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[jbravo_123]

Originally Posted by oilfieldscum

But what about the color?

As has been previously stated, Red Ones Go Faster.

An addendum to this is "da red wunz go fasta!"

Originally Posted by http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ork_(Warhammer_40,000)#Weapons

In the same way, the generalized Ork belief that vehicles or aircraft painted or otherwise colored red have higher top speeds than those painted or colored otherwise ('da red wunz go fasta!') actually results in measurably higher top speeds for Ork vehicles painted red.

It's just plain science.

Originally Posted by oilfieldscum

Actually spoilers increase drag as do fins.

When travelling through fluids or gases, the speed of the substance you're passing through affects how much pressure it exerts on your vehicle (ie, the Bernoulli Effect, as WU pointed out). Because of the steep angle of a lot of sports cars, you can get a split airflow coming off the back rear roof to the trunk area, which causes instability & drag because of the low pressure area you've just created on the back of your car. Rear spoilers & wings try to relieve this by essentially creating a longer, smoother line for the air as it flows past your car.

[Don T. Lukbak]

Y'all lost me on the angle of the dangle suggests the mass of the ass or did I dream that?

Can we agree on anything here? If Brooke had got busted for hooking we'd all be intoning screen, screen, screen...nodding our heads all in a row in our pews.

But she got busted for street racing. What else can be usefully said than good luck, old girl, and......when you get out ... slow the fuck down on the public roads! You got better sense than for there to be a damn next time.

[oilfieldscum]

Originally Posted by Wakeuр

Not necessarily true...the only purpose of a spoiler is to reduce overall drag and instability on a particular vehicle by modifying the forces derived from Bernoulli effects on the body...

Originally Posted by jbravo_123

As has been previously stated, Red Ones Go Faster.

An addendum to this is "da red wunz go fasta!"



It's just plain science.



When travelling through fluids or gases, the speed of the substance you're passing through affects how much pressure it exerts on your vehicle (ie, the Bernoulli Effect, as WU pointed out). Because of the steep angle of a lot of sports cars, you can get a split airflow coming off the back rear roof to the trunk area, which causes instability & drag because of the low pressure area you've just created on the back of your car. Rear spoilers & wings try to relieve this by essentially creating a longer, smoother line for the air as it flows past your car.

You guys have been reading Wikipedia a little too much. It matters whether you are talking about a fromt or rear spoiler, how big it is, what it's mounted on, and how fast it's going.

[jbravo_123]

Originally Posted by oilfieldscum

You guys have been reading Wikipedia a little too much. It matters whether you are talking about a fromt or rear spoiler, how big it is, what it's mounted on, and how fast it's going.

I'm not hearing any disagreement that red makes it go faster.

[DEAR_JOHN]

Originally Posted by oilfieldscum

You guys have been reading Wikipedia a little too much. It matters whether you are talking about a fromt or rear spoiler, how big it is, what it's mounted on, and how fast it's going.

Yep.

During the cooler months of the year I'm taking my car to the track (Houston Raceway, Sealy, and Evadale) a lot of times. 99% of the daily drivers and most cars running the quarter mile aren't powerful enough for fins/spoilers to work. Most fins/spoilers on cars such at the exotics may have an effect if you're driving on the autobahn, but not driving from Houston to San Antonio running 75 mph.

Guys tend to spend money on bolt ons (headers, torque converters, shifters, drag radials or slicks, different exhaust, different gear ratios, suspension parts, cold air intakes), and forced induction (superchargers and turbochargers), but rarely do you ever read (on different car forums) about people spending money of spoilers, unless it's for looks.

Yes, for a Ferrari or Porsche running the autobahn a spoiler may come into play, but for stock fast American cars such as the Mustang GT, Corvette, Camaro, Shelby, Challenger running the quarter (105-120 mph), the spoiler won't come into play.

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Back to BW for a minute. First of all, if she hasn't learned her lesson through law enforcement, what makes anybody think they will shame her by posting on a hobby board? A lot of people are piling on, but it won't do any good. If a bunch of tickets and a suspended license haven't done any good yet what make anybody think they have that much 'pull' with her.

Unless she's going to the slammer for different reasons....................... .......which after reading her posts, my gut feeling is that her street racing story is very thin.

[Wakeup]

:facepalm:

Surrounded I tell you...absolutely surrounded...

Spoilers and fins outside the atmosphere do nothing to increase speed, they do exactly the opposite in fact.

Spoilers mounted on cars increase speed by reducing drag on a given body style. If you're arguing that an incorrectly mounted spoiler just increases drag, I'll agree, any idiot can mount a spoiler sideways to their door and do nothing but add drag, but assuming its correctly designed and mounted, a spoiler increases speed, assuming a constant power. Period. End of story. Can you invent a situation where that is incorrect, sure. Driving 30 mph with a 50 mph tailwind, the spoiler won't do anything but add drag. But let's not be idiotic about it. The sole purpose of a spoiler, front or back, correctly mounted and designed, is to increase speed in the atmosphere by reducing drag.

The reason backyard racers don't spend money on them is because the speed increase is so infinitesimally small as to not be worth any expense. That does not mean that they have zero effect. The only reason we see them on passenger cars is because they look cool, and over the life of the car you may save $10 in fuel costs.

