This is what concerns me: long term damage from the Vaxx.

[adav8s28]

Originally Posted by SpeedRacerXXX

The Delta variant is more virulent but there is no proof it is LESS deadly than the other strains.

On July 5 the 7-day average of deaths attributed to COVID was 214, Today that number is 651 and increasing day-to-day. This is far less than the peak back in January (3,263) but all reported data shows that the unvaccinated are making up almost all of the deaths.

Today when I go to the gym I am not required to wear a mask as I was earlier in the year. If they decide to go back to requiring a mask, I will do so. Each day more and more companies are requiring vaccinations in order to come to work. More and more school districts are requiring masks. Each company or school district is making decisions that they deem to be in the best interest of those that enter their doors. I find wearing a mask to be such a minor inconvenience in life.

The precautions taken in this country are at most equal to and many times less than those taken in other countries around the world.

+1

Good post Speedracer.

[texassapper]

Originally Posted by SpeedRacerXXX

The Delta variant is more virulent but there is no proof it is LESS deadly than the other strains.

You are Wrong.

Link to tweet of British studies of the Delta Variant...

Nothing else you wrote is worth responding to since you are wrong on the basic facts. Essentially the CFR is the equivalent of the Flu...

Ask why the CDC isn't publishing the basic facts in an easy to consume fashion. Because they WANT you scared. They WANT you to pressure the unvaxxed to take their shots. The question ought to be... why?

[SpeedRacerXXX]

Originally Posted by texassapper

You are Wrong.

Link to tweet of British studies of the Delta Variant...

Nothing else you wrote is worth responding to since you are wrong on the basic facts. Essentially the CFR is the equivalent of the Flu...

Ask why the CDC isn't publishing the basic facts in an easy to consume fashion. Because they WANT you scared. They WANT you to pressure the unvaxxed to take their shots. The question ought to be... why?

That data is 2 months old!!!

The Delta variant spreads more easily than other COVID strains. Every bit of evidence confirms that statement. At this point in time it is unknown whether it is as deadly as other forms of COVID.

"While studies have suggested the Delta variant might cause more severe disease than other variants of COVID, it's hard to specify mortality figures, scientists have told Newsweek."

https://www.newsweek.com/covid-delta...so-far-1618350

The Delta Variant Will Drive A Steep Rise In U.S. COVID Deaths, A New Model Shows

The current COVID-19 surge in the U.S. — fueled by the highly contagious delta variant — will steadily accelerate through the summer and fall, peaking in mid-October, with daily deaths more than triple what they are now.

https://www.npr.org/sections/health-...hs-model-shows

We do know that approximatly 80% of the new cases of COVID are the Delta variant. We do know that COVID deaths have been increasing day-to-day, week-to-week. Predictions of what may happen in the near future are up for debate.

Yes, people are being pressured to get vaccinated because those that are having to be hospitalized and are dying are people who are almost all unvaccinated.

[oeb11]

Originally Posted by eccieuser9500

You have to look at it his way Tiny.

95 and zeros makes it clear the worship of teh castro/guevara mass murderers
I wonder why there is such attraction by DPSTs to such murderous 'Pretty boys"???

[oeb11]

Originally Posted by SpeedRacerXXX

The Delta variant is more virulent but there is no proof it is LESS deadly than the other strains.

On July 5 the 7-day average of deaths attributed to COVID was 214, Today that number is 651 and increasing day-to-day. This is far less than the peak back in January (3,263) but all reported data shows that the unvaccinated are making up almost all of the deaths.

Today when I go to the gym I am not required to wear a mask as I was earlier in the year. If they decide to go back to requiring a mask, I will do so. Each day more and more companies are requiring vaccinations in order to come to work. More and more school districts are requiring masks. Each company or school district is making decisions that they deem to be in the best interest of those that enter their doors. I find wearing a mask to be such a minor inconvenience in life.

The precautions taken in this country are at most equal to and many times less than those taken in other countries around the world.

