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[bambino]

Originally Posted by VerySkeptical

You're still missing the point. The VAERS data you can see is "raw" data. I've posted the FDA disclaimer twice now concerning the use of their data.

Your claims about the covid vaccine being more deadly than any other virus vaccine are completely unfounded. The VAERS data you claim is proof, isn't.

Maybe 3 times is the charm.

https://vaers.hhs.gov/data.html
FDA disclaimer.

VAERS accepts reports of adverse events and reactions that occur following vaccination. Healthcare providers, vaccine manufacturers, and the public can submit reports to the system. While very important in monitoring vaccine safety, VAERS reports alone cannot be used to determine if a vaccine caused or contributed to an adverse event or illness. The reports may contain information that is incomplete, inaccurate, coincidental, or unverifiable. In large part, reports to VAERS are voluntary, which means they are subject to biases. This creates specific limitations on how the data can be used scientifically. Data from VAERS reports should always be interpreted with these limitations in mind.

Here is a link showing deaths from the vaccine.

https://covid-101.org/science/how-ma...ne-in-the-u-s/

I'm not an expert but you don't need to be one to link to real experts. You don't need to be an expert to read the FDA website. It is normal person friendly.

You’re missing the point. I was comparing VAERS data to other VEARS data. So it’s an apples to apples comparison. The same disclaimer. So, you’re denying that the vaccines are not FDA approved? It’s labeled as “experimental”. No disclaimer on that Eh? Are you denying that it’s impossible to die or get serious side effects from the vaccine? Are you denying that you can’t contract/ transmit COVID while fully vaccinated? I’ll take my chances without the vaccine. I choose not to partake in an experiment. As of now, that’s my choice. Maybe that’s how a “normal” person thinks. But it seems that our government is heading towards forced vaccinations. One way or another. If that happens, America is done. The Cubans wouldn’t want to come here. They have Tyranny already.

[reddog1951]

Here we go back to the labeling thing as misdirection. Paranoia isn't normal however you label it, neither is fomenting it.

[SpeedRacerXXX]

Originally Posted by bambino

You’re missing the point. I was comparing VAERS data to other VEARS data. So it’s an apples to apples comparison. The same disclaimer. So, you’re denying that the vaccines are not FDA approved? It’s labeled as “experimental”. No disclaimer on that Eh? Are you denying that it’s impossible to die or get serious side effects from the vaccine? Are you denying that you can’t contract/ transmit COVID while fully vaccinated? I’ll take my chances without the vaccine. I choose not to partake in an experiment. As of now, that’s my choice. Maybe that’s how a “normal” person thinks. But it seems that our government is heading towards forced vaccinations. One way or another. If that happens, America is done. The Cubans wouldn’t want to come here. They have Tyranny already.

First, it is true that FDA final approval of the vaccines has not happened as of today. It usually takes about 6 months to gain approval for such vaccines and Pfizer submitted for full approval on May 7 and Moderna on June 1. The FDA realizes the importance of the vaccine and is moving as fast as possible to final approvement.

No it is not impossible to get side effects from the vaccine. Serious side affects are VERY uncommon and few deaths have been attributed to the vaccines. People who have gotten the vaccine have died. There is no evidence that the vaccine caused their deaths other than the 3 mentioned in the article below.

"The vaccines have not been shown to cause death, autoimmune diseases, prion diseases or neurodegenerative diseases, or sudden infant death syndrome."

https://www.politifact.com/article/2...ion-swirling-/

How do we know if someone dies after getting a vaccine?

The US Food and Drug Administration (FDA) requires vaccination providers to report any death after COVID-19 vaccination to the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS). When these reports are received, doctors from CDC and FDA review death certificates, autopsies, and medical records to understand what happened with each person.

How many people have died after getting a vaccine?

Between December 2020 and July 19th, 2021, VAERS received 6,207 reports of death (0.0018% of doses) among people who got a vaccine, but this does not mean the vaccine caused these deaths. Doctors and safety monitors carefully review the details of each case to see if it might be linked to the vaccine. There are three deaths that appear to be linked to blood clots that occurred after people got the J&J vaccine. Since we now know how to correctly treat people who develop these blood clots, future deaths related to this very rare side effect can be prevented.

