Climate change .. the SCAM.

[Munchmasterman]

Originally Posted by DSK

Heck, if everything you say is true, I could get a Tesla battery system and by generating my own power, I could go off the grid.

Go buy storable food, freezers, refrigerators, extra ammo and I'm ready for anything!

Thanks Munchmasterman!!!

I would add a wind turbine. Overcast days are frequently windy days.

[Munchmasterman]

Originally Posted by IIFFOFRDB

0zombies wasted our money and time. Go to the article for the links

http://www.c3headlines.com/2012/11/g...king-to-f.html

This is chump change in the overall budget, Is some of it wasted? Of course.

Let's talk real money. Can you say "Joint Strike Fighter"? Lockheed's possible last big grab at manned aircraft. Lots of virtual work going for controlling fighter drones
Projected at $1.7 Trillion (1,700,000,000,000) and the number goes up every month.

[The_Waco_Kid]

Originally Posted by Munchmasterman

This is chump change in the overall budget, Is some of it wasted? Of course.

Let's talk real money. Can you say "Joint Strike Fighter"? Lockheed's possible last big grab at manned aircraft. Lots of virtual work going for controlling fighter drones
Projected at $1.7 Trillion (1,700,000,000,000) and the number goes up every month.

stay on topic. we need advanced weapons to crush them Russkies and Chinese commies. it's the American way

[dilbert firestorm]

Originally Posted by The_Waco_Kid

stay on topic. we need advanced weapons to crush them Russkies and Chinese commies. it's the American way

yeah but its getting too expensive and common sense went out the window when the AF generals got too fancy with their wishlist.

the procurement system is corrupt and doesn't really bring any security.

[IIFFOFRDB]

"Tesla would be out of business in a month without government intervention"

[Munchmasterman]

Originally Posted by The_Waco_Kid

stay on topic. we need advanced weapons to crush them Russkies and Chinese commies. it's the American way

The United State's military has 13444 total aircraft.

China and Russia have 6539 together.

This includes all helicopters, transports, fixed wing attack, fighters/interceptors, etc,

[The_Waco_Kid]

Originally Posted by Munchmasterman

The United State's military has 13444 total aircraft.

China and Russia have 6539 together.

This includes all helicopters, transports, fixed wing attack, fighters/interceptors, etc,

the American hegemony needs the most advanced weapons systems we can develop. how else can we rule the universe under Emperor Donald the first?

[DSK]

Originally Posted by Munchmasterman

The United State's military has 13444 total aircraft.

China and Russia have 6539 together.

This includes all helicopters, transports, fixed wing attack, fighters/interceptors, etc,

Shit man, if we have them that outnumbered maybe we should quit wasting it all on the foreign wars and help our own homeless, largely minority population.

[IIFFOFRDB]

0zombies just got Bitchslapped...

Go to here and read the links...
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2016/06/...limate-change/

An Open Letter to the #ExxonKnew #RICO20 Attorneys General about Climate Change

Anthony Watts / 9 hours ago June 10, 2016

From the Cornwall Alliance for the Stewardship of Creation:

Dear Attorneys General,

You’re not stupid. Stupid people don’t graduate from law school.

Neither are you generally ignorant. You know lots of law.

So, U.S. Attorney General Loretta Lynch and members of Attorneys General United for Clean Power, take no offense when I tell you that your intent to investigate and potentially prosecute, civilly or criminally, corporations, think tanks, and individuals for fraud, under RICO (Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations Act) or otherwise, because they question the causes, magnitude, risks, and benefits of global warming, and best responses to it, is a dead giveaway that you’re ignorant about climate science and related climate and energy policy.But the day of the “Renaissance man,” vastly learned across all fields of knowledge, is long gone. All intelligent and learned people are ignorant about some things.