Let us be careful about terms - although SR is basically correct in the post

Virulence -

What is the virulence of a disease?

Virulence is the relative ability of an infectious agent to cause disease. Thus virulent viruses have a greater propensity to cause disease (to be pathogens) in a greater proportion of infected hosts. Virulence determinants or factors are those genes and proteins that play key roles in disease development.

Virulence is a pathogen's or microorganism's ability to cause damage to a host. In most contexts, especially in animal systems, virulence refers to the degree of damage caused by a microbe to its host. The pathogenicity of an organism—its ability to cause disease—is determined by its virulence factors.


https://www.livescience.com/coronavi...-severity.html

How deadly is the coronavirus delta variant?

By Rachael Rettner - Senior Writer 2 days ago
Although this variant is more transmissible, whether it causes more severe disease and death is still unclear.




Comment -it may well be that the 'infectivity' or 'transmissibility' of teh Delta variant is higher - but the

rate of causation of severe disease /mortality remains to be seen - and at this time - there is not a 'large difference' between teh variants on that criteria.

[texassapper]

Originally Posted by SpeedRacerXXX

That data is 2 months old!!!.

you said there was no data. I showed you the data now you claim it’s too old. You’re wrong and now you’ve moved the goal post.

And you wonder why we don’t believe.

🤦♂️

[SpeedRacerXXX]

Originally Posted by texassapper

you said there was no data. I showed you the data now you claim it’s too old. You’re wrong and now you’ve moved the goal post.

And you wonder why we don’t believe.

��♂️

If you want to slam me for saying NO data existed then you are correct in doing so. Data taken from 2 months ago is irrelevant today. I miss a study done in the U.K months ago and you immediately disregard the FACTS I present. Very typical.

Right now it is inconclusive whether or not the Delta variant is more, less, or equal in causing death than previous variants.

You seem to disregard the FACTS presented to you about the virus. Hospitalizations and deaths are up dramatically in the past few weeks and 80% of those are due to the Delta variant. And those being hospitalized and dying are almost all unvaccinated.

The highly contagious variant of COVID-19 is considered at least two times more contagious than the previously dominant alpha strain, and experts say the increased transmissibility has likely fueled the surge in COVID-19 cases, hospitalizations and deaths nationwide.

But much is still unknown about delta as scientists scramble to better understand the strain.

Recent studies have indicated that vaccines may see a very slight dip in effectiveness against symptomatic versions of the coronavirus caused by the delta variant. The COVID-19 vaccines, like any other, are also not perfect at preventing all delta infection and illness.

But scientists agree that studies have demonstrated that the vaccinated population is less likely to get infected and much less likely to be hospitalized or die from the delta variant than the unvaccinated.

“The only reason our case numbers are lower now than they were back in December is because half of our population has been fully vaccinated,” Dowdy said.


https://thehill.com/policy/healthcar...ok-over-the-us

The vaccines work. If you or anyone else chooses to remain unvaccinated that is your choice. There are more than 600,000 people in this country alone who wish they had had the vaccine available to them.

[Grace Preston]

Generally speaking-- despite what the movies tell you about mutations... when a virus mutates-- it generally becomes more easily spread, but not quite as deadly-- the point of a viral mutation is singular.... increase the hosts. That's done by easier spreadability-- and not killing the host. Its pretty rare for that pattern to not be followed. Yes, I expect deaths to be higher at the moment than a couple months ago-- but we're not going to see deaths hit the same highs we saw last year.

[texassapper]

Originally Posted by SpeedRacerXXX

If you want to slam me for saying NO data existed then you are correct in doing so. Data taken from 2 months ago is irrelevant today.

The highly contagious variant of COVID-19 is considered at least two times more contagious than the previously dominant alpha strain, and experts say the increased transmissibility has likely fueled the surge in COVID-19 cases, hospitalizations and deaths nationwide.

Slam you? No I simply stated you were wrong. There is data. That data is just as valid today as when it was collected.

