Tariff Man and his tariff plan cause market plunges

[lustylad]

Originally Posted by eyecu2

Cogent replies are always appreciated.

Agreed. Please try it sometime. Save your "rancor and repugnance" for those other boards.

[HDGristle]

Not really, but I do appreciate the bump.

Enjoy the reading. We both know you should be rooting for the IEEPA tariffs to be enjoined.
https://taxfoundation.org/research/a...ffs-trade-war/

[lustylad]

Originally Posted by HDGristle

Not really, but I do appreciate the bump...

You fail again as an economist. Are the trade and GDP data incorrect? Please explain. Is anyone in this forum capable of an intelligent critique?

It would be nice to move the conversation forward once in a while.

[jayzee43]

Oh, the irony

[lustylad]

Not really, but Gristle appreciates the bump... I don't. I prefer substance.

[HDGristle]

Originally Posted by lustylad

You fail again as an economist. Are the trade and GDP data incorrect? Please explain. Is anyone in this forum capable of an intelligent critique?

It would be nice to move the conversation forward once in a while.

I shared a link chock full of good information with you that should lead to a logical conclusion. I can tell by your response that you didn't do the reading.

You'll quickly see the counterpoints and negative impacts within 4 min max if you can connect the dots. We aren't going to rely solely on the Atlanta Fed estimates alone, especially when they bake in the IEEPA and what I provided shows the breakdowns so the impacts can be separated, valued poster.

One would think that someone wishing an cogent, intelligent conversation would have noticed that. And one would think that same person would have shown a capacity to utilize the IEEPA vs 232's data Since you haven't... well. Empirically. Polemically. Logically. Substantially.

Your post lost a lot of luster when we saw a fresh data dump the very next day.

[HDGristle]

https://www.cnn.com/2026/01/16/polit...and-opposition

Tariffman is losing his marbles

[eyecu2]

The world has found the tariff clattering is just another round of Dumb Donald being a felonious dufus.

Not gonna happen

[jayzee43]

Originally Posted by eyecu2

The world has found the tariff clattering is just another round of dumb donald being a felonious dufus.

Not gonna happen

Hence... T.A.C.O. 🌮

[HDGristle]

https://www.cnn.com/2026/01/20/inves...ions-greenland

Who could have predicted a plunge when you mix Tariffman's Greenland obsession with fresh tariff tantrums that haven't been TACO'd yet?

[jayzee43]

Originally Posted by HDGristle

https://www.cnn.com/2026/01/20/inves...ions-greenland

Who could have predicted a plunge when you mix Tariffman's Greenland obsession with fresh tariff tantrums that haven't been TACO'd yet?

It's all so stupid. And embarrassing. Not to mention, completely unnecessary.

[eyecu2]

Originally Posted by HDGristle

https://www.cnn.com/2026/01/20/inves...ions-greenland

Who could have predicted a plunge when you mix Tariffman's Greenland obsession with fresh tariff tantrums that haven't been TACO'd yet?

Honestly, I'm sure someone in this Administration is profiting hugely off of the wranglings and musings of every Trump application of tariffs. I want to see who's making the money on this advance knowledge of Trump's claims of tariffs. The market needs stability and the only thing Donald offers is shooting holes in the bottom of the boat

[txdot-guy]

Originally Posted by lustylad

Thanks, Gristle. Looks like the tariffs may also be starting to work... for the US.

"[I]The U.S. goods and services trade deficit saw a significant drop, shrinking by approximately 39% in October 2025, the first month of Q4, reaching its lowest level since 2009, driven by surging exports and falling imports, especially pharmaceuticals and gold, though analysts noted underlying factors like tariffs and inventory cycles. This monthly figure... signals a major shift, boosting Q4 GDP estimates.

Lustylad makes an argument that the US economy is either stable or working better than expected. Unfortunately he leaves out an entirely different point.

What if Trump’s tariffs and chaotic behavior are inhibiting the economy and things would be even better with someone less deranged at the helm.

Tariffs are taxes and taxes tend to inhibit people from spending and borrowing. Especially those at the bottom end of the income curve.

Could things be doing better? I think yes.

[HDGristle]

I have brought that up a few times, actually. With receipts.

[HDGristle]

https://www.axios.com/2026/01/20/ama...dy-jassy-davos

Amazon CEO confirms what we know about the delayed impact. Tariffs are increasing prices as frontloaded inventory wanes.