I’ve thought this ever since you first went public, but an email from Ed Maibach, Professor in the Department of Communications and Director of the Center for Climate Change Communication at George Mason University (GMU), to Jagadish Shukla, Professor of Climate Dynamics and president of the Center for Ocean-Land-Atmosphere Studies and the Institute of Global Environment and Society at GMU, dated July 22, 2015, ironically makes the point:

I had breakfast with David Michaels today. He is currently the Director of the Occupational Health and Safety Administration (in the US Department of Labor), and a former environmental health colleague of mine at George Washington University. He is an expert in the case against the tobacco industry.

His [sic] feels the odds of the DOJ [Department of Justice] pursuing this case against [the fossil fuel] industry are slim to none, because there are no easily quantifiable [health care] costs that the government can seek reimbursement for.

That said, I have no objection to our sending a letter to the President, our Maryland Senators and members of Congress …, with a cc to Senator [Sheldon] Whitehouse [D-RI], asking them to support Senator Whitehouse’s call for a RICO investigation.

That’s ironic because it comes from one of the 20 signers of Shukla’s infamous letter to AG Lynch and the head of the White House Office of Science and Technology Policy urging a RICO investigation similar to that against tobacco companies in the 1990s.

The ironies of Maibach’s email are obvious enough. He cites an expert who thinks the odds of DOJ’s acting “are slim to none,” yet signs a letter asking DOJ to do it. He knows why the odds are slim: “because there are no easily quantifiable … costs that the government can seek reimbursement for.” Yet he signs a letter saying, “We are now at high risk of seriously destabilizing the Earth’s climate and irreparably harming people around the world.”

But the chief irony I have in mind is that you, attorneys general—none of whom, presumably, is an expert in climate science or ecological biology or the economics and engineering of energy or any of the many other fields relevant to the controversy—have launched precisely the action Maibach reported Michaels said DOJ wouldn’t launch for lack of easily quantifiable costs.

Now, why would Michaels have said there were no easily quantifiable costs?

Because, unlike in the case of tobacco’s health risks, there are innumerable and enormous holes in the case (not for human contribution to global warming but) for manmade global warming dangerous enough to justify spending trillions of dollars reinventing the world’s energy system to mitigate it, particularly when competing use of those trillions might bring far greater benefit.

And you, intelligent and learned all, are ignorant of those enormous holes.

It’s not entirely your fault. Journalists have been delinquent in reporting them. Climate alarmists have worked hard to deprive dissenters of research funds, jobs, and publication while hiding their own scientific misconduct. And it is ever so much easier to tell a scary story to motivate the public than to unpack the gory details with all their uncertainties.

So here are a few recommendations for you to remedy your ignorance:

Start by getting a grasp of the basic science of climate change by reading former Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) Chairman Sir John Houghton’sGlobal Warming: The Complete Briefing.

Then, to learn some of the reasons for doubting Houghton’s somewhat alarmist views, read The Great Global Warming Blunder: How Mother Nature Fooled the World’s Top Climate Scientists, by equally well-qualified climate scientist Roy W. Spencer.

If you’re brave, get into the weeds of why the IPCC said in its Third Assessment Report, “The climate system is a coupled non-linear chaotic system, and therefore the long-term prediction of future climate states is not possible” (emphasis added), by reading Taken By Storm: The Troubled Science, Policy and Politics of Global Warming, by applied mathematician Christopher Essex and environmental economist and statistician Ross McKitrick. You’ve probably never heard of the Navier-Stokes equation, but it is unsolved (and a million-dollar prize awaits anyone who solves it), yet accurate long-term prediction of climate requires its solution.

Go beyond journalists’ breathless reports based on the biased and unrepresentative Summary for Policymakers and actually read the (mostly very good) thousands of pages of the main texts of the Fifth Assessment Report of the IPCC (including Working Group 3, whose predictions indicate countries poorest today are better off under warmer than cooler scenarios because in their models economic growth fueled by fossil fuels drives the warming). In them you’ll discover far more uncertainty than the SPM reveals.