I will slam you as a fucktard because you apparently don't understand what the word contagious means. (I'll let you google it yourself)

YES.... MORE CONTAGIOUS, LESS DEADLY..... EXACTLY WHAT I WROTE THE FIRST TIME.

You claim there was no evidence, I presented it, and you say it's not relevant because FUCK YOU THATS WHY.

That's why everyone is in a kerfuffle about CASES now and not DEATHS... because the CDC KNOWS it's less deadly but that won't get dumbshits to mask up and get vaxxed.

FOLLOW THE SCIENCE YOU FCUKING TWIT. It's NOT HARD TO DO.

[Chung Tran]

Originally Posted by oeb11

CT - Horseshit BS regarding worldwide distributioin of vaccine
There are many countries sadly short of vaccine - while we talk about third boosters.

shame on You for you own politically motivated selfishness!

Shame on you for deliberately taking me out of context, to take a cheap shot, violin-playing non sequitar regarding worldwide distribution. You know fucking well I said the US has plenty of vaccines, that Rand Paul is making excuses to avoid. Go suck his dick.

[oeb11]

Your Complaints are valueless and groundless - CT
You are defending DPST narrative and Hate.



Nonsense
denial - Deflection - Obstruction


Not to mention - selfish hoarding of vaccine doses - to ensure more lockdowns and restriction of freedoms by your 'loving Nomenklatura' - which will be quick to put You - CT - up against a wall for teh slightest infraction of ideology



Your heroes -


as far as your instruction on what to do - go get some professional Help
and remember - Yours is supposedly the party of tolerance and inclusion of 'Gays" - so ACT LIKE IT =- CT!

[Chung Tran]

You are the deflector. Deliberately lying about my post to further your obsession with Communism. Only a conspiratorial Freak changes my remark about plenty of vaccines, to hijack it towards Communist ideology. You are that Freak.

[oeb11]

Heroes of teh DPST party - just ask 95 and zeroes.

[Tiny]

Originally Posted by SpeedRacerXXX

The Delta variant is more virulent but there is no proof it is LESS deadly than the other strains.

On July 5 the 7-day average of deaths attributed to COVID was 214, Today that number is 651 and increasing day-to-day. This is far less than the peak back in January (3,263) but all reported data shows that the unvaccinated are making up almost all of the deaths.

Yes, just plain old common sense would make you question how the Delta variant could be less virulent.

I haven't looked at the data behind Texassapper's chart, but if it's correct, would point out that

(a) A lot of people were vaccinated in Britain between the time the Alpha variant predominated and when the Delta variant took over. So you'd expect case fatality ratio to be lower just because more people were vaccinated. Vaccination provides much more protection against severe disease and death from the Delta variant, than protection from getting infected.

(b) Older people have gotten vaccinated at much higher rates than younger people. So the people getting infected by the Delta variant are a younger crowd, less prone to die from COVID.

(c) There are people infected with the Delta variant now who will die from COVID in the future. Not so much with Alpha, which has run its course.

(d) I wonder if testing is much more available now in Britain than it was when the Alpha variant was running rampant? If so, the case fatality rate for Delta would be lower, because you're identifying more people with mild symptoms and the asymptomatic.

Here are a couple of studies that would indicate the Delta variant is more virulent,

Canadian Study:

Compared to non-VOC SARS-CoV-2 strains, the adjusted elevation in risk associated with N501Y-positive variants was 59% (49-69%) for hospitalization; 105% (82-134%) for ICU admission; and 61% (40-87%) for death. Increases with Delta variant were more pronounced: 120% (93-153%) for hospitalization; 287% (198-399%) for ICU admission; and 137% (50-230%) for death.

(Tiny's note: The N501Y mutation is found in Alpha, Beta and Gamma variants, not Delta.)

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1....05.21260050v2

Scottish Study:

Risk of COVID-19 hospital admission was approximately doubled in those with the Delta VOC when compared to the Alpha VOC

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/l...358-1/fulltext

[oeb11]

Tiny - thank you for thoughtful contributions!