What if anything could provoke you into taking your own life?.

[Sa_artman]

USA Today Article:

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/...il-spill_N.htm

Excerpt:

'Last time I saw him'
Wednesday morning, Kruse rose first and dressed. Tracy got up for a few minutes, meeting her husband in the kitchen.
"He was just standing there, bent over the counter with his face in his hands," she said. "He was just leaning on the counter, and I could see the wheels of worry turning in his head."
Tracy said little, then returned to bed to catch up on sleep. Minutes later, her husband was at her bedside.
"He was just patting my head, and he said, 'I'm about to leave,' and then Allen said, 'It's just all madness, Tracy.'"
Those were the last words she'd hear him say.
"I told him everything would be all right. I said, 'Don't worry, Allen. It will all work out, honey.' "
Kruse kissed his wife, looked in on the boys, and climbed into his Ford F-250.
"That was the last time I saw him," she said.
She had no thought that he would take his own life.

I feel for them. What gets me is the kids though. To leave a pair of young teens without a father...must have been some real demons going in that head. I'll leave the BP politics out of it. That's a whole different thread.

[Secret_Amore]

The fear of Being alone. that's pushed me to the edge a few times. seems stupid but I don't want to be alone.

[John Bull]

Nothing save the greatest of pain with no access to pills etc.

[Marcus Aurelius]

One of my sons tried to commit suicide about 20 feet in front of me years ago.
It's a long story filled with pain and miracles.
I've come to understand both sides.

[DickEmDown]

Originally Posted by Katy Alexander

So, I guess my question is do you ever think that there is a good reason to take your own life?

Uh...NO

Originally Posted by Katy Alexander

...and what would justify a good reason?

There is NEVER a good reason for that...your situation could always be worse than it is.

"Man up" and deal with the cards life has dealt you because more times than not, the person most responsible for the situation you're in is well....YOU!





Oh, just my two cents

[Katy Alexander]

Wow it feels like a lifetime ago since I first posted this thread. I am not even human anymore....Now I am a rabbit named Katy lol

Originally Posted by Secret_Amore

The fear of Being alone. that's pushed me to the edge a few times. seems stupid but I don't want to be alone.

There is nothing stupid about fearing being alone. I think that despite it all we are social creatures, so to feel completely isolated from others would be hard.I do feel that there is a difference between living alone, and being alone. You can live alone, but as long as you have good friends you will not feel isolated.

If you are starting over in a new area, or even with a new life, it can feel lonely at first, but you may find that if you are out doing the things that make you happy people are more likely to feel naturally drawn to you.Situations like loneliness are often very temporary, if you can just hang in there long enough to get to the other side.

Originally Posted by DickEmDown

Uh...NO

There is NEVER a good reason for that...your situation could always be worse than it is.

"Man up" and deal with the cards life has dealt you because more times than not, the person most responsible for the situation you're in is well....YOU!





Oh, just my two cents

In general I would agree with you, but in more extreme situations I do believe that suicide can be a reasonable option.For some people who are dealing with long term chronic pain (physical or emotional), I believe if there really is no quality of life left for them they should have every right to decide when to end it without judgement.

My friend was not in physical pain, but he was being put in a situation where had he stayed around he would have had no reason to keep going..I believe his back was against the wall, and he made the best choice he could under the circumstances.This was an older, religous, person who never harmed anyone. He simply knew when it was time to get out.

Some argue that is weakness, but in some situations it may actually be the ultimate act of strength.

[Guest121613]

I was a bit odd as a kid, my mother was mentally ill, and my father was an alchoholic. Being odd, I was bullied quite a bit.

I was fortunate to have neighbors that took to me to a church. Where I discovered my spirituality, and developed an understanding about my self that has made all the difference in my life. I am a "God" person.

Another kid I went to school with that was also bullied, call me one evening, and said he was going to commit suicide. I asked him why? He said his father hated him, his mother moved out, and of course no one liked him at school. I can never really know if he would have or not, or if was just needed a hand.

I shared with him what I knew about God, and that God loved him. It was about an hour or more. It was 9th or 10th grade. Fortunatley, I am facebook friends with him today. He has children too. You can see he has a warm relationship with his family.

I think people ultimatly need to be loved in someway. I am not meaning sexual, but in the brotherly type sense, most importantly know they are valued as human being. (Also important is an understanding of spirituality.)

It is estimated that 8 million people in america consider suicide, which means they are hurting bad on the inside. I know of one provider who was close, and heard of another who is no longer with us, and I have only been in the hobby 2-3 years now.

I am sure someone seriously considering suicide has read this thread, and I urge them to seek counseling. Lots of on line sources and local community help is also available.

[JONBALLS]

another "respect" thrAD

kill me with boredom

[NinaBrooke]

I am very sorry for your loss. I personally would not commit suicide, but I can understand the tendency to do so. About ten years ago I found my neighbour - a young and successful student aged 22 - hanged himself. Me and his roommate found him. His roommate came into my apartment, green in the face, did not mention anything and just told me to please look in his apartment. I had no idea what happened, and when he heard me screaming, he told me later , that this was the point he knew, that what he saw was true and he was not dreaming. We were all in shock, called emergency and the police, but it was - hours - too late.
It was a shock for everyone, and no one really could understand why he would do that. He has been planning that for some time, as his girlfriend found out later. He planned the exact time, took care of his finances and - well. Some people come into this life with less happiness, some come into this life and happiness is drawn from them by circumstances. And some are lucky. I don`t think committing suicide is something that cannot be comprehended and felt empathy for, but sometimes it makes me wonder, on how no one notices anything beforehand. That is where the guilt kicks in

[Allure]

I don't think there's a "good reason" to take ones own life. No matter how bad things are....bad times are usually a temporary state of affairs. Death is permanent.......and so are the damaged lives of those who are left to deal with the devastation after someone has taken their own life.