Read the thousands of pages of the competing reports from the Nongovernmental [hence less politicized] International Panel on Climate Change.
Get acquainted with the meaning of “climate sensitivity” and why estimates of it—and consequently of all effects of global warming driven by human emissions of CO2 and other deceptively named “greenhouse gases”—have been declining over the years.
Learn a little about “energy density” and “power density” and how they relate to questions about the engineering and costs of various energy sources from Robert Bryce’s Power Hungry: The Myths of “Green” Energy and the Real Fuels of the Futureand then about the costs of replacing fossil fuels as the source of roughly 85% of all the world’s energy with wind, solar, and other “renewable” options.
If you do these things, I don’t guarantee you’ll become skeptical of dangerous manmade global warming, but I do expect you’ll understand—because you’re smart—that the issues are far more complex than you thought, and certainly far too complex to be adjudicated in a court of law that needs to find “easily quantifiable costs” to justify a ruling.

You’ll also learn that honest people intelligent as yourselves—and maybe better informed—can disagree about the causes, magnitude, risks, and benefits of global warming, and best responses to it, without being mafia bosses. You’ll discover that what motivates us is far more our concern not to trap billions of people in poverty by denying them access to the abundant, reliable, affordable energy indispensable to lifting and keeping any society out of poverty.

And then maybe, too—before Congress takes you to the woodshed—you’ll decide to back off your potentially felonious conspiracy to “injure, oppress, threaten, or intimidate any person … in the free exercise or enjoyment of any right or privilege secured to him by the Constitution or laws of the United States, or because of his having so exercised the same,” for which you could be fined or imprisoned up to ten years, or both (18 U.S.C. 241).

[i'va biggen]

https://www.yahoo.com/news/researche...134512197.html

[The_Waco_Kid]

who fucking asked you chimp? so they can make rocks out of nothing? big deal about nothing

[Munchmasterman]

Wrong again. From your article.

Because, unlike in the case of tobacco’s health risks, there are innumerable and enormous holes in the case (not for human contribution to global warming but) for manmade global warming dangerous enough to justify spending trillions of dollars reinventing the world’s energy system to mitigate it, particularly when competing use
of those trillions might bring far greater benefit.
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Which means he admits humans effect climate. He disagrees with the amount and says prosecution is unlikely and not provable. In other words, not a scam. It is real. We disagree on the amount. And because there are so many estimates, it make sense to look into it. Right?
So if by bitchslapped you mean someone had their position destroyed, who would that be? Those who say t's real? Or those who say it's a scam?

Bitchslappee..
QUOTE=IIFFOFRDB;1058256661]0zombies just got Bitchslapped...

Go to here and read the links...
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2016/06/...limate-change/[/QUOTE]

[Munchmasterman]

Originally Posted by The_Waco_Kid

who fucking asked you chimp? so they can make rocks out of nothing? big deal about nothing

Stop trying to put your limitations on everybody else.
Yeah, we know you're sensitive about your lack of curiosity and you resent people who want more information than you. Most people understand that CO2 is a part of this discussion. Too much or too little? Who knows? But we do know that as a greenhouse gas it is definitely part of the topic. So grow up.

Or would you rather sit at the kids table with he-be-a-douche-bag and gay rey?

[i'va biggen]

Originally Posted by Munchmasterman

Stop trying to put your limitations on everybody else.
Yeah, we know you're sensitive about your lack of curiosity and you resent people who want more information than you. Most people understand that CO2 is a part of this discussion. Too much or too little? Who knows? But we do know that as a greenhouse gas it is definitely part of the topic. So grow up.

Or would you rather sit at the kids table with he-be-a-douche-bag and gay rey?

Wacco is a expert on spray cans, and paper sacks. It is why he is limited now.

[Munchmasterman]

Originally Posted by i'va biggen

Wacco is a expert on spray cans, and paper sacks. It is why he is limited now.

I would say highly experienced. If he were an expert he would have little to no experience and a much broader outlook.

Or we can just acknowledge he's a prick, cut our losses, and move on.

You can't save everybody.