From a purely engineering perspective, it's there, no matter how small the increase is.

[Rubchasertx]

Originally Posted by Wakeuр

Spoilers and fins outside the atmosphere do nothing to increase speed, they do exactly the opposite in fact.

...but they would increase momentum once both reached a fixed speed.........handy if you bump into a smaller starship...

[Wakeup]

You are correct in your scenario...however...

If we assume the same thrust (same engines), for the same amount of time (same fuel supplies), applied to two different objects, one with fins and spoilers and one with neither, then an increase in mass leads to a proportional decrease in maximum velocity. Momentum is velocity times mass. The higher mass object with fins and spoilers will have lower maximum velocity. The lower mass object will have higher maximum velocity. They will both have the exact same maximum momentum. So, in my case, the addition of fins or spoilers outside the atmosphere actually doesn't lead to an increase in momentum...

[BatteriesNotIncluded]

Originally Posted by jbravo_123

I'm not hearing any disagreement that red makes it go faster.

Simply because this is an irrefutable psychological axiom

[oilfieldscum]

Originally Posted by jbravo_123

I'm not hearing any disagreement that red makes it go faster.

One thing it does do is make the vehicle much easier for johnny law to see at distance.

Originally Posted by Wakeuр

:facepalm:

Surrounded I tell you...absolutely surrounded...

Spoilers and fins outside the atmosphere do nothing to increase speed, they do exactly the opposite in fact.

Spoilers mounted on cars increase speed by reducing drag on a given body style. If you're arguing that an incorrectly mounted spoiler just increases drag, I'll agree, any idiot can mount a spoiler sideways to their door and do nothing but add drag, but assuming its correctly designed and mounted, a spoiler increases speed, assuming a constant power. Period. End of story. Can you invent a situation where that is incorrect, sure. Driving 30 mph with a 50 mph tailwind, the spoiler won't do anything but add drag. But let's not be idiotic about it. The sole purpose of a spoiler, front or back, correctly mounted and designed, is to increase speed in the atmosphere by reducing drag.

The reason backyard racers don't spend money on them is because the speed increase is so infinitesimally small as to not be worth any expense. That does not mean that they have zero effect. The only reason we see them on passenger cars is because they look cool, and over the life of the car you may save $10 in fuel costs.

From a purely engineering perspective, it's there, no matter how small the increase is.

Once again it depends on what we are talking about. The devils in the details.

Most factory intalled rear spoilers on sports cars are there for looks alone. They are way too big, not properly designed and thus atucally increase drag.

Race cars use rear spoilers too. In some instances they are not made to reduce drag.

A top fuel dragster has a rear spoiler to increase downforce to help reduce wheelspin. It adds a lot of drag.

Nascar stock cars have rear spoilers too. They are installed to add drag to help limit the speed which the cars achieve for safety reasons.

[Wakeup]

Originally Posted by oilfieldscum

A top fuel dragster has a rear spoiler to increase downforce to help reduce wheelspin. It adds a lot of drag.

That's not a spoiler...this must be the source of both you and DJ's confusion...

If a "spoiler" is adding drag, then it's not a spoiler...it's a piece of sheet metal or plastic designed for a different purpose...

[DEAR_JOHN]

Originally Posted by oilfieldscum

One thing it does do is make the vehicle much easier for johnny law to see at distance.



Once again it depends on what we are talking about. The devils in the details.

Most factory intalled rear spoilers on sports cars are there for looks alone. They are way too big, not properly designed and thus atucally increase drag.

Race cars use rear spoilers too. In some instances they are not made to reduce drag.

A top fuel dragster has a rear spoiler to increase downforce to help reduce wheelspin. It adds a lot of drag.

Nascar stock cars have rear spoilers too. They are installed to add drag to help limit the speed which the cars achieve for safety reasons.

wakeup is just being wakeup. He and I are saying the same thing, but he's taking off to another tangent to make him look smarter than others.

For 99% of street legal cars that run the quarter mile spoilers (or whatever wakeup calls them) don't do any good at all. Plus they add weight, which takes time off the quarter mile, even thought the weight is minimal.

Actually weather has more affect on quarter mile times than any 'spoiler' does. The 12.5 car you have in August with DA of over 2500 is a 12.2 car in February with the DA of -1500. If the weather is the same, the 12.5 car in Colorado is a 12.1 car at a track close to sea level. That 12.5 car with poor track prep is a 12.2 car next door, same date, same time with great track prep.

There are a lot of things that can affect how fast the same exact car is. In this context, the talk about 'spoilers' isn't important at all.

[Lexieinhouston]

I think we should work up the "Free Brooke Wild" T's and then use that money for the party and fun, because it's around July 4th! Oh yeah, formally overweight, asshole bullies not welcomed.




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[redalloy62]

Yea, I went to see her *B4 she rolled out yesterday.I guess I contributed to commissary, I went in for the Massage... very good. Will post review. Nothing out of the norm LMT..I went in to get "Grandfathered"- for the Summer. Good rate /Special , pre Jail

[inctown]

I was just thinking if Brooke posted on an illegal street racing board that she had been arrested for providing would they go on for page after page about how stupid she is for providing?