A`

[Guest111016]

I've had two people close to me commit suicide. In an attempt to gain understanding, I have done a lot of research, reading and have attended support groups. Here's what I came away with:

In some cultures, suicide is considered a viable option if one is no longer able to contribute to society or is in too much pain to have any quality of life. In ours, it is not, to say the least. Understanding that this is a cultivated response has helped me deal with the judgment that some will pass on the situation.

Doing some research about the grieving process really helped me. In both cases, the last conversation that I had with them had been negative. In one case, the family and his best friend placed direct blame on my shoulders. This was particularly difficult ad I was already feeling the very normal feelings of guilt that accompany the situation. I had also unwittingly helped this person gain access to the supplies that he needed to carry out his plan. Educating myself about the steps of grief helped me gain understanding and allowed me to assure myself that my feelings were normal and healthy in moments when I felt like I was losing my mind.

People who commit suicide suffered from despair and emotional pain so overwhelming that they would do anything to make it stop. They generally are victims of depression and deserve our compassion.

It is incredibly difficult to be a suicide survivor. It does get better over time. In the meanwhile, I suggest that thou buttress yourself with family and friends. You may find support groups to be helpful, as did I. A simple Google search should help you find one in your area.

I wish you the best. Remember that you are not alone.

[zerodahero]

We are all going to die eventually,so what is the point of taking your own life? Mortality will eventually "kill" you.
Sure life can suck at times. Be a curse instead of a blessing. As I look back, most of my "problems" were not a big deal.
I remember reading a thread on this site about a man born without a penis. Now that is something to be depressed about. Not sure but I doubt I would last through my teens if that was my problem.
Good news about that man is doctors are genitically building him a functioning penis. They should give him a 9 inch monster cock for all the shit he has been through. Afterall he deserves one.

[gulflover]

I've heard suicide described as "a permanent solution to a temporary problem." So to me it would only be if there were zero quality of life with no hope of improvement, i.e. an incurable mortal illness. And even then I've decided I'll just take a bunch of drugs and trip the light fantastic on my way out.

[proudoftexas]

I've learned everything I needed to know about suicide from porn.

The Devil in Miss Jones is a morality tale about how the sin of suicide isn't killing yourself --- it's the pain you cause the people you left behind.

Okay, that's not completely true, but it seemed pithy.

My experience with people who are suicidal is that at the end of the day it's about self loathing. They don't feel like they deserve to live, or they feel like their problems are insurmountable, or they're just tired of it all. I don't have any acquaintance with tortured prisoners, or even terminally ill people who want to end it for quality of life purposes.

But for people who feel like they're at the end of the rope, I always try to talk to them about their strengths, what they have to give to this world, what they've already given, and will be able to in the future. I also try to get them in a place where they're DOING something. Talking can help for a brief period of time, but belief doesn't lead to action as much as action leads to belief.

If I can get them in a place where they're actually doing something to feel productive, or feel like they're making some kind of progress, no matter how little it feels like it is, I'll feel like I've got them successfully turned around. To the extent I can, anyway.

It's not where we are, it's where we're going that makes the difference. Even for people in extreme pain, or where their quality of life is shit, if they can just feel like it's going to get better, that can make all the difference in the world. But sometimes that's not the case, or they're so far down in the well it FEELS like it's never going to get better.

It's also important to be able to tell the difference between who you can help and who you can't.

There's a famous story in the Bible called the Prodigal Son, about a son who demands his inheritance early then goes out and wastes it. After hitting rock bottom he returns to his Dad ashamed and humiliated, but instead of being beaten down some more, the Dad arranges a welcome home feast.

The story is supposed to be about God's unconditional love. And it is, I guess.

But for me the story is about how the Dad didn't go out searching for his son to bring him home, or care for him, or pick him up out of his struggles. At the end of the day the son had to finally come to the realization that he'd hit rock bottom, and had to change something. I can't want someone to change more than they want to change. That's like teaching a pig to sing. "It wastes your time and it annoys the pig.”

[Uncle Han]

Originally Posted by ninasastri

I am very sorry for your loss. I personally would not commit suicide, but I can understand the tendency to do so. About ten years ago I found my neighbour - a young and successful student aged 22 - hanged himself. Me and his roommate found him. His roommate came into my apartment, green in the face, did not mention anything and just told me to please look in his apartment. I had no idea what happened, and when he heard me screaming, he told me later , that this was the point he knew, that what he saw was true and he was not dreaming. We were all in shock, called emergency and the police, but it was - hours - too late.
It was a shock for everyone, and no one really could understand why he would do that. He has been planning that for some time, as his girlfriend found out later. He planned the exact time, took care of his finances and - well. Some people come into this life with less happiness, some come into this life and happiness is drawn from them by circumstances. And some are lucky. I don`t think committing suicide is something that cannot be comprehended and felt empathy for, but sometimes it makes me wonder, on how no one notices anything beforehand. That is where the guilt kicks in

Very inconsiderate of the roommate to let you see that without disclosure.