that is just the nature of the business, so all you can do when it happens is report it and move on.

So the reason for my opinion to pay after is a precaution that I am not going to get burned by the provider not performing, and since it has happened to me, not just on one, but several occasions, I will never prepay again. There are valid arguments on both sides, but mine is this: let's say a hobbyist does not prepay, then that in his opinion, the provider does an outstanding service and he does not pay her at all and leaves. If he really did enjoy his time, he would probably like to see her again in the future, but since he stiffed her (no pun intended), then obviously that is not going to happen, so it does not make sense to not pay the provider.



There would be no reason for a normal hobbyist to snatch that donation back UNLESS you decided that since you already have the money, you do not perform, and that happens more than you think, as does the guys that do not pay or short that choose to pay after. You just never know.

Well u dont have worry bout me not preforming. I show out every session. & let me clear this up. I dont get my donations first because I been burnt before I just do it just because I haven't had a problem with it. How I like to think of it "My Pussy, My Rules" logo & it is your fault u got burnt. I never got ripped out of donations before? (Maybe reviews but DEFINITELY NOT donations ever ever ever ever) Maybe your doing something wrong because not ALL providers bullshit in there session & not ALL hobbyist like to play the provider.

[Eva Damita]

Originally Posted by Nina_Love

You've been messing with the wrong ladies if you ask me. If your ACTUALLY screening and looking for the right ladies, you wouldn't have got burnt in the first place. U put yourself in that situation. Those ladies didn't call u , you called them.

Preeeeeach!

[Guest110416]

Originally Posted by Nina_Love

Well u dont have worry bout me not preforming. I show out every session. & let me clear this up. I dont get my donations first because I been burnt before I just do it just because I haven't had a problem with it. How I like to think of it "My Pussy, My Rules" logo & it is your fault u got burnt. I never got ripped out of donations before? (Maybe reviews but DEFINITELY NOT donations ever ever ever ever) Maybe your doing something wrong because not ALL providers bullshit in there session & not ALL hobbyist like to play the provider.

I do not have to worry about you performing (bringing you A game to every session)? Well, that is like going to a strip club and one of the dancers sits with you, and then suggests a lap dance, when you are not sure or say no, then she says, "I am very good and do not have any complaints". What else would you say? ALL providers can talk a good game cuz they want that money, but not ALL can or refuse to perform well when it comes to BCD activities. History shows that is a well documented fact!

So is it my fault that after research, I set an appointment with a provider, get ready, drive all the way across town (at least 45 minutes one way) and after I get to the area I was told to drive to, she goes radio silent on me? Is it my fault after contacting and she sets an appointment, again wanting that money, but knowing full well that their personal problems or whatever else will negatively effect they way they do a session? Give me a break!

I never said ALL providers bullshit nor ALL hobbyists play providers. I think you and I need to agree to disagree.