After careful review of the additional data, doctors have decided that there is no evidence at all that the vaccines contributed to the other patient deaths. Nonetheless, the CDC and FDA will continue to investigate every single report of death (and other adverse events) reported to VAERS.

https://covid-101.org/science/how-ma...ne-in-the-u-s/

I got my shots in January and hope to get a booster shot before leaving the U.S. on a 6 week trip outside the U.S. later this year. To you and others who have made the decision to not get the vaccine, I say, and truly mean it, best of luck with your decision.

[Levianon17]

Originally Posted by VerySkeptical

You stop the "next variant" by eliminating the virus that produces the variants. As long as there are hosts with the virus, there will be mutations and new variants. The fewer the hosts, the fewer the variants.

There already are at least 4 variants (of the covid-19). When they are identified, the CDC researches the differences between the variants (the "Delta" version is thought to spread more easily) and try to determine if the current vaccine will be effective against the new variant (if not they may determine we need a booster of some type). Or you may need a whole new vaccine. It depends on the mutation.

"Viruses constantly change through mutation, and new variants of a virus are expected to occur. Sometimes new variants emerge and disappear. Other times, new variants persist. Multiple variants of the virus that causes COVID-1have been documented in the United States and globally during this pandemic."

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019...s/variant.html

The point is, if everybody were vaccinated (unlikely), and the vaccine was 100% effective (also unlikely), there would be no place for the covid virus to mutate to new variants (this explanation should make sense to those who believe the lab theory of origin since the virus doesn't occur in nature).

The more people that are vaccinated, the fewer potential hosts, to house the virus, and fewer chances for the virus to mutate.
That's where "herd immunity" comes in.

If you have 100 cows and 90 have been vaccinated or had the virus, you have 10 that might catch the virus. Those 10 are the only place the virus can mutate (for example purposes no new variants can enter this farm). It doesn't eliminate the chance of a mutation but it greatly reduces the odds. The chances of a single cow mutating the virus (to a vaccine resistant strain) and passing it on to the rest of the herd are low.
The variants we see now are the results of numerous millions of hosts.

To sum up, variants are inevitable. The more time, the more possibilities of a variant that the vaccine won't be effective against.

That's how the vaccine now, keeps future variants from occurring.

That all sounds good on Paper. In reality though it doesn't really work that way.

[SpeedRacerXXX]

Originally Posted by Levianon17

That all sounds good on Paper. In reality though it doesn't really work that way.

What part of the article do you disagree with?

[bambino]

I wish everyone luck too. The bottom line is, the government, nor anyone else, can mandate health care choices. Especially for experimental treatments or vaccines. Hopefully, this country doesn’t go down that path.

[rexdutchman]

Dr Blaylock .com wellness report ,

Problem I have ( my opinion) is The lying and cover up of facts ( both ways) on the following big lies
1) covid the real threat
2) the dangers of the "vaccine"
3) the real numbers
4) fact lockdowns and masks did well little
5) pharma and dr donnies nih/who money money money
I know never gonna happen

[bambino]

Originally Posted by reddog1951

Here we go back to the labeling thing as misdirection. Paranoia isn't normal however you label it, neither is fomenting it.

The only people that are fomenting paranoia is the government.

[Strokey_McDingDong]

I've been self quarantined this entire year. You vaccinated people are super spreaders. I should get a trophy. What do I need a vaccine for???

[Levianon17]

Originally Posted by SpeedRacerXXX

What part of the article do you disagree with?

None of it because we don't live in a perfect world. We still have people who get vaccinated who continue to live crappy lives, contract Covid and spread it.

[bambino]

Moderna hasn’t submitted all the data required by the FDA as of 6/12.


https://www.statnews.com/2021/07/12/...for-hesitancy/

[dilbert firestorm]

here's the thing with vaccines.


the method of creating these vaccines (Moderna, Pfizer, J&J) is new and have been around 10 years. they're using gene-editing techniques to create this vaccine which is way different from how they create vaccines the old way.


theres some question about how safe these gene-edited vaccines are as they are experimental.


old style vaccines have been around about 150 as compared to new style vaccines which have been around 10 years. at least, there is a track record to compare to.

[winn dixie]

^^^^^^^^^^

Exactly

Spot on

[Gjracer]

Trump made the Vaccines possible give him credit. Look at the Chinese vaccine and how horrible it is.

[winn dixie]

Yes
Warp Speed was a huge success

The roll-out by the States is where it got slowed